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[monrapias]

I don't get why you people are so upset. It was stated months before that the CE would get extra content, and now you're mad because people who didn't order the CE can actually buy it? I would have understood it if someone who ordered the Ce got mad because it's no longer exclusive, but this is just bullsh*t.

[Brohammed]

I will no longer be paying for ME3.

[theWarmaster]

I agree with everyone who agree with this boycott. However I will not cancel my pre-order of the Collector Edition... HOWEVER I still disprove of what is going on here and even though I wont cancel my pre-order I will still stand by with everyone on this because it's ridiculous.

Theres 3 options you can do to fix this honestly:
1) Do exactly what you did with ME2 with the Cerberus Network(except called something else for ME3 like the Alliance Network or something)
2) Release it as is BUT allow access to everyone to download it for free only in the first month and with a legal copy of ME3. After 1 month re-release it to the public as a DLC for what ever price you deem it.
3) Take away the option period to buy it for a month or so HOWEVER those that pre-ordered the game get it for free. All new copies that were not pre-ordered will have to buy it later when it's released.

Well I'm sure they're better ways to deal with this, but honestly BioWare... You screwed up on this one. You've literally dug yourself a hole and jumped in it and flooded it with toxic waste.

I hope for the sake of your fans, your company, and your creditability you can fix this so everyone will be happy including your selves. I love your games and I know you can do this and make it right. I hope to see this get resolved soon.

[Nomen Mendax]

I really don't get these calls to boycott games when you don't like the pricing model (or just the price). I can see calling for a boycott if they were using child labour to make the game, or torturing small furry animals to make cool sound effects.

If you don't like the price, then don't buy the game, but please leave boycotts for unethical behaviour -- and you won't be able to convince me that charging you more money than you like for some entertainment software is unethical.

[Ardoreal]

As soon as ME3 is available for Steam, I will purchase it. Otherwise, boycott.

[Arkalezth]

And I don't get people who need to see animal torture or baby eating to consider something unethical or disrespecful to customers.

This isn't only because of the day 1 DLC, it's because of the whole EA's policy. I very much respect Bioware as a game developer (probably my favorite company), but not EA as a game publisher. I mean, sure, they certainly know how to make money, but not how to make customers happy, and in the long run that can, and will, backfire.

I, for once, don't like impositions and have no intention of installing Origin, so for now you can count me in for the boycot simply because of that, without going further.

[Nomen Mendax]

Arkalezth wrote...

And I don't get people who need to see animal torture or baby eating to consider something unethical or disrespecful to customers.

This isn't only because of the day 1 DLC, it's because of the whole EA's policy. I very much respect Bioware as a game developer (probably my favorite company), but not EA as a game publisher. I mean, sure, they certainly know how to make money, but not how to make customers happy, and in the long run that can, and will, backfire.

I, for once, don't like impositions and have no intention of installing Origin, so for now you can count me in for the boycot simply because of that, without going further.

I just don't see how what they are doing with day 1 DLC is unethical.  They've told you they are doing it, and they've told you the price, now it's your choice if you buy the product.  For what its worth I can understand why people might be unhappy about it, it's just the self-righteousness of calling for a boycott that I don't understand.

And, by the way, having to install Origin irritates me a lot more than the Day 1 DLC, for example this really annoys me:

In addition to information that you give EA directly, EA collects non-personally identifiable (or anonymous) information for purposes of improving our products and services, providing services to you, facilitating the provision of software updates, dynamically served content and product support as well as communicating with you.  The non-personally identifiable information that EA collects includes technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address) and operating system, as well as information about your Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware.  As noted above, this information is gathered periodically for purposes such as improving our products and services, troubleshooting bugs, and otherwise enhancing your user experience.

Since the majority of people won't read the License Agreement, this is much more underhanded than anything to do with DLC.

[Arkalezth]

Exactly, that is unethical and one of the main reasons why I dislike EA. Other than that, I don't like how some DLCs are handled (some are fine, but others really feel like cut content and part of the main game). Those DLCs are not what irritates me the most, but don't help either.

I don't want to go much into detail here, just signing as an unhappy customer.

[fergus42]

A game should on release feature all that the developers have worked towards.

Aesthetic addons to include in deluxe/collectors editions is fine, maybe even the odd weapon/armour packs the industry has fallen in love with.

But to the extent in which major plot is refused to those skinflints who only buy their normal version of the game (remember Mass Effect has an excellent story and the majority of people play it for the story) is ridiculous. I for one was greatly looking forward to the story! And I want to know about what will presumably be now revealed in the DLC.

The problem is that the game is being released with content denied to customers. You make the game, release it, then if you make extensions and addons AFTER, fine, let the punters buy them to keep the game going. On release is blatant capitalist money grabbing without a care on concern for their customer base! Boycott should become EA's most hated word or Precedent will become their favourite.

EA? Work out your customer service. I don't pay my electricity bill then have to pay extra once it clears so I can make toast when I expected it in the main payment.

[xI extremist Ix]

Don't buy it?

[Arkalezth]

That was the plan.

