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[JEMEDAOME2]

suntzuxi wrote...

I really do not like how EA/Bioware handles business. Why develop a character so sensitive in the lore and make it optional.

Because they know that longtime fans like me  will buy it 

If somone was standing out in the streets selling  bags of  chocolets  for a £1(insert your prefurred currency here) chances are some people would buy a few bags 

[N7Infernox]

Strike what I said earlier about the dlc weapon;
-it's probably that origin shotgun
- I HOPE that it is the N7 Edition arsenal pack

Modifié par N7Infernox, 22 février 2012 - 11:09 .

[Atakuma]

I hope this game fails, I really do. Leeching off your fanbase like this is disgusting.

Modifié par Atakuma, 22 février 2012 - 11:10 .

[Yuoaman]

I'm confused as to why Bioware created this thread if they aren't going to address our concerns...

[AVPen]

Michael Gamble wrote...

- “From Ashes” includes the Prothean squad mate, an adventure on Eden Prime, a new weapon, and an alternate appearance for every squad mate. Note that these alternate appearances are in addition to the ones already advertised in the CE.

So, my question is: Are these new AA for all the squadmates already included in the CE or does the CE only get the AA already previously shown for it (the ones for Kaidan, Ashley, Vega, and Liara)? 

Modifié par AVPen, 22 février 2012 - 11:10 .

[DJBare]

Genshie wrote...
Nope it is because of one youtuber who so happens to be really damn popular. I like him too but he is clearly flustered in this video and is missing out on alot of information and has already made huge assumptions toward ME3. 

And this is where marketing is to blame for creating the confusion, sheesh!, everyone knows the tiniest error can explode on the internet, I certainly don't blame TB for his confusion, up until today I was totally bloody confused!

[LinksOcarina]

Redzhül wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Redzhül wrote...

Amikae wrote...

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

Complete BS.

Not to mention that the leaked scripts of early Mass Effect 3 dialogue INCLUDES THE PROTHEAN. So obviously it wasnt after the game was completed. Why do you guys at Bioware enjoy lying and alienating your fanbase?

Simple question then. What is the date on the script?

And a better question then, is the leaked script the final product of the entire game? Because things change during development that may have perpetuated such a thing to happen. 

When confronted with some of the bad aspects of the dialouge in the leaked scripts the Bioware devs quickly came forward and said that the leaked script was from an earlier version of the game and did not constitute the release product. Therefore it is reasonable to conclude that the Prothean and all of his dialouge was created during the development cycle and NOT after.

True, but what is said above is something different;  that the content was made by a separate team and finished after the game was completeted. 

This is two different things, because yes it was probably planned during the development cycle, but it doesn't mean it was a part of  the main game at all.

 They just said they began working on it after the main game was finished. So for all we know, this was planned DLC since the beginning, or product that was changed to be DLC because they felt it would make more sense as a bonus in the end for story or pacing reasons. We honestly don't know. 

Anything is really speculation, all we know is that they started integrating the prothean into the game after the main game was completed. So even if the prothean was planned in pre-production, it does not mean it was a focus or a part of the main development cycle, as scripts tend ot be pre-production for any project before they go into development, and sometimes are altered during development for whatever reason.

So I wouldn't call it lying so much as a half-truth, this is probably how the end product was made, but we just don't know how it got there.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 22 février 2012 - 11:12 .

[Daywalker315]

Wardka wrote...

It really feels like EA is trying their hardest to experiment with how much people are willing to put up with, and ME3 is their test bed. Mandatory Origin. Day 1 DLC ripped from the game. Exclusive DLC tacked on to peripherals costing hundreds of dollars, et cetera et cetera.

Yet there are still people who continue to defend these sort of business practices. What will it take until they have had enough?

Yeah, but Origin is only for PC and nobody cares about those elitists anyway (joke).

The DLC isn't necessarily ripped from the game. Obviously it was started months ago but it may very well have been completely finished after the game was being certified. Technically it was supposed to be a bonus for CE buyers, so offering it for $10 to standard owners seems fine to me. As a CE buyer, I wouldn't want them to give a big reason why I got the CE away for free to everyone.

Next, the peripherals. You think this is the first game that's had peripherals branded with a game franchise? CoD, Gears of War, the list is very long. Exclusive DLC ... it's like MP unlocks you could most likely get anyway but you get a boost that way, and the Collector AR from a few of those things. Big deal. If you want the item, get the item, be it the mouse or the headset, or the action figures. Don't buy them acting like you're paying $59 for DLC though. You're buying a controller or a mouse, not DLC. You'll live without a Collector Assault Rifle for MP.

