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***A CALL TO BOYCOT ME3***


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#51
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Nohvarr wrote...

Merix wrote...

GBF wrote...

Reading these posts is so frustrating. Casey Hudson just confirmed on his twitter that From Ashes was developed after the game was sent for certification. Nothing was cut from the main game


Please explain these file names (from the demo) that were included WITH THE DEMO that was from code that was developed months ago.


"BioH_Prothean_00.pcc"
"BioH_Prothean_00_Explore.pcc"
"BioH_Prothean_00_Explore_LOC_INT.pcc"
"BioH_Prothean_00_LOC_INT.pcc"


All other player characters have the same 4 files. Why would they be included in the DEMO if he was not slated to origionally be a playable character?


They did the same thing with Kasumi and Zaeed. They planned ahead, knew they wanted to do certain characters but only had so much time to get everything else finished and polished for the games full release. However some of those DLC assets are set up and ready to go, and were used when he finally finished Zaeed, Kasumi and Lair of the Shadow Broker. Same thing here.


Yeah, the only problem with this "just placeholders cause added in late" theory was the Prothean aspect was an integral part of the storyline within the leaked beta months ago (November 2011).  It's a credible argument to have thrown in placeholders a week or two before the game launch.  It's not a very credible argument to say we thought of that months ahead but didn't work on the development...oh wait nevermind it will be ready day of launch.  I'd say: Planned within weeks of launch and not developed: OK.  Planned months prior to launch as being part of the story, then removed: Not okay.

The people who seem to be defending Bioware on this are simply repeating Casey's poor, but understandable, attempt at damage control.  Since obviously he's not a disinterested party, it's kind of foolish to take anything he and the Bioware PR department state at face value.  Instead, it is better to look at how such issues were handled in the past.  Here I am thinking of the leaked beta itself.  Remember Bioware's reaction?  "That was a really old script, it was accurate at one point in time but it's going to change a lot the closer we get to release."  When I heard that I laughed, because the development investment had already been made and changing anything would be extra expense with little corresponding revenue increase.  I bet, when I read that, that what we'll see would be 95% the same as what was in the leak.  Well, judging by the demo just released, I was wrong - it is 99% the same.  For example on the "escape from earth" introduction, I think only one dialogue line was different from the leaked beta (Anderson mentioning the Batarian relay was changed).  The krogan female scene was the same except they hid the free exploration of the Salarian base.

My point here is that don't just take the damage control PR people are trying to do at face value, instead pay more attention to what they've said in the past and how true that has been.  Therefore when they say "the Prothean wasn't finished in time" yet it had been written it into the script months ago, and two pieces of data we've seen on the script changed hardly at all despite Bioware's word that it was going to, pretty much lends credibility that the Prothean aspect had been part of the game all along and then was removed at some point because they knew almost everyone would buy it for a more complete story.

To be honest, I give Bioware benefit of the doubt on this that it smells more like something EA came down and told them to do, similar to how I think EA told them to try and make Dragon Age 2 appeal to more of the third-person shooter crowd to grab more top line.  Sometimes things that should work when you crunch numbers in Microsoft Excel don't pan out as planned when you ****** off the core audience you take for granted.

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I already pre orderd the CE for PC... Sorry, I will not cancel the pre-order. I have to Finish Shepard's story. But believe me I feel the same way. Charging 10$ for a same day DLC makes me sick!

After ME3, I am done. It will be the last Bioware game I ever purchase. EA's greed has has destroyed a once great and respected company. What a real shame...

Modifié par SyphonFilterOZ9, 24 février 2012 - 07:48 .


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To everyone against BioWare for this:

GROW UP.

You think this isn't fair, well here's a bit of advice that is usually told to a child: LIFE ISN'T FAIR. Get over it. You don't want to pay, then don't ****ing pay. It's pretty simple. You don't like that and think it should be free, do us all a favor and step down from your high horse of entitlement and come back to reality where in an economy that continues to get worse, you gotta pay for **** you want.

This is a ****ing game. If you want to stick it to the man so bad, boycott the damn oil industry for the rising gas prices. The world we live in is becoming more and more expensive and this is an example. You don't like it? Don't buy it.

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The original leaked script is irrelevant, given the fact that the final product has the Prothean as a non-integral element. Bringing it up is pointless.

Also, the number crunchers are almost certainly right in this case, too. Any drop in sales of the game will probably be insignificant, especially compared to the additional revenues they get from charging for "From Ashes" instead of making it free. It's kind of ironic, "victory through sacrifice" seems to be the theme for ME3 in both a story, and a business sense. A few irate customers will boycott, but revenues rise and EA/Bioware win in the end. Great success, Renegade +5!