[GBF]

Reading these posts is so frustrating. Casey Hudson just confirmed on his twitter that From Ashes was developed after the game was sent for certification. Nothing was cut from the main game, but you people only see and hear what you want to. You're boycotting them because they worked hard and fast enough to have this DLC content available on launch instead of a month or two after.

It's sad. I feel sorry for everyone who worked on that DLC to get it done in time for launch; they probably thought the community would be excited, and all they got were hisses and boos, and demands that their hard work be distributed for free.

[DarkGin87]

GBF wrote...

Reading these posts is so frustrating. Casey Hudson just confirmed on his twitter that From Ashes was developed after the game was sent for certification. Nothing was cut from the main game..

He is lieing, a serect character was revealed last june as part of the CE.

He is trying to calm the flame wars

there is no way they just decided to make a character in the last 3 month since they announced one for the CE when you could pre order it

Modifié par DarkGin87, 23 février 2012 - 09:48 .

[GBF]

Yeah okay, Dale.

[Joessit]

ME3 will be my last Bioware game.

[Merix]

GBF wrote...

Reading these posts is so frustrating. Casey Hudson just confirmed on his twitter that From Ashes was developed after the game was sent for certification. Nothing was cut from the main game

Please explain these file names (from the demo) that were included WITH THE DEMO that was from code that was developed months ago.


"BioH_Prothean_00.pcc"
"BioH_Prothean_00_Explore.pcc"
"BioH_Prothean_00_Explore_LOC_INT.pcc"
"BioH_Prothean_00_LOC_INT.pcc"


All other player characters have the same 4 files. Why would they be included in the DEMO if he was not slated to origionally be a playable character?

[monrapias]

Alot of you sound like spoiled kids.

[ACF76]

You all say you will boycott but you all know you will buy it on day 1. Stop lying to yourselves. 

[Montana]

Say you buy a new car, then discover that power windows aren't included in the base model.
Does that mean that you don't get the complete car?
Or that because Power windows are avalable when the car is produced, it should automatically be included in the base model?

Say you're going to buy a DvD, and find out that for $10 extra you can buy the "Extended directors cut" of the same movie.
The footage was most likely shot at the same time as the rest of the movie. Do you boycott the movie? Aren't you getting the whole movie if you buy the normal DvD?

This business model is used everywhere and BioWare/EA decided that this companion would be an extra option.

It's there, therefore it must be free mentality concerning games is really strange, when it's accepted nearly everywhere else...

[Nohvarr]

Merix wrote...

GBF wrote...

Reading these posts is so frustrating. Casey Hudson just confirmed on his twitter that From Ashes was developed after the game was sent for certification. Nothing was cut from the main game

Please explain these file names (from the demo) that were included WITH THE DEMO that was from code that was developed months ago.


"BioH_Prothean_00.pcc"
"BioH_Prothean_00_Explore.pcc"
"BioH_Prothean_00_Explore_LOC_INT.pcc"
"BioH_Prothean_00_LOC_INT.pcc"


All other player characters have the same 4 files. Why would they be included in the DEMO if he was not slated to origionally be a playable character?

They did the same thing with Kasumi and Zaeed. They planned ahead, knew they wanted to do certain characters but only had so much time to get everything else finished and polished for the games full release. However some of those DLC assets are set up and ready to go, and were used when he finally finished Zaeed, Kasumi and Lair of the Shadow Broker. Same thing here.

[Arkalezth]

Tony77A wrote...

Say you buy a new car, then discover that power windows aren't included in the base model.
Does that mean that you don't get the complete car?
Or that because Power windows are avalable when the car is produced, it should automatically be included in the base model?

Say you can only buy the car at one place and only if you let some guy to go to your house and register everything. Wouldn't you mind? And if someone else was in the same situation and refused to allow that, would you defend that salesman?

I said that some DLCs feel like cut content. Does that mean that they were done at the same time as the vanilla game? Not necessarily, nor I care much about that detail. What I mean is that DLC should be extra, non-main content. I didn't feel that Kasumi was part of the main story, and so I consider it, along with things like the Firepower pack, a valid DLC.

On the other hand, YMMV, but LotSB felt like a part of the main game to me. The game feels incomplete without it to me, whereas I don't get that feeling with Kasumi, Zaeed, Firepower, or even Overlord and Arrival. That's what I mean by "cut content", regardless of when it was developed or released. Using your example, say that, after watching that extended DVD, you feel like those extra scenes were crucial or a very important part of the story.

Some may disagree and I'm fine with that, but I don't see what makes some people be so defensive about EA and disrespectful against other, less conformist people who decide to refrain from giving more money to them. We're all in the same boat here, if EA sees me as a wallet, why would I want to defend them from other customers' complaints?

ACF76: As I said, I have no intention to install Origin in my computer. I couldn't care less if you believe it or not, but maybe EA cares about the money of a bunch of potential customers who refuse to buy the game in protest to their policy.

Anyway, I think I'll be leaving this discussion, as I said, my only intent was, as many others have done, to express my refusal to buy more EA products, at the very least, until Origin isn't mandatory.

