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[Steffin]

After trying the demo, hell no I'm not buying this game. The graphics, sounds effects look/sound like the original stuff from ME1 and ME 2. No innovation there. Especially for a $60 game?! No. The controls were clunky, scream console garbage as usual.  Typical modern day bioware console garbage.

And then add another $10 on top of that, that is a day one purchase of a PC game for $70 +tax.  Hell no hell no hell no. 

I can wait until this game is $20.  I'd rather spend money on an indy dev with original ideas where I actually get my monies worth. Beside, this will probably turn out to be another DA2.




 

Modifié par Steffin, 05 mars 2012 - 09:45 .

[WildcardCharlie]

Not boycotting but probably not buying From Ashes either. Just gonna have to tough it out without the...you know. Extra "thing."

[Kaedan94]

Merix wrote...

With the leak and subsequent announcement of Day 1 DLC for $10 I call upon everyone to boycot this game! Wasting development time to produce content to be payed for extra on day 1 is an EXTREMELY shady business practice and it won't stop untill we make a stand. I am calling out for everyone to boycot ME3 for this reason. We NEED to send them a message that we won't be exploited by refusing to buy one of their high budget AAA games or this trend will continue! Join me in NOT purchasing ME3!

It's not shady, and it's not exploitation.

The Collector's Edition comes with the "From Ashes" bonus content and a bunch of bonuses for $20 more than the basic version. 

However, some people would want the bonus content without all the extra bonus items.  So BW is making the bonus content available for $10, allowing those that don't want the bonus items to save $10. 

It's really no different than any other game that has had bonus content with it's CE or Preorder, and then later had it added as DLC (I think Infamous 2 followed this).  The only difference is they're letting you buy the bonus content right away instead of having to wait a couple months for it to become available. 

[Gringbot]

Boycotting for two main reasons:

First one being the day 1 DLC as well as the crazy amount of side DLC that adds to gameplay (the $800 or so price tag to "get it all"), second being forced to install Origin to play it.

Freaking. Ridiculous.

[hendoben]

I'm boycotting it as i don't like to play this game with a mouse and keyboard.

[1490]

Kaedan94 wrote...

It's not shady, and it's not exploitation.

The Collector's Edition comes with the "From Ashes" bonus content and a bunch of bonuses for $20 more than the basic version. 

However, some people would want the bonus content without all the extra bonus items.  So BW is making the bonus content available for $10, allowing those that don't want the bonus items to save $10. 

It's really no different than any other game that has had bonus content with it's CE or Preorder, and then later had it added as DLC (I think Infamous 2 followed this).  The only difference is they're letting you buy the bonus content right away instead of having to wait a couple months for it to become available. 

I wish people would read into these things before immediately jumping to judgment. Furthermore, I'll add:
-You don't need this DLC to play the game. It's a relatively minor addition to an already large game, so unless you are a diehard fan (in which case you probably bought the collector's ed. and got it anyway), it's not going to affect your play experience.
-Bioware released the Kasumi character download for $7 or $8 (can't remember) several months after the ME2 release. This is no different, except you don't have to wait. I didn't see people boycotting the game then.

Look, you can buy a car with plain upholstery or leather seats. You wouldn't boycott Hondas if the dealer told you that you had to pay extra for leather; you'd either decide to get leather or not.  This is being made into WAY too big of a deal.

[Kernels]

To continue the car analogy, you people getting up in arms should also remember that what's happened is like a car being put on-market without a spoiler because the aerodynamics weren't fully tested. This is just an extra bit of gameplay that was made as ME3 was being finalized (in terms of paper signing and liscence agreements) and not added because the game was already being shipped. You can either cry foul in ignorance, or pay heed to the explanation.

I don't relish the idea of using Origin, I think it's just a dumb cash-in on Steam's mass worship. Steam earned their place, Origin is EA ambling up to the cake and hogging the icing.

Other than that, I have no qualms about adhering to the business format that's been in place for years, since before DLC was a thing. My Digital Deluxe edition is making me happy, and I don't care about the extra £20 it cost me to have some forgettable cosmetics and a half-involved extra character. If you recall, Zaeed and Kasumi were about as integral as a leaf of watery cabbage. Anyone remember having conversations with them? One-sided, boring affairs, aside from Zaeed's monologue about his gun. So, I'm not expecting a lot from this Prothean, and neither should you be flipping the table to this extent.

[littlek]

GBF wrote...

I see nothing shady about this business practice. People sure like to be indignant about things, don't they? You realize, this could've been left as collector's edition-exclusive DLC and not released to people that bought the standard edition at all, right?

Anyone who boycotts this game over $10 in DLC that was developed after the full game was submitted for certification is being melodramatic, and/or possibly has some entitlement issues. Enjoy not playing a game you want to play in order to advance your cause, though. I can guarantee there are a thousand people buying it in blissful ignorance for every one that takes a stand.