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Also, this picture sums things up pretty well

http://i.imgur.com/m77S3.png

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Well, forgive me for resorting to the cliche, but pre-order cancelled, of course.

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It's funny how one little piece of misinformation, based on nothing more than speculation, can be placed on a pedestal as a cause for a boycott.

Then again, this is the BSN.

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No boycott for me... I'm too invested. That and its ridiculous to boycott over optional content for a product that is non-essential for the continuation for your existence.

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Just checking, as i haven't been around in a while

This "Day 1 DLC" thing is the Collector's Edition exclusive, right?

If so, well, it's pretty shady to relegate something of such importance to DLC (on the day of release no less), to be sure. But I can't say I'm going to miss out on ME3 if I've already effectively bought this DLC through buying the CE. I guess I'll voice my opinion that this is kind of shystery on BW's part, but yeah. If I've basically already bought it, it's hard for me to decide that my most anticipated game of all time is the one I'm going to miss out on for the sake of principles.

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monrapias wrote...

I don't get why you people are so upset. It was stated months before that the CE would get extra content, and now you're mad because people who didn't order the CE can actually buy it? I would have understood it if someone who ordered the Ce got mad because it's no longer exclusive, but this is just bullsh*t.


Yes they want the same content as the people who bought the ce ...but for free. 

I also don't understand why somebody has to start a 'boycot' maybe for the attention

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"You want 50 $ sandwich? Here you go, do you want to pay 10$ for some cheese? Here you go. do you want to pay another 10$ for some ham? no? Then you cant have it, enjoy your piece of cheese"

it least i wont buy the game the first week it releases, all to show my attitude for this.

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Everyone who disagrees with this boycott should get his mind checked. It's obvious Bioware/EA is just cutting ESSENTIAL and LORE-RELATED content out of the game only to make more money out of it. Have so many people forgotten that Shepard actually was considered special right from the start due to his connection with the Protheans? I just can't believe how much of a blind tool some people are on here. Besides, delivering this content, which obviously contains valuable information and character interaction, only and specifically with the Collector's Edition (which is naturally more expensive) just reeks of capitalist opportunism. What's next? Getting a game which contains just the combat while, 'if you want to enrich your experience', you gotta piece the story together by buying separate pieces of DLC???

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The strawmen... They're multiplying and-OH MY GOD THEY HAVE FALLEN DOWN A SLOPE! The slope appears to have been covered with some kind of lubricating agent, causing it to be very slippery. Those poor, poor strawmen.

No but for real, boycotting because of misinformation and ignorance - especially when it's a game you really want to play - is childish and reeks of entitlement issues.

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If the DLC is good I will happily pay a paltry amount to have more things to do.
To many people ****ing and moaning about what they feel entitled to, Do not like it do not by it but really shut the hell up vote with your cash but for the love of good stop whining about it.

Preordered my CE many months ago, really this is no different to the DA:O Shale deal.

Modifié par Mrshilka, 24 février 2012 - 09:45 .


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It's the CE DLC, it's no different to the "online pass" being available for sale. I don't really count it as "day 1 DLC" personally.

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Mrshilka wrote...

If the DLC is good I will happily pay a paltry amount to have more things to do.
To many people ****ing and moaning about what they feel entitled to, Do not like it do not by it but really shut the hell up vote with your cash but for the love of good stop whining about it.

Preordered my CE many months ago, really this is no different to the DA:O Shale deal.


The DLC for Shale was free and came also with the standard version of Dragon Age: Origins. So there IS a difference.

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NasChoka wrote...

monrapias wrote...

I don't get why you people are so upset. It was stated months before that the CE would get extra content, and now you're mad because people who didn't order the CE can actually buy it? I would have understood it if someone who ordered the Ce got mad because it's no longer exclusive, but this is just bullsh*t.


Yes they want the same content as the people who bought the ce ...but for free. 

I also don't understand why somebody has to start a 'boycot' maybe for the attention



Because day 1 DLC is just the publisher nickle and dimeing you as much as they possibly can and it won't stop until people make a stand. It's an extremely shady business practice, its immoral, and extremely wrong especially in this economy. So many of the opponets to this are saying "vote with your wallets and stop crying", thats what this is. An organized attempt to vote with our wallets. Something needs to be done about this! EA is far too greedy and it needs to stop.

