Hear hear.Wardka wrote...
You don't have my support, Michael Gamble. If this is the future of BioWare/EA gaming, I don't want any part of it.
Draconis6666 wrote...
And your perfectly welcome to have that opinon, but Bioware has just as much right to say that it doesnt and not include it in the main game. The game is not created based on your opinion its based on Bioware's opinion of how they want to make the game and its up to you if you want to play it or not.
Barfwak wrote...
I don't understand this controversy at all. Did people not play ME2? They're doing the exact same thing they did last time. Zaeed Masani then, Prothean now. One extra dude, one extra mission.
The thing to complain about is the retailer specific N7 armor and rifle. Seriously, who the hell wants to buy anything from GameStop? Ugh. I'm not exactly a fan of Origin, but at least they're not a glorified pawn shop.
fatalmaverick wrote...
He's allowed to post that here. Are you mad that one of the biggest YouTubers made a commentary that puts your favourite game in a negative light, and it's getting a lot of attention? Don't flame a person just because they think a video is worth watching.
StephanieBengal wrote...
Barfwak wrote...
I don't understand this controversy at all. Did people not play ME2? They're doing the exact same thing they did last time. Zaeed Masani then, Prothean now. One extra dude, one extra mission.
The thing to complain about is the retailer specific N7 armor and rifle. Seriously, who the hell wants to buy anything from GameStop? Ugh. I'm not exactly a fan of Origin, but at least they're not a glorified pawn shop.
People are stupid, you seem to be one of the smart ones.
AdmiralCheez wrote...
EA isn't about making a profit.Yuoaman wrote...
They would still make a profit if they made the DLC free - since people would have an incentive to buy the game new, or to buy the online pass if they bought it used - just like ME2. Or did ME2 become a colossal failure when I was looking away?
EA is about making the most profit possible.
Hence no free stuff unless the boycott is actually large enough that giving out "From Ashes" free would be the only way to restore those losses.
I don't agree with day one DLC. I don't agree with a lot of what EA's done. But the line, at least for me, hasn't been crossed yet.
I'll be sure to let the entire internet know when it is.
You and I have a very different idea of what essential means then. The Prothean will at best be a walking talking codex of Prothean lore. That is not essential. Essential is something that advances story and plot, that the game cannot be completed without.nevar00 wrote...
Evilelf007 wrote...
So again, you are only upset not because of the essentialness of the character, but the coolness of having a Prothean squadmate. Maybe you should've thought ahead and gone for the CE seeing all the cool stuff it came with... including a free extra squadmate. That's what I saw and why I pre-ordered my CE copy ASAP!nevar00 wrote...
Evilelf007 wrote...
Just because he's a Prothean doesn't mean he is in any way essential to anything! How can a guy who's been completely out of touch of the entire galaxy from a race that completely failed to stop the reapers be suddenly essential now? He will have lore and history not before available, but he will not be vital to anything...
You guys just feel that because he's a Prothean, a member of the race that all of Mass Effect's tech was supposedly based off of (which it wasn't really, it's all based off of Reaper tech), he MUST be important. Get that idea out of your head right now... as he will be more for the fun of the idea more than essential to anything at all. You will be sorely disappointed if that is your expectation.
The fact that there is a living member of a thought-to-be dead species should have been important enough to make it into the main game. Regardless of if he was going to be important to the plot itself or not. Regardless of if he's a random soldier or a top scientist. The Protheans have been built up for 2 games: to have a member of their species turn out to be alive should be a big reveal in the game, similiar to Legion, and not tacked on as DLC.
Now if they thought this was insignificant enough to only include as DLC well, in that case there must be something wrong with Bioware's writing staff.
You are only upset that you are now finding out you have to pay extra for something so cool. A lot of us already anticipated such a thing and are being rewarded for it!
Again, you only have yourself to blame IMO.