I agree with this guy, I bought the CE because I thought I was getting exclusive content. They should have just left it for the CE that way people wouldn't **** as much and leave it for DLC a month or two after the game. Maybe that was their plan and some dude spilled it on over to the internet and they had no choice but to make it available at launch day. Either way I really dislike EA for what they are doing as a buisness practice but so long as their terrible ideas don't spill onto other publishers like Ubisoft then thats ok. I blame Gamestop for pissing of these companies because of their buy low sell high model, they have been screwing developers and publishers for years. Say thanks to Gamestop, EB games etc. Those are the stores that drove us into these harsh times. The Dark part of gaming has emerged. P.S. I will be playing my CE as soon as it get's here.

[Reorte]

I was going to tolerate it despite everything but what I read in the spoilers left me feeling sick and was enough to cancel my pre-order. Pity, I enjoyed the multiplayer part of the demo despite my preconceptions against it.

[LordNimon]

I won't be boycotting ME3, but I won't be buying a new copy either.  I was going to, but then I found out that I need an online pass to play the multiplayer component.

I'm already paying Microsoft an annual fee for Xbox Live.  I have no desire to use Bioware's servers for online access, since there are plenty of other Xbox games that provide multiplayer without needing special servers.  Therefore, it's unnecessary for Bioware to provide any server support.  So why should they charge $10?  Yes, I know that new copies of the game come with an online pass code, but that's beside the point.  I object to the very idea of an online pass for non-MMO games.

So I will buy a used copy and skip the multiplayer.  Because used copies don't come with a free online pass, the cost will automatically drop by $10.  

I also never buy DLC for any games.  The DLC for ME1 and ME2 has gotten pretty bad reviews, so I'm not missing out.

Sorry Bioware.  I would have gladly purchased a new copy of ME3, but your decision to require an online pass has changed my mind.  You will not get a dime from me, and I will still play the game.

[Reorte]

The DLC for ME1 and 2 has got bad reviews? Some of it's pretty good stuff.

[Jenetic]

I haven't read the other posts in this thread but wanted to say this in case anyone else has not. Casey Hudson tweeted a while back that the DLC was able to be released on day one because it was strictly digital content. It didn't have to go through typical approval and certification processes that the full game does before it can be duplicated and shipped.

The full game has to be complete a couple months before the release date so as to make time for that process and during that time they work on DLC. That way extra content can come out at the same time as the game.

What you are asking them to do is to not reap any benefits from that work they put in after the full game was complete. BioWare is a for-profit company you know. I don't think it's entitlement so much as ignorance that is responsible for that outlook on DLC. That's not an insult to anyone, just an observation.

[LEAFAR134]

Well I'm still going to play ME3 because I love the franchise and I wanna se how it ends, but if the dlc ends up lowering the quality of other bioware games to come, then I'll just stop buying them.

[carve]

I am wondering if any of you that are boycotting because of this reason ever thought of that you don't have to get the DLC the day it comes out. You can always wait to get it until you get more money to pay for it. And they don't force you to put in the Online pass to use EA's servers to actually play the game solo.

[Daripz]

*sigh* Gotta love a fanbase. Haha even though I'm getting the collector's edition I still feel a bit peeved for other gamers. Still in the long run it's DLC, don't have to buy it. you never have to buy DLC. Same with FPS DLC like map packs

Who.The.****.Actually.Buys.Those.

It's cuz people buy map packs that companies milk DLC. The only DLC I ever bought was for ME2. Just because I wanted to expand the story. (Probably won't buy ME3 DLC though, I just wanna do the story, kill the Reapers, etc). Hell I don't even have Xbox Live Gold cuz I personally think it's dumb.

Everyone has their opinion though. Personally I think Bioware should have released a few months later but with all the leaks even from I think January they were kind stuck. So they released it early. EA probably had a say as well. It IS a business after all. Musicians love making music but they SURE as hell want to get paid for it, at least the professionals anyway.

Same thing.

Buy the DLC later if you want. No one is pressuring you. Hell would you rather have sat on your ass waiting for it to come out? Like with Lair of the Shadow Broker and Arrival? People sat around like 'OMG THIS DLC WILL ROCK."

At least it's already out and when you get the money you can buy it. Sure it's a bit dirty to not put it in game when they should have... (my opinion) but at least they put it out there so when people who are interested in it can buy it whenever they want rather than sitting down, thumb up their ass for it.

I don't like it, but in the long run better now than waiting 3 months for it. :3

[dkohalloran]

I'm more boycotting because they completely betrayed fans loyal to the series and were lazy along the way.

[Jenetic]

Daripz wrote...

At least it's already out and when you get the money you can buy it. Sure it's a bit dirty to not put it in game when they should have... (my opinion) but at least they put it out there so when people who are interested in it can buy it whenever they want rather than sitting down, thumb up their ass for it.

