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[Evilelf007]

Michael Gamble wrote...

I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.

Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.

That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.

I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.

Mike

All I have to say is THANK YOU!  Thank you for all the work put into this! 

[Psynonamous635]

People are trying too hard to make this into something that it is not; bonus characters are bonus characters but people are screaming "well, it's like playing ME1 and then being forced to pay for the final battle with Saren!!"

No. not at all.

It's a side mission, it's bonus content, if you want the extras you can pay for them but you shouldn't get them for free just because you want something for free. Like most everything these days, development for all aspects are started at about the same time. They started working on the main game, another part of Bioware started working on multiplayer, another part of Bioware started working on DLC, another part of Bioware started working on marketing, another part of Bioware started working on packaging, yes they do start making DLC while making the standard game. It's how you avoid bugs and having to re-release updated patches and code fixes.

As far as writing a book goes, the writer adds and removes, then the rough draft is sent in and the editor requests adds and removes other sections - It's the same thing with movie scripts, parts are added and parts are removed, content is changed, dialogue is edited, locations are changed... The only reason there is so much fake anger and faux outrage over this is all of the leaks. If nobody knew who the CE/Day one character was, this thread would be full of "I wonder who it is" posts.

ME2 - before it was released, was stated to have bonus content on day one that was included for free with the CE version

ME3 - before it was released, was stated to have bonus content on day one that was included for free with the CE version

It's considered bonus DLC because it does not affect the main game in any way shape form or fashion, it's extra. As far as the over-all story, the ME2 bonus DLC characters (that were not needed) added codex entries as well, the DLC for ME1 added codex and story line information too. But if you did not buy ME1/2 DLC then you did notice anything missing because the games were complete already.

I pre-ordered ME2 CE and ended up getting the DLC as it was released, I pre-ordered ME3 CE and will probably get the DLC as it is released too - does the DLC add to the over-all game, story, and experience? yes. Is it required? no. The Shadowbroker pack added to the story - especially the entire backstory of how Shep ended up with Cerberus to start with, but I didn't complain about spending a few extra bucks to enjoy the missions and the detailed level of writing the scripts, codex entries, and the dossiers.

[CitizenSnips]

Empiro wrote...

mushoops86anjyl wrote...

This is very, very simple.

The developer is selling a product for what they believe it is worth. If you do not like it, you do not have to buy it. You are entitled to your opinion but you are not entitled to this product.

Isn't that exactly what many people are doing? Canceling the pre-order or saying that they won't buy the game? I know that's what I'm doing. I'd like to think that we're allowed to state the reasons why we're doing what we're doing, and also to tell Bioware how they can win back our money.

By all means. I honestly don't have a problem with it so I'm content to let my pre-order stand.

Modifié par mushoops86anjyl, 23 février 2012 - 07:27 .

[Kasces]

fatalmaverick wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.

Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.

That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.

I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.

Mike

OH GOD HERE WE GO THREAD EXPLOSION YA DUN GOOFED

I lol'd.

[Yuoaman]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.

Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.

That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.

I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.

Mike

I don't think anyone is doubting the work ethic of the developers.  The argument is about the nature of the work being done.

Can you look me straight in my E-eye and tell me that had you guys not been able to sell this extra content for $10 a pop, it would never have seen the light of day?  Can you tell me that it's "extra" in every sense of the word, and that in a world without a DLC system, it would have simply been scrapped (rather than added to the full game free of charge like Zaeed)?

If so, I can't do anything but take you at your word.

Agreed, we all know that Bioware has been working their asses off - we just disagree with the way it's being distributed.

[RiouHotaru]

Michael Gamble wrote...

I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.

Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.

That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.

I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.

Mike

And I believe you Mike.  What boggles my mind is that both you, Casey, and even Stanley have explained the process of how Day-1 DLC works, and yet people continue to believe that what you're saying is an utter lie and that you're money-grubbing jerks.

It's aggravating that you're being sincere about this, and people just wave you off or roll their eyes and go "Nice try."

I don't think there's ever going to be a way to convince some people, no matter how forthwright you are.  But hey, at least you're willing to try.

[mrbauxjangles]

i find it bull**** that they say oh the dlc was made after the main game was conpleted. yet leajed script had him in so he was planned, is said to be a CE bonus so he had to be done before release and they announced him months ago. i would rather them just come out and say we wanted more money instead f lying.

also this stuff of people jusy don't want to pay is a lie. i am a xbox gamer and pc gamer i can pirate on both xbox is easy same with pc instead i would purchase the game but they arent giving me the full veesion

[LivingHitokiri]

Monochrome Wench wrote...

This image is nonsense. It wasn't uncommon for games in the 90's to have content cut which was then released as an expansion pack, or used in its sequal.

I would kindly request you to name out these games you say that come
even remotely close to the current era of the games on the milking
department.



The gaming companies where complaining about piracy  and how hard it harms them which is a lie.