I DID preorder the CE. I'm still angry that they decided to take something that could (if not butchered) add so much to the lore and be such a big moment in the game and threw it on as an afterthought.
Or as a "gift" for those of us who preordered the CE just to make everyone else pay for what should be a pretty essential part of the Mass Effect world/experience.
Zu Long wrote...
nitefyre410 wrote...
Zu Long wrote...
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I don't get how it's unethical to charge us extra money for extra content. Especially when they told us months ago that there would be extra content available for extra money. That seems completely ethical to me.
For the most part are correct but its gets shady when you A.) announce the what once Exclusive Content to CE is now for everyone and B.) charge everyone who did not get the 10 bucks..
Here is way because it is very safe check that to right..unless bioware prints two entirely seperate set of disc- that the content is already on the disc that those who get the SE paid for. Now for most comestic things like customs, guns etc, is what ever... When you start talking about quest,characters etc.. your stepping into a very shady area. Now you charge one set customers more for game play content.
Now your defense can be the CE people paid the extra tens bucks for - Okay
But the artbook would run about $5-$7, the soundtrack easily $15-20 dollars... covers the cost of the additional $20 there.. so essentially the CE customer still get its for free.
If its not on the disc then the whole debate is pointless and I will go on my happy merry way
Well, there's about 600 MB of SOMETHING that isn't on the disc. Maybe its just a dirty limerick repeated over and over in binary code meant to fool us into thinking it's content that wasn't on the disc, but personally I'm guessing it's actual content.
Modifié par nitefyre410, 23 février 2012 - 06:22 .
Draconis6666 wrote...
El Ejcovero wrote...
Once again for those who don't get what the problem is, and no, we are not alright with this in any game past, present or future, and we have to draw the line someplace, here:
Except once again your argument is flawed and fails before it begins because it implies something that you have no proof of and are just guessing is the case, mostly because you have no concept of how game development works but think you do and have decided that how you think it works has to be the case so this must be true.
Draconis6666 wrote...
El Ejcovero wrote...
Once again for those who don't get what the problem is, and no, we are not alright with this in any game past, present or future, and we have to draw the line someplace, here:
Except once again your argument is flawed and fails before it begins because it implies something that you have no proof of and are just guessing is the case, mostly because you have no concept of how game development works but think you do and have decided that how you think it works has to be the case so this must be true.
Draconis6666 wrote...
And your perfectly welcome to have that opinon, but Bioware has just as much right to say that it doesnt and not include it in the main game. The game is not created based on your opinion its based on Bioware's opinion of how they want to make the game and its up to you if you want to play it or not.
Zaeed's story had absolutely nothing to do with the core narrative of the game.
Niemack Saarinen wrote...
fatalmaverick wrote...
He's allowed to post that here. Are you mad that one of the biggest YouTubers made a commentary that puts your favourite game in a negative light, and it's getting a lot of attention? Don't flame a person just because they think a video is worth watching.
Not really, i just enjoy making you self entitled drones angry. Especially those who like others to make opinions for them, without taking a second to think for ones self.
But everyone DID pay for the extra character and mission with Kasumi.Azure33 wrote...
StephanieBengal wrote...
Barfwak wrote...
I don't understand this controversy at all. Did people not play ME2? They're doing the exact same thing they did last time. Zaeed Masani then, Prothean now. One extra dude, one extra mission.
The thing to complain about is the retailer specific N7 armor and rifle. Seriously, who the hell wants to buy anything from GameStop? Ugh. I'm not exactly a fan of Origin, but at least they're not a glorified pawn shop.
People are stupid, you seem to be one of the smart ones.
You got Zaeed for simply buying the game. It was a way to limit resales. You were not required to buy the CE or pay for his content if you purchased the game new. That situation and this one are completely different.
RaenImrahl wrote...
This topic engenders great passion. That's cool. It should not engender rudeness. Comments like "nitwit" or worse will get folks banned for 24 hours.
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Draconis6666 wrote...
El Ejcovero wrote...
