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[Meesherbeans]

Empiro wrote...

I've been away from the boards, to avoid spoilers and I had no idea the DLC even existed (it wasn't clear on Amazon), and I'd still have bought the CE had they given out the $10 giftcards like for the regular edition. It had quite a few goodies in it.

So no, many people didn't know about this DLC pack, and to many of us, it has come as a great surprise. That's why we're so upset.

I respect that, and even understand. I just disagree. If the DLC comes out and it is shown to be an integral part of the experience, one that without it the game is truly lesser, then maybe I'll sympathize a little more. As it stands now, honestly, people are upset that others who took a leap of faith on the game and paid extra money...are getting a treat for that dedication and advance investment. One that - albeit "shadowed" - was very much so advertised from the get go.

They marketed the CE as having an unannounced DLC character and mission from the GET GO as an option. This wasn't hidden, it isn't a surprise. BioWare didn't randomly drop this on anyone unless you've been living under a rock. If you've even just looked at the CE unboxing advertisement video, there it is in plain text at 1:50. If this were a merc or a Krogan instead of a Prothean, people wouldn't be as pissed as they are now. They're just displeased they aren't getting the shiny character because it's damn cool sounding.

Will I call people whiny brats? Nah. Do I think they're being unreasonably upset over something that was right smack dab in front of their face the whole time? Abso-frickin-lutely. Chill out, people. Calling for everyone to pirate the game is disrespectful to the developers who spent years of their lives pulling all this together. Just because you're pissed the CE people are getting exactly what they were told they were going to get from the start doesn't mean you need to threaten to do something both morally bankrupt and very illegal. People who are waving that flag do deserve a simple, "grow up." Don't like it, don't buy it and shut up. Your lack of money and sales will speak louder than any online rant in a thread.

(And yes, I am well aware of the hypocrisy and borderline irony of that last sentence.)

[nevar00]

Evilelf007 wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

Evilelf007 wrote...

Just because he's a Prothean doesn't mean he is in any way essential to anything! How can a guy who's been completely out of touch of the entire galaxy from a race that completely failed to stop the reapers be suddenly essential now? He will have lore and history not before available, but he will not be vital to anything...

You guys just feel that because he's a Prothean, a member of the race that all of Mass Effect's tech was supposedly based off of (which it wasn't really, it's all based off of Reaper tech), he MUST be important. Get that idea out of your head right now... as he will be more for the fun of the idea more than essential to anything at all. You will be sorely disappointed if that is your expectation.

The fact that there is a living member of a thought-to-be dead species should have been important enough to make it into the main game.  Regardless of if he was going to be important to the plot itself or not.  Regardless of if he's a random soldier or a top scientist.  The Protheans have been built up for 2 games: to have a member of their species turn out to be alive should be a big reveal in the game, similiar to Legion, and not tacked on as DLC.

Now if they thought this was insignificant enough to only include as DLC well, in that case there must be something wrong with Bioware's writing staff.

So again, you are only upset not because of the essentialness of the character, but the coolness of having a Prothean squadmate.  Maybe you should've thought ahead and gone for the CE seeing all the cool stuff it came with... including a free extra squadmate.  That's what I saw and why I pre-ordered my CE copy ASAP!

You are only upset that you are now finding out you have to pay extra for something so cool.  A lot of us already anticipated such a thing and are being rewarded for it!

Again, you only have yourself to blame IMO.

I DID preorder the CE.  I'm still angry that they decided to take something that could (if not butchered) add so much to the lore and be such a big moment in the game and threw it on as an afterthought. 

Or as a "gift" for those of us who preordered the CE just to make everyone else pay for what should be a pretty essential part of the Mass Effect world/experience.

[Shatterhand1701]

Empiro wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I'm pretty sure the number of people boycotting because of this is lower than the number of people who preordered the N7 edition. Losing a few hundred sales is preferable to having to refund thousands of people ten dollars each. Hence, we're sh*tting ourselves if we expect them to make "From Ashes" free.

If they actually make it free for all new copies (and refunded the people who already purchased it), then I'll eat my words. My respect for Bioware/EA will increase tenfold. But let's not be stupid or get our hopes up.

Except that it's not clear AT ALL that such content was included in the CE.

Here's a link to Gamestop's page. Can you point out where it says that "From Ashes" is included?

http://www.gamestop....p&cross=D004975

And please don't say that I should have come to the message board to find out. I was specifically avoiding this board to avoid spoilers (because I spoiled a bunch of ME2 for myself here).

Even so, I still would not rely on Gamestop's website to provide the most accurate of information on the content being included.  Surely you'd be able to find that on other, more reliable sites than theirs.