[Gumbeaux Jr]

I am so excited for this content... The CE is going to be pretty damn great... And I got mine for 70 at best buy, what a deal!

[Dionkey]

TheOptimist wrote...

IMO, Lair of the Shadowbroker was a critical mission absolutely everyone who played ME2 should have played.  It ended up DLC.  Just because something is important in the context of the Mass Effect universe doesn't make it essential to the game.  I should know, I played through twice before LotSB was released, and still considered it a complete game. 

  And you're absolutely right, LotSb was the best piece of DLC released for ME2. However, it was released FAR after ME2 came out and was clearly made post-development. This is what DLC should be, not stripped from the game itself. 

TheOptimist wrote... 

Almost all of the DLC for ME2 was planned before the game was finished (for instance, we know Kasumi was initially planned for it and then dropped to DLC), it makes no difference.  At some stage during production, it was decided this character wasn't gonna fit in the game, and it was passed off to another team to be made as DLC.  They are likely to make some money.  He is also wholely unnecessary to the game.  I could just as easily complete it with my existing team and never miss him. 

Who cares if it's planned? As long as it's not finished right near the end of development, it's justified as DLC. This is not. This was finished before development and is a critical part of the game, unlike Kasumi who released a few months later and was not at all critical to the game. People will argue that the Prothean isn't, but if you've read that part of the leak, you would know that he IS.

[saturos2]

Draconis6666 wrote...

saturos2 wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

saturos2 wrote...

ACSSolver wrote...

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

Interesting. I wonder whether this includes a different writing team, too. While I think it will be fascinating to talk to a Prothean, my one concern is that his appearance should be consistent with the rest of the story - the Protheans have been extinct for 50 thousand years, so this guy's appearance needs some good writing.

you actually beleive what he said?

Yes because unlike most people I have some concept of how game design and production actualy works

And me, unlike you, know that Bioware actually put the prothean in the game during developmen and took it out to make it dlc to make a quick buck.

oh you know that for sure? you have documented proof and saw them do it with your own eyes? of course you dont and of course you didnt your pulling crap out of your *** based on your theories on what they did based on other information floating around that doesnt make it true.

i actually have the script, too bad i cant post it here for fear of banning and spoiling.

[El Ejcovero]

 

T-Bone wrote...

It'll most likely be kind of like how Lair of the Shadow Broker worked with ME2, just earlier. The Prothean, like Liara, is probably going to be in the vanilla game for story purposes but only becomes a squad mate with the DLC and thus gains his own mission, like Lair. Seriously, they wouldn't include him in the old scripts if he didn't have a story role and they wouldn't include him at all if he wasn't important: protheans are a big deal!

Also, look at how it's worded in the OP: it says SQUAD MATE, not CHARACTER. The character's there, like Liara in ME2, but is not a squad mate and has no personal mission in the vanilla game. Regardless, I hope you can talk to him on board the Normandy unlike Zaeed or Kasumi.

EDIT: And for the people making a big deal of how he was in the old scripts: games, especially from BioWare, are most likely written long before they are put into production. They could have been brainstorming the idea since the first Mass Effect!

 

Yes, but Lair
of the Shadow Broker was not day one DLC, the issue here is the scumbag move to have content left out of the game to sell as DLC. It is unethical and unacceptable.

Wardka wrote...

It really feels like EA is trying their hardest to experiment with how much people are willing to put up with, and ME3 is their test bed. Mandatory Origin. Day 1 DLC ripped from the game. Exclusive DLC tacked on to peripherals costing hundreds of dollars, et cetera et cetera.

Yet there are still people who continue to defend these sort of business practices. What will it take until they have had enough?

Very much so, evermore the reason why we should draw the line here, there is no going back after this.

[Bocks]

Don't try to tell Bioware they can just get off scot free. They're really just trying to cover up for their clear mistakes. This isn't something new and shocking. Besides, they're actively worsening the industry standards by making DLC even more significant.

[N7Infernox]

Gumbeaux Jr wrote...

I am so excited for this content... The CE is going to be pretty damn great... And I got mine for 70 at best buy, what a deal!

<_<

[PPF65]

^^ BIOWARE!!! Please watch this video all of the way through.

[Darth_Trethon]

Frankly all this complaining is pointless. Those that haven't got the CE should be grateful for the ability to ever obtain this DLC....personally if I was the decision maker in the matter I'd have just left it as a CE exclusive forever and once those run out soon after ME3 is out then you'd be pleading for the ability to buy it to no avail....then THAT would be a real reason to whine.

There is little doubt in my mind that ME3 will unquestionably be the best game ever, even better than KotOR so there should be no complaining at all, it's deffinitely worth it.