By any chance since you support this can I interest you in this game?

Modifié par Merix, 24 février 2012 - 01:48 .


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I totaly agree with those saying they went too far this time. They should have a little more respect for all the fans of Mass effect. Cutting the game in order to make more money, I can understand, but not this way, not the day of the release.
Bioware should give the DLC to all pre-orderers, or at least lower its cost to 5$. Protheans are a huge part of ME lore, and they are going to ruin it with this nonsense.

(Sorry if my english is wrong in some way; i'm French)

Modifié par Subzero94, 24 février 2012 - 02:12 .


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I am not cancelling my pre-order. It's the third and final game and at this point I am invested to play it all the way through. However, I will not buy any DLC for the game now. I bought the shadow broker DLC and thought that was a perfect addition that wasn't an integral part of the main story. I would have probably purchased at least one DLC otherwise.

Any contact with protheans should be considered pretty integral into the main story line and not some side quest. Therefore, I am buying an incomplete version of the game when I pre-ordered in good faith thinking I was getting the correct version(I understand DLCs are separate, but there are limits). They should have created a different character and DLC for the CE. I knew CE was given a new character and side quest beforehand. However, this is just different and they know it(regardless of the backtracking they are doing).

So while I am not cancelling, I swear to never buy any EA product again so that I am not stuck into being cheated once I am already a few games into the franchise.

Edit: Wow, just thought about how many EA titles I have bought over the years.

Modifié par jojojojojoasdfasdfw, 24 février 2012 - 05:17 .


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I have pre-ordered the CE, and I will not cancel this. EA are perfectly within rights, even if they ARE being terribly stingy (this whole boycott wouldn't have happened if this was released a month later).

But come on now. A PROTHEAN? That's out of order, and I'd have thought Bioware would realise this. This is not Zaeed (who, come to think of it, may be kinda important in ME3 what with his Blue Sun connections) but a PROTHEAN.

I'm not going to boycott the game over this, and I gain nothing from saying this, but come on now Bioware. Mass Effect is clearly one of if not THE most loved franchise by you? Yes, you're aren't going to please EVERYBODY with this game, but why get this attitude and make sure you don't please ANYBODY.

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No thank you.

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People in this thread: http://kotaku.com/58...ss-effect-3-dlc

Modifié par theflib, 24 février 2012 - 06:18 .


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I'm also in the bandwagon, times are tough and Mass Effect is one of the few games I was gonna buy with money I carefully saved up for. But this? Putting a price on something that is already done? and could have even made it on the game, and call it day 1 DLC? No thanks. Bioware I've been a big fan of all your games. And have bought most of them, but this I wont tolerate. Until this is resolved, I guess I wont be playing any mass effect 3.

And to the guy who said that we're mad cause we wan't something that's in the CE for free, is oblivious to the point. The CE already comes with it's own materials for the hardcore mass effect fans. Things that don't add any value into the game itself which is what I am paying for in the first place. But the minute they included the DLC to make the CE seem like it's of better value than the normal game is when they crossed the line.

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I've already cancel my CE pre-order. Will not be buying anymore bioware games. The nickel & dimeing DLCs was part of the reason. But mostly its the fact that I no longer trust bioware. The way they treat the complaining customers is disgraceful. You used to be able to rely on the fact that bioware actually cared about it's customers, even if EA don't. You can't trust EA/Origin to still allow you to access games you've spent money on. Mass Effect 1 is only 5 years old and it is no longer supported. Based on EA's past history, I don't see any support for the Mass Effect series 3 years from now.

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I can think of this two ways - no different from buying the basic version of something with some extras, or getting screwed over. The problem with games (and books and films and so on) is that they're naturally in a position to exploit the fact that you can't go and buy the same game from someone else who won't rip you off. If the supermarket did the same thing with a loaf of bread you'd just buy the loaf of bread from somewhere else.

What I don't really understand is people who have pre-ordered the CE complaining. You were paying extra that way and that was fine, but not people who pay extra some other way?

Edit to add: What I find more annoying are forcing stupid additional rubbish onto your computer like Origin in order to play even single player games. It really is getting away with giving you no option other than putting up with rubbish if you want to play.

FWIW I won't boycott ME3, I've already been suckered into that and will grit my teeth and put up with the rubbish. What I won't be doing is buying anything new - won't be missing out if I've not played it before, which for Bioware means that I won't give the Dragon Age games a shot. I had been considering it.

Modifié par Reorte, 24 février 2012 - 08:48 .