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[turianscantjunp]

Problem is ea/bioware are trying to see how people react, especially in the games industry how far can they push us from spending money on dlc, once they realise they can't ask for more( hit a plataue) then the cost will remain.

There are consumers out there who will be willing to pay the extra bit. Especially for the amount of playtime one gets from games like mass effect.

This is a bit of evolution in terms of the games franchise, experimenting on how much the average consumer is willing to pay for something, I'm sure that the majority of fans are disappointed but nonethelessless will still pay the extra because the game is still worth it in their eyes.

It's like teething pain, we just have to go with the majority for the time being because the prices being asked aren't extreme just yet.

Problem being how much of a price tag can we call extreme. Ultimately that will be decided again by the target market.

Ps I wouldn't be surprised to see more decisions like this being made in the games industry

[Rabbidsquirrel88]

Yate wrote...

The issue here is that they're not using DLC to make the game last longer. They releasing the DLC at the same time as the game. They're not keeping it fresh, they're just trying to soak up as much money as possible.

They make money!  Oh my gawd!  Let's get the pitch fork and torches! How dare they make money so they can produce quality entertainment!  I'm going to go buy my next game from that homeless guy who tries to wash my windshield on the street corner because he obviously knows what's up!.

I just don't see what the hate is all about. if you don't agree with day 1 DLc, vote your opinion with your wallet. think of Day 1 DLC as like buying the directors cut of a DVD or the blueray version instead of the standard def. If you don't want it, don't buy it.

Now if the on-disc content is 10 hours only... Then Id take issue. But seeing as previous releases have been 30-40 hours +, I'd assume this one is at least that long too. 

[Tealus The Original]

Rabbidsquirrel88 wrote...
I just don't see what the hate is all about. if you don't agree with day 1 DLc, vote your opinion with your wallet. think of Day 1 DLC as like buying the directors cut of a DVD or the blueray version instead of the standard def. If you don't want it, don't buy it.

Now if the on-disc content is 10 hours only... Then Id take issue. But seeing as previous releases have been 30-40 hours +, I'd assume this one is at least that long too. 

That's a bad example. A better example would be a blueray being released and a portion of the movie was intended to be in, but was blocked. You can see the blocked scene for an extra $10, oh there another scene you want to see, that's another $10. They're not releasing different "formats", it's one disc and parts of it is being blocked just for greed.

I don't understand someone who says "vote your opinion with your wallet" and then turns around and imply that you're being silly for voting with your wallet.

Jokes will be on you, when EA decides to stop supporting and those games slowly starts disappearing from your account. They don't support NWN or ME1 why would they support ME3 after the next 10 blockbusters that they produce in the next 3 years. Did you buy any DLC for NWN, did EA keep that record attached to your account. No they didn't. Only suckers believe that EA will do something different than what they've done in the past.

[Art3m]

 Boycot? Whait, BioWare intervened Afganistan or what? If not, I'm okay visiting Moscow Olympics playing the game.

[DeaconX]

Why I'm not against the DLC:

A little background: I'm currently working as a writer at a game company.  Previously, I was in a position at said company in the strategic marketing devision.  I've essentially been on both sides of the business.

BioWare has stated development of this DLC started too late to be included in the main game, as ME3 was 'finished' already.

While some people may have a negative reaction to the idea of Day 1 DLC or even DLC's in general, I'd just like to bring up one tiny thought to entertain...

DLC's keep people employed, working past completion of a game on a project they're likely passionate about.

And of course, DLC is optional content.  Personally I'm all for it and likely getting a CE, so access to it will be thrown in with my copy.

Cheers

[The Enforcer OS]

I'm pro Expansion DLC
I'm anti Day One / Pre Order Exclusive / Retailer Specific / Marketing Shenanigan DLC

Unfortunately in relation to the cause I'm not boycotting the whole game, only a portion of it due to lack of local MP inclusion. I will however boycott future ME / BW titles if this + DLC is setting the stage for how future games will be treated.

This DLC practice is not new however, since ME2 & Dragon Age underwent the same process. I don't think singling out ME3 is the solution as much as any game that practices these DLC methodologies.

[infinityx]

I will not cancel my pre-order and I will prob. buy that ****ing DLC on day 1, but I don't like it. They just want to squeeze as much money possible on the last ME game, and prob noone will buy the DLC that will come 2-3months after the release, I know I won't. So mybe thats why they are doing this.

But anyway cheer up, and play some GAMS*

[Wulfram]

I think it's more realistic to ask people skip buying the game on release, and not buy until the price comes by at least $10. People want to see the end of the series.

Modifié par Wulfram, 28 février 2012 - 11:22 .

[Ben Shep]

Sorry m8 but Im looking forward to this one too much!

[Chuzard]

TotalBiscuit talks more about ME3 in his newest Mailbox video:

skip to 1:56.

I'm with him on this one. I won't hate anyone who says they don't like the idea of mandatory Origin and Day1 DLC, but know that you're basically sending EA a message, saying that they can get away with this. I will take the risk of waiting for a GOTY edition that has everything included. Also, pirating is not the answer. That course of action will only result in more draconian DRM or worse. Much rather buy something from a competitor. I respect Bioware, but it's far more likely that I'll buy games from Valve or other companies instead.

Sincerely,
A disappointed fan.

Modifié par Chuzard, 29 février 2012 - 01:08 .

[Merix]

Also, pirating is not the answer. That course of action will only result in more draconian DRM or worse.

Problem is DRM only hurts the purchaser of the game. It doesn't do anything against people who pirate the game. I'm fully anti-DRM. DRM needs to be done away with, unfortunantly most publishers are doing the opposite and increasing DRM punishing customers and rewarding pirates. If I do ever buy ME3 if it goes on sale you can be sure I will download some form of no-origin crack for it ASAP.

