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[D.Kain]

Chriss0978 wrote...

DoctorTurkleton wrote...

Vanguards are useless on any difficulty if you have no idea to play them. Vanguards are able to solo phantoms and atlas, not to mention if you have a shotgun that's at X your power recharge will be fast enough that only a bad charge should kill you.

Yes, but In gold I think that even the best Vanguard on those forums will have his effectiveness greatly diminished, because of the increased health and shields, am I wrong?

Everyone kinda get's diminished no? isn't that the point of Gold? Widow for example doesn't kill with a headshot  on gold anymore, even from cloak. 

[DoctorTurkleton]

Lets just say on Bronze, vanguard is godmode.
Silver - really, really good
Gold - really good/good
Assuming a good vanguard player. So yes, you're right. They're nowhere near useless though.

[Chriss0978]

PikkuKananen wrote...

I allways run shotgun only with vanguards

Mine uses the Phalanx (pistol), you can charge more frequently, and you can actually shoot someone 5 meters ahead of you.

DoctorTurkleton wrote...

Lets just say on Bronze, vanguard is godmode.
Silver - really, really good
Gold - really good/good
Assuming a good vanguard player. So yes, you're right. They're nowhere near useless though.

A Drell Vanguard would be useless on Gold imo, all Vanguards I've seen depend on Nova to survive after a Charge, a power the Drell lacks, not to mention the weaker shields.

Modifié par Chriss0978, 23 février 2012 - 01:10 .

[PikkuKananen]

Chriss0978 wrote...

PikkuKananen wrote...

I allways run shotgun only with vanguards

Mine uses the Phalanx (pistol), you can charge more frequently, and you can actually shoot someone 5 meters ahead of you.

Actually I cant see how a 200% bonus is better to 160% bonus... Range is one thing, then again charging will get you very close to the enemies

[D.Kain]

Chriss0978 wrote...

PikkuKananen wrote...

I allways run shotgun only with vanguards

Mine uses the Phalanx (pistol), you can charge more frequently, and you can actually shoot someone 5 meters ahead of you.

DoctorTurkleton wrote...

Lets just say on Bronze, vanguard is godmode.
Silver - really, really good
Gold - really good/good
Assuming a good vanguard player. So yes, you're right. They're nowhere near useless though.

A Drell Vanguard would be useless on Gold imo, all Vanguards I've seen depend on Nova to survive after a Charge, a power the Drell lacks, not to mention the weaker shields.

Why not use cluster frags after charge? They are pretty powerful.

[DialupToaster]

Chriss0978 wrote...

PikkuKananen wrote...

I allways run shotgun only with vanguards

Mine uses the Phalanx (pistol), you can charge more frequently, and you can actually shoot someone 5 meters ahead of you.

DoctorTurkleton wrote...

Lets just say on Bronze, vanguard is godmode.
Silver - really, really good
Gold - really good/good
Assuming a good vanguard player. So yes, you're right. They're nowhere near useless though.

A Drell Vanguard would be useless on Gold imo, all Vanguards I've seen depend on Nova to survive after a Charge, a power the Drell lacks, not to mention the weaker shields.

My setup right here though I regret ever putting a point into shockwave (whats it called?) I remembered it being stronger in the first game though.

[Hiero Glyph]

At least for the demo here is my list:
1) Asari Adept
2) Slarian Infiltrator
3) Human Engineer
4) Turian Sentinel, or any of the previous ones listed.

[Chriss0978]

D.Kain wrote...

Chriss0978 wrote...

DoctorTurkleton wrote...

Vanguards are useless on any difficulty if you have no idea to play them. Vanguards are able to solo phantoms and atlas, not to mention if you have a shotgun that's at X your power recharge will be fast enough that only a bad charge should kill you.

Yes, but In gold I think that even the best Vanguard on those forums will have his effectiveness greatly diminished, because of the increased health and shields, am I wrong?

Everyone kinda get's diminished no? isn't that the point of Gold? Widow for example doesn't kill with a headshot  on gold anymore, even from cloak. 

Yes, but the Vanguards are so more than others imo.

PikkuKananen wrote...

Actually I cant see how a 200% bonus is better to 160% bonus...
Range is one thing, then again charging will get you very close to the
enemies

It might not make much of a difference to a Drell, but the faster you can charge, the easier it will be to keep living. Especially against Atlas'.

D.Kain wrote...

Why not use cluster frags after charge? They are pretty powerful.

Do they knock enemies down? (Never seen them in action). And I think that Nova does more damage if leveled correctly.

randomchasegurney wrote...


My setup right here though I regret ever putting a point into
shockwave (whats it called?) I remembered it being stronger in the first
game though.

Agreed. I do not see any usefulness to Shockwave at all.

Modifié par Chriss0978, 23 février 2012 - 01:17 .

[D.Kain]

Cluster frags don't knock enemies down, they kill them. Well usually, on gold they might leave one last shot to take at the enemies, and they will be at least staggered. These frags are actually very powerful, the only problem is that they are VERY limited.

But Charge=>Frag to the face=>Dead phantom

Modifié par D.Kain, 23 février 2012 - 01:18 .