[Niemack Saarinen]

JJDrakken wrote...
-----  Total Biscuit's thought on the matter, I agree.


JJ

Quit spammin the video all over the forums.

NS.

Modifié par Niemack Saarinen, 23 février 2012 - 06:10 .

[TheOptimist]

Zu Long wrote...

Again, inaccurate. This is more like the guy in front of you buys a big mac meal. Gets a drink and fries with his Big mac. You walk up, order a big mac. When your burger comes out, you ask why you didn't get fries, cause the guy in front of you did, and he got his order in about the same amount of time it took them to produce your big mac. The response? "Yeah, but he bought the meal."

The fact that you did not get fries with your big mac does not change the fact that you got a full and complete big mac, just as delicious as the first guy's. You just didn't get fries, because you didn't pay for them.

Best analogy so far.

[Zu Long]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Zu Long wrote...

*snip*

I don't get how it's unethical to charge us extra money for extra content. Especially when they told us months ago that there would be extra content available for extra money. That seems completely ethical to me.

 

For the most part are correct but its gets shady when you A.) announce the what once  Exclusive Content  to CE is now for everyone and B.) charge everyone  who did not get the  10 bucks..

Here is way because it is very  safe check that to right..unless bioware prints two entirely seperate set of disc- that the content is already on the disc  that those who  get the SE paid for. Now for most comestic  things like customs, guns etc, is what ever... When you start talking about quest,characters etc.. your stepping into a very shady  area. Now you charge one set  customers more for game play content.   

Now your defense can be the CE people  paid the extra tens bucks for - Okay

But the  artbook would run about $5-$7, the soundtrack easily $15-20 dollars... covers the cost of the additional $20 there.. so  essentially   the CE customer still get its for free.  

If its not on the  disc then the whole debate is pointless and I will go on my happy merry way

Well, there's about 600 MB of SOMETHING that isn't on the disc. Maybe its just a dirty limerick repeated over and over in binary code meant to fool us into thinking it's content that wasn't on the disc, but personally I'm guessing it's actual content.

Modifié par Zu Long, 23 février 2012 - 06:10 .

[fropas]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Hey, all of you defending removing the Prothean as it not being that important to the story, would you have said the same thing if they had done that to Legion? Same situation.

Well I payed for a ME2 CE as well, so yes I would support Bioware if they thought SE players needed to pay to access Legion. I would have even payed (10$) extra for Legion because he was my favorite companion--way better than Kasumi or Zaed. But this is strictly hypohetical, so it's easy to say what I "would" have done.

[XDRonin]

Michael Gamble -
So what? is this Bioware apology for keeping it a secret? OKkk!!
- I tell you what, how about as punishment, Bioware releases the game a week earlier and we're good.

[RGFrog]

 

Meesherbeans wrote...

Digifi wrote...

Wait, let me get this straight...we've known for months that the Prothean character existed. CE buyers paid $25 more for that DLC and some trinkets. Since the DLC is $10 the trinkets must be $15 which sounds about right for what the production cost of those trinkets probably are. Either way, CE buyers paid for this DLC, and now a bunch of you are saying you shouldn't have to? If Bioware really knew how to troll they would have made Prothy a CE exclusive. Then we'd see a bunch of threads titled "I'll buy Prothy's freedom! Petition Bioware to make Prothy a DLC everyone can buy!"

Took the words right out of my mouth. I have nothing more to add other than:

/signed

 

Agreed... and the following.

fropas wrote...
But my CE is a ticket that gives me access to more content than a SE is entitled to. Why else would I pay more money for it? I bought the CE because I want EVERYTHING the game has to offer, and yes this includes the extra "chapters/scenes" that the author edited out because he didn't think they were necessary to the canonical SE experience.

I'm sorry you feel alienated, but you were never paying for the "Full" content on the disc. I get more skins than you. I get more armor (Gamestop preorder). I get a robodog. I get a prothy. I get to pay 20$ more (at gamestop) for those things. I don't see why you are entitled to the same things I am when you aren't willing to pay. . .I just don't understand why I shouldn't get more. I paid for it--you didn't.

The digi-deluxe version still has everything but the n7 patch? And it'll be available pretty much anytime for as long as they sell the game... So, this is really just an issue for console kids that couldn't save a few bucks a month since the CE was announced?

Oh and this:

Zu Long wrote...

Again, inaccurate. This is more like the guy in front of you buys a big mac meal. Gets a drink and fries with his Big mac. You walk up, order a big mac. When your burger comes out, you ask why you didn't get fries, cause the guy in front of you did, and he got his order in about the same amount of time it took them to produce your big mac. The response? "Yeah, but he bought the meal."