[Shinji Ex]

Just buy the DLC later on
for your 2nd playthough you'll have "new content" to access

You don't have to buy DLC day 1 just buy it later on it's not like there is deadline on DLC whether you buy on the 1st or 30th etc.

In the end ME3 with all DLC will probably be about $30 which is about the average price of an Expansion

[batlin]

I'm not buying this game unless that DLC is included with the game, or at least becomes DLC like Zaeed where he's free with a new copy of the game.

Also I remember when this kind of topic would warrant an immidiate ban and the phrase "end of line"

Modifié par batlin, 29 février 2012 - 01:47 .

[The Enforcer OS]

DLC's purpose should be to expand not exploit.

Even though there is legit cause for Bioware to charge for DLC that cost them money to make, many people 'perceive' that charge for this DLC is a cash grab due to its proximity to release. If Bioware suddenly announced the DLC a month after the game came out people would respond to it differently. It's how these things are marketed that is causing an uproar.

@batlin, Stanly Woo said it could remain open as long as civil.

[batlin]

The Enforcer OS wrote...

DLC's purpose should be to expand not exploit.

Even though there is legit cause for Bioware to charge for DLC that cost them money to make, many people 'perceive' that charge for this DLC is a cash grab due to its proximity to release. If Bioware suddenly announced the DLC a month after the game came out people would respond to it differently. It's how these things are marketed that is causing an uproar.

@batlin, Stanly Woo said it could remain open as long as civil.

The nature of the DLC though is a vital part of the Mass Effect universe and the character was present in the leaked script way back. The DLC is not extra, it was stripped from the vanilla game to make an extra $10 off of people.

And on the onset of DA2's release, I got more than my fair share of "end of line" responses when I would make a topic disparaging the game. And yes, they were in no less civil manner than this topic is.

[ninjaturtle288]

Sign up another disappointed fan for the boycott.

[jlahnum]

Combining the day one DLC with the decision not to release the game via Steam and to require the addition of the Origin service which I do not want and do not need clogging up my computer and sadly I have to say I'm done with ME3 even before it launches.  It's too bad it's a great series and I was looking forward to bringing my Vanguard Shepard out of retirement.  Even the multi-player had me excited.  Not any longer though.  Sorry EA but your choices on this one are anti-customer and therefore means I am not purchasing this game or really any game from you until they change. 

[WiseWolf2011]

 The only issue I have with the DLC is that it is $10. DLC does not take long to make. It is relatively simple and fast to produce. I understand why it is available on day 1. Games take a while to make and take many teams of people. When one team finishes their work they go to work on something else. Also there is often a few months between the time the game is finished and when it is released. There is no reason not to work on DLC. Now the DLC being $10 is a little much for what they are giving us, however that depends what you value DLC at and how much entertainment cost since there is no standard of value. There is no reason for them not to make extra content for people.

How would you feel if the DLC was for collectors edition only?

Also, it is DLC of extra content. It is not necessary, you are not entitled to it, it did not subtract any development tme or resources of the main full game. I look forward to getting my collectors edition with the extra premium content I paid for. If you do not like the DLC then ignore the DLC but that is no reason to boycott the game. 

[soundwave145]

You all have a stronger will than i *sells out and buys game and day one dlc* dont look at me!

[Soapy010]

I completely agree with the people who boycot the game, though I won't do it myself. My desire to complete the last game of the trilogy is bigger than my hatred for this kind of marketing tactics. Oh, and are some people seriously believing everything Casey Hudson says?

[The Enforcer OS]

Soapy010 wrote...

I completely agree with the people who boycot the game, though I won't do it myself. My desire to complete the last game of the trilogy is bigger than my hatred for this kind of marketing tactics. Oh, and are some people seriously believing everything Casey Hudson says?

Same here, but shenanigans prevent future interest.

In relation to what?

[Reorte]

The nature of the DLC though is a vital part of the Mass Effect universe and the character was present in the leaked script way back. The DLC is not extra, it was stripped from the vanilla game to make an extra $10 off of people.

A script isn't the whole game, and it's possible that the DLC just gets the character and not the plot leading up to the character.

If the game cost $10 more and had this included I bet there wouldn't be nearly as many complaints. Complaining about having to use Origin is far more justified IMO.

[GBF]

Chuzard wrote...

TotalBiscuit talks more about ME3 in his newest Mailbox video:

skip to 1:56.

I'm with him on this one. I won't hate anyone who says they don't like the idea of mandatory Origin and Day1 DLC, but know that you're basically sending EA a message, saying that they can get away with this. I will take the risk of waiting for a GOTY edition that has everything included. Also, pirating is not the answer. That course of action will only result in more draconian DRM or worse. Much rather buy something from a competitor. I respect Bioware, but it's far more likely that I'll buy games from Valve or other companies instead.

Sincerely,
A disappointed fan.

Yeah, it does send a message that they can get away with this, and it's a message I'm happy to send. People work hard to produce this additional content for players, and the players spit in their faces and demand it for free. Disgusting, really. Still, as long as the content is produced, I'll buy it to show my support, if it's of the level of quality I've come to expect from AAA titles.

[Merix]

People work hard to produce this additional content for players, and the players spit in their faces and demand it for free. Disgusting, really. Still, as long as the content is produced, I'll buy it to show my support, if it's of the level of quality I've come to expect from AAA titles.

I "Work hard" to find oil for an oil company. I think the price of gas should go up because I work hard to find it. Would you support me too?

[LunaToned]

I don't usually respond to threads.. but when I do... I do it.. with Dos Equis... X_X

Good thing I'm getting the digital delux edition >