Once again for those who don't get what the problem is, and no, we are not alright with this in any game past, present or future, and we have to draw the line someplace, here:
Except once again your argument is flawed and fails before it begins because it implies something that you have no proof of and are just guessing is the case, mostly because you have no concept of how game development works but think you do and have decided that how you think it works has to be the case so this must be true.
DifferentD17 wrote...
Draconis6666 wrote...
And your perfectly welcome to have that opinon, but Bioware has just as much right to say that it doesnt and not include it in the main game. The game is not created based on your opinion its based on Bioware's opinion of how they want to make the game and its up to you if you want to play it or not.
How do you know Biowares opinions? Do you work for them or something? Is Bioware's opinion your opinion, but you just covered that part up?
Evilelf007 wrote...
But everyone DID pay for the extra character and mission with Kasumi.Azure33 wrote...
StephanieBengal wrote...
Barfwak wrote...
I don't understand this controversy at all. Did people not play ME2? They're doing the exact same thing they did last time. Zaeed Masani then, Prothean now. One extra dude, one extra mission.
The thing to complain about is the retailer specific N7 armor and rifle. Seriously, who the hell wants to buy anything from GameStop? Ugh. I'm not exactly a fan of Origin, but at least they're not a glorified pawn shop.
People are stupid, you seem to be one of the smart ones.
You got Zaeed for simply buying the game. It was a way to limit resales. You were not required to buy the CE or pay for his content if you purchased the game new. That situation and this one are completely different.
GuyIncognito21 wrote...
A) Zaeed was free.
If EITHER of those things were true about this new character, the complaints would by and large disappear.
Deaddude56 wrote...
Will the Prothean be a dynamic squadmate where you can go talk to them and a have a real conversation, or will he be more like Zaeed or Kasumi who have one-sided conversations with you?
RGFrog wrote...
Meesherbeans wrote...
Took the words right out of my mouth. I have nothing more to add other than:Digifi wrote...
Wait, let me get this straight...we've known for months that the Prothean character existed. CE buyers paid $25 more for that DLC and some trinkets. Since the DLC is $10 the trinkets must be $15 which sounds about right for what the production cost of those trinkets probably are. Either way, CE buyers paid for this DLC, and now a bunch of you are saying you shouldn't have to? If Bioware really knew how to troll they would have made Prothy a CE exclusive. Then we'd see a bunch of threads titled "I'll buy Prothy's freedom! Petition Bioware to make Prothy a DLC everyone can buy!"
/signed
Agreed... and the following.fropas wrote...
But my CE is a ticket that gives me access to more content than a SE is entitled to. Why else would I pay more money for it? I bought the CE because I want EVERYTHING the game has to offer, and yes this includes the extra "chapters/scenes" that the author edited out because he didn't think they were necessary to the canonical SE experience.
I'm sorry you feel alienated, but you were never paying for the "Full" content on the disc. I get more skins than you. I get more armor (Gamestop preorder). I get a robodog. I get a prothy. I get to pay 20$ more (at gamestop) for those things. I don't see why you are entitled to the same things I am when you aren't willing to pay. . .I just don't understand why I shouldn't get more. I paid for it--you didn't.
The digi-deluxe version still has everything but the n7 patch? And it'll be available pretty much anytime for as long as they sell the game... So, this is really just an issue for console kids that couldn't save a few bucks a month since the CE was announced?
Oh and this:Zu Long wrote...
Again, inaccurate. This is more like the guy in front of you buys a big mac meal. Gets a drink and fries with his Big mac. You walk up, order a big mac. When your burger comes out, you ask why you didn't get fries, cause the guy in front of you did, and he got his order in about the same amount of time it took them to produce your big mac. The response? "Yeah, but he bought the meal."
The fact that you did not get fries with your big mac does not change the fact that you got a full and complete big mac, just as delicious as the first guy's. You just didn't get fries, because you didn't pay for them.
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