All I have to say about all things ME3 related is thank you BioWare....the MP is kind of pointless but whatever it doesn't get in the way of anything, not SP game content or achievements or nothing so ME3 is still perfectly undamaged.

Modifié par Darth_Trethon, 22 février 2012 - 11:14 .

[wolfsite]

Thanks for posting this.  

Again as he said they are making something originally only in the CE available to people who only bought the SE version so you don't have to look for and buy another copy of the game to experience this suplemental content.

It is actually a good gesture as it it much cheaper to get this DLC then find and buy a CE copy for $80 (or more if you have to use E-Bay)

[msmpsn]

Bocks wrote...

"- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification."

Uh-uh. Care to clarify why Jawik appears in the script leaks that happened months ago, then?

Perhaps you don't understand what "completed" means?

[mrbauxjangles]

Look at Adolf Hitler, he treats an entire country like **** but there are still those who go and say "Sure but it's still good value, the trains actually run on time now. He probably just had to do all that evil to fund the train schedules."
Because burning jews and killing handicaps is clearly helping the trains arrive on time

Modifié par mrbauxjangles, 22 février 2012 - 11:12 .

[AxisEvolve]

Yuoaman wrote...

I'm confused as to why Bioware created this thread if they aren't going to address our concerns...

They are trying to ease concerns not directly address them. 

Maybe if we were a bit more polite... Oh wait, that will never happen.

Modifié par AxisEvolve, 22 février 2012 - 11:12 .

[JosephCurwen]

Atakuma wrote...

I hope this game fails, I really do. Leeching off your fanbase like this is disgusting.

It won't make any difference. DA2 sales plummeted once word got around about what it was actually like, but when you compare the tiny development cycle and efforts that went into developing it I'd say it was almost certainly still more profitable that DA:O.

[RiouHotaru]

Redzhül wrote...

Amikae wrote...

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

Complete BS.

Not to mention that the leaked scripts of early Mass Effect 3 dialogue INCLUDES THE PROTHEAN. So obviously it wasnt after the game was completed. Why do you guys at Bioware enjoy lying and alienating your fanbase?

Being in the script doesn't mean he was in the game.  Voice lines are usually easy to do, and what's to say he wasn't removed from the game at any early point?  They DID say the script leak was for an OUTDATED version of the game.

Sucks to be wrong, huh?

[Texaboose]

Wow - I've read most of the complaint/boycott threads, skimmed through most of this thread, read Mike's original post carefully, and conclusion: there's a lot of whiners out there.

From what I gathered, Prothy was going to be something extra for the fans who got in early and pre-ordered the CE.
CE then proceeded to sell out fairly rapidly.
Bioware, to make it up to those who missed out, offers Prothy, something originally reserved for CE, to be available on release day for $10 (so those who didn't order the CE SAVE $10).

Result. People **** and moan.

[Candidate 88766]

Dionkey wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

Dionkey wrote...
You sound like the kind of guy who would get ripped off if someone was selling you something, suddenly charged more, and then you bought it anyway. Here's an example:

Me: Can I get $60 of beef, please.
Clerk: Sure, that's $10 per two pounds.
Me: That's fine, thanks.
Clerk: Oh, the final pound will cost you can extra $10.
Me: What? Why?
Clerk: That's just how it is.

Do you really embrace this kind of logic?

I think you messed up some your numbers there - not following the example.

£8 extra is not a rip-off. Not to me anyway. 

ME3 has a RRP of £50, but is being sold in places for £35. Given how much I played ME1 and ME2, £35 for ME3 is a bargain. If it costs £43 for ME3 plus another character, its still a great deal.

If it was something like a car - where tiny extras run into the hundreds or thousands of pounds - then I would consider that a rip-off. £8 for some extra content for a game I consider to be a bargain isn't something I consider a rip-off.

I don't know how else to put this. Anything can seem like a good deal when you desperately want it, but that doesn't make it a sound deal or justify it's ludicrous price. The game alone is a fine price, but the DLC on top was originally stripped from the game, so you're literally saying, "OKAY, take more money."

In a sense, buying it a new is saying 'take more money' - why buy the game for £35, or $60, when in a few months it'll have dropped dramatically if you buy it second hand? I picked up Human Revolution for £10 about three weeks ago. You're basically paying a whole load of money to have the game as soon as possible, and if you're willing to do that then I don't see the problem you have with paying a little more for more content.

In a few months, you'll probably be able to pick up ME3 for $30 or so. If you think that being able ot play it as soon as it comes out is worth another $30, then why is $10 for more actual game that much of an issue?

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 22 février 2012 - 11:15 .