They
make billions every year,them more they get the more they will keep
complaining because they will also want more, hence the games become
worse by the days,few games hardly keep players compiled and satisfied
by the single player section,games that have weak single player try to
enhance it with multiplayer +additional stuff in order to cover it up
and fill the gaps.Most of the games in current era do not feel
"complete" so multiplayer is a good escape card to use and make it look
better ( COD, BF etc).



The problem is not the dlc,neither is the
10 bucks i will have to pay for it, its their action that leads to
redicule the playerbase as a whole,downgrading us to mindless pawns that
buy anything they throw at us exploting the love/enjoyment we have for a
game.It insults me as a gamer to be treated by a company that lives by
our support to have that kind of logic and approach.



I do not blame bioware since its not their decision  about
how the marketing flows,they are told to make additional content,not to
make it full or make different and they make it,because EA is the one at
fault in here.

Take a perfect example between The witcher 2 and ANY  EA games published to see a comparison to who actually cares about their fans/gamers and who only cares about money.



Saying the above i will not buy Mass Effect 3 and i will cancel my pre
order as an act of complain towards the publisher EA and their insulting
actions towards me as consumer,gamer.

[HiroVoid]

Michael Gamble wrote...

I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.

Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.

That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.

I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.

Mike

Bolded: Dang!  Any interesting insight on anything specific?

Also, I certainly know the entire game has a lot of effort put into it.  It really shows from everything I've seen, and I'm sure it'll sell well as a result.  What most people don't really understand I think though is why it wasn't put out as coming with 'new' games rather than CE exclusive.....of course, now, there's nothing that can be done about that since it was announced with the CE.  I also agree if there was a time to make a big deal about it, it would have been back then rather than now.

Also, I doubt you could answer, but could you explain how the Prothean was fully developed through the development of ME3?  It feels like the writing was there for a while, but I suppose I could see certain parts of development being put off as not as important as the main game and to see what can be fit into the final game.

[pilot2969]

GuyIncognito21 wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.

Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.

That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.

I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.

Mike

I don't think anyone is doubting the work ethic of the developers.  The argument is about the nature of the work being done.

Can you look me straight in my E-eye and tell me that had you guys not been able to sell this extra content for $10 a pop, it would never have seen the light of day?  Can you tell me that it's "extra" in every sense of the word, and that in a world without a DLC system, it would have simply been scrapped (rather than added to the full game free of charge like Zaeed)?

If so, I can't do anything but take you at your word.

I say he honestly can look you straight in the eye and say that it would have seen the light of day, as this DLC was already planned to be released as a Collector's Edition exclusive... I don't see why this is so hard to understand. 

[Draconis6666]

Yuoaman wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.

Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.

That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.

I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.

Mike

It's nice to have you guys finally respond, but I still don't understand why "From Ashes" couldn't be distributed like Zaeed was.

It could have been, they decided not to because its within their rights to do so, if you dont want to pay for it dont. You are not entitled for "From Ashes" to be free simply because in the past you have recieved something for free. You are opperating on the assumption that because in the past they have given you things for free that they now have to and that is not how it works.

[Silent.Hunter]

Will this DLC be free for Digital Delux Edition or not ?

[Yuoaman]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.

Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.

That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.

I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.

Mike

And I believe you Mike.  What boggles my mind is that both you, Casey, and even Stanley have explained the process of how Day-1 DLC works, and yet people continue to believe that what you're saying is an utter lie and that you're money-grubbing jerks.

It's aggravating that you're being sincere about this, and people just wave you off or roll their eyes and go "Nice try."

I don't think there's ever going to be a way to convince some people, no matter how forthwright you are.  But hey, at least you're willing to try.

I have not once called the developers out on "lying" about how DLC is developed - I understand how it works in general, I'm a game design student and we've covered it. I've only disagreed with the distribution of this particular DLC.

[ediskrad327]

Silent.Hunter wrote...

Will this DLC be free for Digital Delux Edition or not ?

yes

[CitizenSnips]

Silent.Hunter wrote...

Will this DLC be free for Digital Delux Edition or not ?

It is my understanding that it will be.

[Yuoaman]

Draconis6666 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.

Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.

That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.

I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.

Mike

It's nice to have you guys finally respond, but I still don't understand why "From Ashes" couldn't be distributed like Zaeed was.

It could have been, they decided not to because its within their rights to do so, if you dont want to pay for it dont. You are not entitled for "From Ashes" to be free simply because in the past you have recieved something for free. You are opperating on the assumption that because in the past they have given you things for free that they now have to and that is not how it works.

I'm not assuming that in any way - I'm simply stating that there's no reason to charge us extra money for content that every player should be able to experience.

[alterIncogn1T0]

rumbalumba wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.

Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.

That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.

I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.

Mike

translation: buy it or not. end of story.

Hasn't that always been the case with all products and services?

[RiouHotaru]

Yuoaman wrote...