[GBF]

I sure hope nobody lights a match in this thread because all these strawmen are likely to create a raging inferno that even California would be proud of.

[OneDrunkMonk]

From what I understand, what Casey said was that during the roughly 3 months from game finish to press to disc BioWare works on DLC. If the DLC is ready within that 3 months it is made available on main game release day. Those who spend the extra bucks and order the CE get the content free otherwise it's an extra $10. Seems fair enough (though I question if the DLC is worth 1/6th the main game value). The content doesn't seem crucial to the main story. I suppose like the Kasumi's Greybox DLC was for ME2. So I really don't see the issue.

I see why gamers would be angered in the sense that the gaming industry has taken on the model of micro-transactioning gamers to death, bleeding them dry for every last penny by holding back content that should have been in the original game purchased. I don't really see this being the case here. Yeah EA ****s out video games like Disney does their animated films (still waiting on his and hers Mass Effect bath towels and electric toothbrush), but if gamers want to buy it then I see no harm. In the end I hope that all this extra money generated goes into the video game's quality and not merely straight into shareholder's pockets.

Modifié par OneDrunkMonk, 24 février 2012 - 04:38 .

[PsiFive]

Nomen Mendax wrote...

And, by the way, having to install Origin irritates me a lot more than the Day 1 DLC...

This. I can understand why they don't want to use Steam again because after all it's owned by Valve and they're competitors, but Jeez I wish they would take a good hard look at it and realise that a lot of customers will prefer it to Origin. Case in point: just after Christmas I bought five games from Steam, including ME1 & 2 which were on offer, and also all the DLC for Deus Ex:HR. Purchase of that lot took minutes... add each to basket, checkout, Paypal, tee up downloads, leave computer to it and go to bed. Easy as.

And then I start playing the ME series and want to add DLC, and first thing I find is that BDtS is buried so deeply in the website that it takes longer to find than some of the fetch quest assignments. Annoying, but okay, old game and my fault for not getting into it till now. But then comes the ME2 DLC, and here I am wanting to pay in these funny things called doll-ars that BioWare/EA seem not to be aware of because they'll only take some in house scrip they call BioWare points. This meant buying enough points for all the DLC I want, which turned out not to leave points left over but required buying three packs of points, all of which needed to be bought separately because you can't simply add them all to a basket and pay for them together. Oh, and it didn't play nice with Paypal either. And then finally I can get the DLC I want, though again it's not so much "OK, I'll take that one, that one, that one, that one and *that* one, and here's thirty bucks or so two or three thousand BioWare point(less)s" as "I'll take that one and here's the points" times 5.

Why's it need to be so hard and frustrating that it makes me want to fire up ME just so I can go shoot Space Monkeys in the face? No idea, but after that experience reading that everything to do with ME3 is only coming out via Origin just puts me off buying it because it seems like they don't know how to do online buying so that it's a pleasure for the customer rather than a chore and are too proud/protectionist to sell it via someone who does know. Money? Fine, so charge a little more for Steam purchases, BioWare. I put a dollar value on my time and don't mind paying a little more for smooth and quick online payments because - and this is something I'm astonished a game company doesn't understand in its bones - I want to use my free time playing the game rather than fighting a system that only lets me buy it plus DLC a chunk at a time. I'd have happily paid a dollar or two more for each of the ME2 DLC packs if I could have bought them from Steam at the same time as biuying the game. Honestly, I really would. Unless Origin is going to be a complete and unashamed copy of Steam, which from downloading the ME3 demo it seems it isn't, I fear the worst. Honestly, it's like having a bricks and mortar store which made you climb through an upper window to get in and out rather than just open the front door.

I'm not boycotting as such but I'm a lazy customer when it comes to computer games and if the seller makes buying difficult I'm inclined to tell them to rack off and I'll go buy something else. In fact it's not a boycott at all as I'll probably still buy ME3 to because I'm into the story now. I was even going to go buy it from a store on a disc just to avoid Origin, but now I've found that even that will put Origin on anyway. It's looking like I'll buy it and use Origin only for ME3 stuff and then never again.

So I'm now in the odd position of looking forward to the game but really not looking forward to the experience of buying it. I won't pirate it because I make my own living creating copyrighted material and because I really don't mind the gaming industry making profits - that's just how business works and I'm fine with it. But I'd point out that the more difficult it is for people to buy any desirable product legitimately the more they end up turning to illegal sources - that's just how people work. Like I said, I won't pirate it and I don't advocate pirating it or anything else, but sadly it looks to me like BioWare's/EA's business model unintentionally encourages piracy over legitimacy. 

Long rant for a newbie. Apologies.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

If you want to waste years of game time and enjoyment over a DLC character (who is not required for a perfect ending and adds virtually nothing new to the existing story) then more power to your loss. I bought the last two games, tailored my Shepard to Paragon Perfection and enjoyed the ride. I'm seeing this through to the end. I don't need a Prothean squadmate. No one does really. Unless he has a Reaper Self destruct button in his hand when you pick him up, he is completely useless in the long run. Just another guy who wants to ride on your coat tails as you save the galaxy.