The fact that you did not get fries with your big mac does not change the fact that you got a full and complete big mac, just as delicious as the first guy's. You just didn't get fries, because you didn't pay for them.

 

Modifié par RGFrog, 23 février 2012 - 06:13 .

[GuyIncognito21]

fropas wrote...


The prothy is not the "wheels" and he is not the "transmission" you can still play ME3 even without the prothy. These metaphors are inaccurate measurements of the prothy's importance. You can still "start" and "drive" you game, so please stop making metaphors that convey that you can't.

Of course, you can play Madden with only 31 teams if you don't want to pay $10 to "unlock" the downloadable New York Giants.  That's not much of an argument though.

You can read a book with a chapter missing.  It might not be as fulfilling as reading the whole thing, but just shut up and be happy.

Hell, they didn't really "need' Frodo in the Lord of the Rings.  The ring could have just kinda floated into the lava.

You don't think answers to the prothean questions are all that important to the narrative.  So be it.  I disagree.

Modifié par GuyIncognito21, 23 février 2012 - 06:11 .

[Barfwak]

I don't understand this controversy at all. Did people not play ME2? They're doing the exact same thing they did last time. Zaeed Masani then, Prothean now. One extra dude, one extra mission.

The thing to complain about is the retailer specific N7 armor and rifle. Seriously, who the hell wants to buy anything from GameStop? Ugh. I'm not exactly a fan of Origin, but at least they're not a glorified pawn shop.

[JJDrakken]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

JJDrakken wrote...
-----  Total Biscuit's thought on the matter, I agree.


JJ

Quit spammin the video all over the forums.

NS.

Make me? All over, is 1 post.  That's not all over, the Mod told me to Post it here, so learn to read nitwit.


JJ

[Draconis6666]

Evilelf007 wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Hey, all of you defending removing the Prothean as it not being that important to the story, would you have said the same thing if they had done that to Legion? Same situation.

Can't agree... the Prothean will likely compare more to Zaeed and Kasumi than he will to Legion.

He'll just likely have more interesting stories to tell than Zaeed did is all.

Actualy yes, because Legion is not important to the main plot of ME 2 beyond his help on the derelict reaper. His loyalty mission is a side arc that adds to the overall background of the game and sets up events in ME 3 but is not required for you to complete the ME 2 plot. Not having legion would not stop you from completing the Suicide Mission. In fact Legion IS optional because you can send him to cerberus and never activate him and skip all content related to him.

Any character from ME 2 is a poor argument for this point because none of them, aside from Miranda, are essential to the plot and any one of them could have been completely omited or replaced with a completely different character with a completely different character plott, and the overal game would remain unchanged.

[StephanieBengal]

Barfwak wrote...

I don't understand this controversy at all. Did people not play ME2? They're doing the exact same thing they did last time. Zaeed Masani then, Prothean now. One extra dude, one extra mission.

The thing to complain about is the retailer specific N7 armor and rifle. Seriously, who the hell wants to buy anything from GameStop? Ugh. I'm not exactly a fan of Origin, but at least they're not a glorified pawn shop.

People are stupid, you seem to be one of the smart ones. 

[Niemack Saarinen]

XDRonin wrote...

Michael Gamble -
So what? is this Bioware apology for keeping it a secret? OKkk!!
- I tell you what, how about as punishment, Bioware releases the game a week earlier and we're good.

Because you have a grasp on shipments and transportation statewide and to retailers.  You  obviously know they can do that at the drop of a hat.



Not.

[fropas]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

fropas wrote...


The prothy is not the "wheels" and he is not the "transmission" you can still play ME3 even without the prothy. These metaphors are inaccurate measurements of the prothy's importance. You can still "start" and "drive" you game, so please stop making metaphors that convey that you can't.

Of course, you can play Madden with only 31 teams if you don't want to pay $10 to "unlock" the downloadable New York Giants.  That's not much of an argument though.

You can read a book with a chapter missing.  It might not be as fulfilling as reading the whole thing, but just shut up and be happy.

Hell, they didn't really "need' Frodo in the Lord of the Rings.  The ring could have just kinda floated into the lava.

You don't think answers to the prothean questions are all that important to the narrative.  So be it.  I disagree.

No. no, I can't play Madden I don't like that game .

[RiouHotaru]

fatalmaverick wrote...
3) A prothean is NOT the same as Shale. Shale was randomly introduced in DA and did not have a base in a complete two games as a main plot point!