[PikkuKananen]

Do they knock enemies down? (Never seen them in action). And I think that Nova does more damage if leveled correctly.

Yes they do, also damage and power is huge, kills anything else except atlas/phantom/turret if aimed good. In silver, cant remember how it is in gold

[D.Kain]

PikkuKananen wrote...

Do they knock enemies down? (Never seen them in action). And I think that Nova does more damage if leveled correctly.

Yes they do, also damage and power is huge, kills anything else except atlas/phantom/turret if aimed good. In silver, cant remember how it is in gold

Didn't knock people down for me, just staggered enemies.

[Chriss0978]

D.Kain wrote...

Cluster frags don't knock enemies down, they kill them. Well usually, on gold they might leave one last shot to take at the enemies, and they will be at least staggered. These frags are actually very powerful, the only problem is that they are VERY limited.

But Charge=>Frag to the face=>Dead phantom

There it is then. Nova has no limit or cooldown. Perhaps said frag does more damage than a Nova?

[foreshadowjr]

Salarian Infiltrator x4


Does that count?

[PikkuKananen]

Chriss0978 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Cluster frags don't knock enemies down, they kill them. Well usually, on gold they might leave one last shot to take at the enemies, and they will be at least staggered. These frags are actually very powerful, the only problem is that they are VERY limited.

But Charge=>Frag to the face=>Dead phantom

There it is then. Nova has no limit or cooldown. Perhaps said frag does more damage than a Nova?

I dont know the damage of nova but the damage of grenades is something like 1000-2000 sorry cant remember more exact number, and the power is 2000

[Warden Kuril]

I'd go with:

- Krogan Soldier
- Asari Adept
- Salarian Infiltrator
- Turian Sentinel

Seems like that team has a very balanced group of skills, and could complement each other well for tasks on gold.

[Chriss0978]

foreshadowjr wrote...

Salarian Infiltrator x4


Does that count?

I feel sorry for Cerberus if such a team ever exists.

PikkuKananen wrote...

Chriss0978 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Cluster
frags don't knock enemies down, they kill them. Well usually, on gold
they might leave one last shot to take at the enemies, and they will be
at least staggered. These frags are actually very powerful, the only
problem is that they are VERY limited.

But Charge=>Frag to the face=>Dead phantom

There it is then. Nova has no limit or cooldown. Perhaps said frag does more damage than a Nova?

I
dont know the damage of nova but the damage of grenades is something
like 1000-2000 sorry cant remember more exact number, and the power is
2000

Then the grenades do more damage than one Nova, not sure if you spec the Vanguard to be able to do 2 Novas right after a charge though. I still prefer Nova, simply because you can use it indefinitely.

[goofyomnivore]

Salarian Infiltrator (shotgun)
Asari Adept (stasis)
Salarian Infiltrator (sniper)
Human Engineer (chain overload)

Would be my ideal line up for the demo. Turian Sentinel could work too for the Human Engineer.

[nuclearpengu1nn]

Asari Adept
Turian Sentinel
Krogan Soldier
Any race of Engineer

[D.Kain]

You can replenish grenade supply at the ammo crate once in a while, but yeah, you can fire nova a lot more.

[vGriMz]

Krogan Soldier - Taking damage, firepower.
Turian Sentinel - Overload, taking damage.
Salarian Infiltrator - Guardian killing, reviving, objectives, possible Atlas killer, Centurion killer.
Asari Adept - Stasis for Phantoms mainly.

[Assumedkilla]

Asari Adept
Krogan Soldier
Human Engineer
Salarian Infiltrator

I don't like Vanguards all that much. Adepts are better at biotics and I'd rather have a Krogan on my team running at guys, since they have more health and better offense.

vGriMz wrote...

Krogan Soldier - Taking damage, firepower.
Turian Sentinel - Overload, taking damage.
Salarian Infiltrator - Guardian killing, reviving, objectives, possible Atlas killer, Centurion killer.
Asari Adept - Stasis for Phantoms mainly.

Asari Adepts are good at taking out Guardians too. I can probably kill one in about three seconds with Throw and a few headshots. Also, Stasis + Warp is good crowd control, since everyone nearby will be frozen.

Modifié par Assumedkilla, 23 février 2012 - 04:31 .

[zoNiklv]

Have to agree, Squad of Asari Adepts beats the hell out of everything =)

[Berkilak]

PikkuKananen wrote...

DoctorTurkleton wrote...

drell vanguard? ...effective?

45 000 points on silver and bronze pretty much every game. Or isnt that enough?

They work. But play a human and tell me that they aren't leagues more effective.

[Berkilak]

PikkuKananen wrote...

Chriss0978 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Cluster frags don't knock enemies down, they kill them. Well usually, on gold they might leave one last shot to take at the enemies, and they will be at least staggered. These frags are actually very powerful, the only problem is that they are VERY limited.

But Charge=>Frag to the face=>Dead phantom

There it is then. Nova has no limit or cooldown. Perhaps said frag does more damage than a Nova?

I dont know the damage of nova but the damage of grenades is something like 1000-2000 sorry cant remember more exact number, and the power is 2000

You can't spam grenades.