I have not once called the developers out on "lying" about how DLC is developed - I understand how it works in general, I'm a game design student and we've covered it. I've only disagreed with the distribution of this particular DLC.

I'm generalizing, so forgive me, but you can understand my sentiment, right?

[CitizenSnips]

Yuoaman wrote...

Draconis6666 wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

Michael Gamble wrote...

I've read all 96 pages of this thread. Contrary to popular thoughts, we really do care what you guys have to say.

Casey and I have explained how the development timeline on these DLC go, and in order to have our DLC flow with the main game, we do have to integrate the VO into certain places in the core product (Certain ME2 DLCs followed this same pattern). But there's a lot of work to crafting a great DLC, outside of the VO and script.

That said, i can tell you is that a team of of us poured our heart into this DLC after we had given all we could to finish the the ME3 game. We pushed hard because we wanted people to be able to experience this adventure on the first day, rather than day 30 or 60. We're proud of it, and if you choose to play it, I think you'll see that.

I really do appreciate every person who wants to give ME3 a chance (even if you're not happy with me right now!), and even without 'From Ashes' - I think you will be blown away.

Thanks for your support, and thanks for your feedback.

Mike

It's nice to have you guys finally respond, but I still don't understand why "From Ashes" couldn't be distributed like Zaeed was.

It could have been, they decided not to because its within their rights to do so, if you dont want to pay for it dont. You are not entitled for "From Ashes" to be free simply because in the past you have recieved something for free. You are opperating on the assumption that because in the past they have given you things for free that they now have to and that is not how it works.

I'm not assuming that in any way - I'm simply stating that there's no reason to charge us extra money for content that every player should be able to experience.

"Should"? Why?

[fatalmaverick]

-Mostly the same people defending BioWare in this thread, just saying. Might be representative of how many people actually are against their action on this.

[rumbalumba]

Evilelf007 wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

To anyone wondering, I honestly doubt it's an issue of money to most people as much as it's a matter of principle.

Yes, entitlement vs capitalism.

Entitlement thinks most forms of capitalism is wrong.  Bioware/EA doing what's best for their buisness is wrong.  Capitialism says supply and demand determine prices, and if that supply and demand supports dlc to improve profit margins, they should go ahead and do so.

I can't fault any buisness for wanting to maximize the bottom dollar, as that is their responsibility to their share holders.

funniest crap i've ever read.

first off, i find it funny that people think only Capitalism is the only existing system for business and trade. there has been tons of systems in the history of mankind. Capitalism has always been about rewarding the stakeholder and squeezing out every dollar from the consumer. that is its goal, its principle. it's not entitlement that thinks it's wrong, but it is fundamentally wrong from a consumer standpoint and fundamentally right from a seller standpoint.

Supply and Demand? rofl. NO ONE demanded for a $10 Day 1 DLC. and please don't give me that crap about the team wanting to put out DLC day 1 so they rushed to finish the job. these workers are hired in a contractual basis., meaning working on a DLC is already a given. Biwoare doesn't say "oh we dont want to lay you off so go do a DLC". that is pure eand utter bullcrap.
this is more like monopolizing the market rather than meeting in a middle ground. supply and demand my arse. don't talk about stuff you just learned from a 1st year economics class because that crap is useless.

[HiroVoid]

Silent.Hunter wrote...

Will this DLC be free for Digital Delux Edition or not ?

It should.

[DifferentD17]

RiouHotaru wrote...


And I believe you Mike.  What boggles my mind is that both you, Casey, and even Stanley have explained the process of how Day-1 DLC works, and yet people continue to believe that what you're saying is an utter lie and that you're money-grubbing jerks.

It's aggravating that you're being sincere about this, and people just wave you off or roll their eyes and go "Nice try."

I don't think there's ever going to be a way to convince some people, no matter how forthwright you are.  But hey, at least you're willing to try.

Probably because they lie all the time, Chris lied about this subject exactly.
http://social.biowar...51111/1#7551129

Doesn't mean I don't think the worked hard on in though, I'm sure they did, and they probably should get a bigger cut of the DLC profits.

[RiouHotaru]

fatalmaverick wrote...

-Mostly the same people defending BioWare in this thread, just saying. Might be representative of how many people actually are against their action on this.

Devil's advocate; it's also the same people attacking it.

[GuyIncognito21]

pilot2969 wrote...
I say he honestly can look you straight in the eye and say that it would have seen the light of day, as this DLC was already planned to be released as a Collector's Edition exclusive... I don't see why this is so hard to understand. 

That's not what I'm asking.  We're being asked to believe that this DLC is no different than any other "paid" DLC (i.e. that it was designed separately, that it had its own costs, etc.)  If that's the case, then it should also be the case that in a world without paid DLC, this content would have never existed.  That's what I'm asking.

The fact that it was announced for the CE doesn't mean much, because they're charging an extra $20 for the CE. 

Basically what I'm asking is this:  If there was no way to charge more than $60 for the game, would this DLC content be in the game or not?