The comparison to Shale is that Shale offered lore and backstory, but in no way affected the plot with her presence.  You could go without her and be none the wiser for it.  Missing out on her was NOT detrimental to your experience.

The Prothean fills that same role.  He offers interesting lore and backstory, but is NOT critical to the plot of stopping the Reapers.  So if you don't have him, you don't miss out.  Unless you're a hardcore lore junkie.

[AdmiralCheez]

Yuoaman wrote...

They would still make a profit if they made the DLC free - since people would have an incentive to buy the game new, or to buy the online pass if they bought it used - just like ME2. Or did ME2 become a colossal failure when I was looking away?

EA isn't about making a profit.

EA is about making the most profit possible.

Hence no free stuff unless the boycott is actually large enough that giving out "From Ashes" free would be the only way to restore those losses.

I don't agree with day one DLC.  I don't agree with a lot of what EA's done.  But the line, at least for me, hasn't been crossed yet.

I'll be sure to let the entire internet know when it is.

[El Ejcovero]

Once again for those who don't get what the problem is, and no, we are not alright with this in any game past, present or future, and we have to draw the line someplace, here:

[Draconis6666]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...


Of course, you can play Madden with only 31 teams if you don't want to pay $10 to "unlock" the downloadable New York Giants.  That's not much of an argument though.

You can read a book with a chapter missing.  It might not be as fulfilling as reading the whole thing, but just shut up and be happy.

Hell, they didn't really "need' Frodo in the Lord of the Rings.  The ring could have just kinda floated into the lava.

You don't think answers to the prothean questions are all that important to the narrative.  So be it.  I disagree.

And your perfectly welcome to have that opinon, but Bioware has just as much right to say that it doesnt and not include it in the main game. The game is not created based on your opinion its based on Bioware's opinion of how they want to make the game and its up to you if you want to play it or not.

[Niemack Saarinen]

JJDrakken wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

JJDrakken wrote...
-----  Total Biscuit's thought on the matter, I agree.


JJ

Quit spammin the video all over the forums.

NS.

Make me? All over, is 1 post.  That's not all over, the Mod told me to Post it here, so learn to read nitwit.


JJ

Whats cute is you think your the very very first person to post the video and their opinion on the matter-  Read the forum from the past eh? 8 hours.   Learn to read Nitwit.



NS

[GuyIncognito21]

Draconis6666 wrote...
You would have just not gotten it at all then and it would never have existed which might arguably have been better, because it would have been simply scrapped and tossed aside when it was initialy cut from the game, and not completed for optional content once the game was submitted for certification over a month ago.

Weren't you just the one trying to dismiss "conjecture?"  Is there any reason at all for me to believe you didn't entirely make that entire post up?

They spent all this time and energy developing this character and the content that attends him, but they would have just jettisoned it after the fact if they couldn't get paid for it?

Man, even if that's true I'm not sure it makes the situation any better.

[Yuoaman]

Barfwak wrote...

I don't understand this controversy at all. Did people not play ME2? They're doing the exact same thing they did last time. Zaeed Masani then, Prothean now. One extra dude, one extra mission.

The thing to complain about is the retailer specific N7 armor and rifle. Seriously, who the hell wants to buy anything from GameStop? Ugh. I'm not exactly a fan of Origin, but at least they're not a glorified pawn shop.

Except every new copy, no matter where you got it or which edition you got, had a code for the Cerberus Network which got you Zaeed and a bunch of other free DLC - ME3 is doing the same thing, sure, but they're also asking for every gamer who didn't pre-order a specific version to pay extra.

[fatalmaverick]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

JJDrakken wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

JJDrakken wrote...
-----  Total Biscuit's thought on the matter, I agree.


JJ

Quit spammin the video all over the forums.

NS.

Make me? All over, is 1 post.  That's not all over, the Mod told me to Post it here, so learn to read nitwit.


JJ

Whats cute is you think your the very very first person to post the video and their opinion on the matter-  Read the forum from the past eh? 8 hours.   Learn to read Nitwit.



NS

He's allowed to post that here. Are you mad that one of the biggest YouTubers made a commentary that puts your favourite game in a negative light, and it's getting a lot of attention? Don't flame a person just because they think a video is worth watching.

[Draconis6666]

El Ejcovero wrote...

Once again for those who don't get what the problem is, and no, we are not alright with this in any game past, present or future, and we have to draw the line someplace, here:

Except once again your argument is flawed and fails before it begins because it implies something that you have no proof of and are just guessing is the case, mostly because you have no concept of how game development works but think you do and have decided that how you think it works has to be the case so this must be true.