I don't like it, but in the long run better now than waiting 3 months for it. :3

Now, I don't have any interest in defending BioWare as I don't own stock in EA or anything.  But objectively speaking, you do know why they didn't include the DLC in the game right?  It was not ready when they released the game.  As I said the game has to be done a couple months before release. 

If they waited and waited and waited to include every single piece of content they can dream up, they would never release the game.  And they have to make their release date for several reasons.

I think it's a bit unfair to say it's "dirty" to not include in the retail release content that was created after the main project was complete.   The only question here is whether or not we should have gotten the DLC for free or if it was right to have us pay for it.  And since it was not a part of the original project and it is optional, I see nothing wrong with paying for more content.  Afterall, it's simple supply and demand.  If the majority of customers feel it's a rip off and the cost is too high, the demand will be low....problem fixed.

Edit:  I do agree with you on most of your other points though and I understand where you're coming from.

Modifié par Dagasi, 07 mars 2012 - 04:45 .

[NGC1300]

Is this for real? Like freaking real?

It is a game. It is a shopping good. You buy it for nothing else but a fun, entertainment. Buying entertainment is like buying luxurious goods. You're 'willing' to waste your money in the first place. Need I explain more? You don't have to eat it to survive. There's no law forcing you to buy it. And no your cars don't run on gaming either. Why do you have to make it sound soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo freaking important to your life?

It's a totally unnecessary good. Don't wanna waste money? Don't buy it, there are people who are going to buy it. You get furious about what you don't get? Totally understandable. But this is nothing new. It's a game but it's also a business. They don't eat **** to make this game for you. They have a rightful right to get as much profit as they want and you also have the right to not buy it. There's no obligation tied between Bioware and you. So why making it sound like a big deal?

I've been a fan of this game since the first day ME came out. never played any DLCs yet I'm still alive and still a true fan at heart.

wake up, you're taking a game like it's a freaking part of your life!

god, I must be hallucinating.

[Ranor]

I too am doing a temporary boycott, the DLC is about £10, ergo I will wait until either the DLC goes down in price or the games goes down by £10 so then I'm paying for the full game and not just most of it with a -very- important piece of story missing from it.

Now they have done free DLC before that went with the games launch rather than pricing it, DA1 did just this. And heck it encouraged people not to pirate it or buy it second hand so EA/BW got more money from the games overall sales.

Modifié par Ranor, 07 mars 2012 - 03:40 .

[Wynter Storm]

DLC not important to me. What is keeping me from ME3 is Origin. Bad enough to have Steam, I don't want another nosy DRM cluttering up my hard drive. So, if ME3 doesn't come out on Steam and on a great sale, it's "no sale" for me.

[Solmanian]

so I checked the pricing for ME2 DLC's. 2$ for item packs, about half of them purely cosmetic and has no actual gameplay advantage over what's allready in the original game. 7$ for mission packs (might seem alittle steep, but u cant say they didn't have content),aprox like one of the recruiting missions in scale, and had no actual bearing on the main plot. Top of the list was shadow broker with 10$, which featured unique bosses and exclusive gameplay changes, aswell as allowing u to get together with liara (if u r into that sort of thing), and gave access to the shadow broker ship (which allowed u to retrain comp abilities, and added alot of background information on your team). pricing seem pretty reasonable overall. If "from ashes" will be in the same scale of the LoSB, I really don't see any reason for complaints, or bans. If u want a company to develop extra content, u need to make it worth their while. Bioware isn't some mom and pa business, dealing out of Dr.Mazuka garage, and make DLC's in their spare time. A company that size need an influx of cash to make triple-A games; that not fanboyism, just realism. This DLC is given as a bonus to those who bought DDE's and CE's. Why shouldn't DDE and CE buyers not get better treatment than those that bought the SE? It's called "standard" for a reason, as in just the game with no extras. If extra content was that importent to you, you should've bought the DDE... If bioware makes an "Awakening" style expansion to explore the aftermath of the reaper invasion, it would make me very happy.

Disclaimer: I bought the DDE, only possible remorse is not getting the CE...

[J.Random]

Well, I didn't boycott it, I preordered it. But I will not buy anything else from EA or Bioware, because I won't buy anything from racists. See, I'm russian. I've bought the game through Origin and it was never mentioned that the game will be russian-only. But after the DL finished, game title changed to "RU Only" and all in-game language options are grayed-out. I contacted support and they told me this: if you buy a game from russian IP, you'll get cut-off version. I always wanted to live in ghetto, thank you.

[K_Tabris]

I have decided to finish up the Mass Effect series. If the story isn;t all that great, at least the gameplay is incredibly fun.

From now on, I am only buying what Gaider and Laidlaw put out, though. That is all that is left of the good of Bioware, imo.

[Joy Divison]

NovinhaShepard wrote...


From now on, I am only buying what Gaider and Laidlaw put out, though. That is all that is left of the good of Bioware, imo.

That's not exactly encouraging news...