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[Oldbones2]

I'm starting to wonder if Bioware sees the plot and story of ME 2 as one giant gaping pile of **** that they just want to forget about.  It seems like the only thing carrying over to the next game will be the combat system. 

Examples;

1. Suicide mission did nothing to stop the Reapers. 
- At the time, we were assured that stopping the collectors was essential to the safety of the galaxy.  However even with total success, the Reapers arrived at Earth regardless only 6 months later.  If you hadn't performed the mission, the only thing that would have happened is that the Reapers would (maybe) have finished putting together another Reaper in time for the war.
+ I understand that the Reapers would have backup plans, and probably wouldn't sit still while the galaxy is becoming more and more aware of them, but I can't even take my evidence to the council at the end of the game and say 'Hey., I was right.  We need to get our **** together.'

2.  Cerberus flip-floping
- In ME 1 Cerberus was bad, and you knew it, and in a game with tons of choices, you NEVER had the option to side even a little bit with Cerberus.  Cut to ME 2 and Cerberus is morally questionable, and you MUST work with them.  And now in ME 3 they are the bad guys again and any association you had was dissolved.
+ I never wanted to work with Cerberus, (my shep is sole survivor) but I did and I want that to really be felt in ME 3, I want to regret that choice, not have it seem like it never happened.

3.  ME 2 Squad sidelined and minimized.
- Not one of the ME 2 squad returns as a squadmate, or even as just a advisor on the Normandy.  Some of the Normandy crew are gone as well.  I've heard that Kelly may not return as your yeoman.  I never loved Kelly, but why replace a valid character with depth and background just to establish a new one.
+ Aside from pissing off certain fans, this begs the question of why?  Why would absolutely NONE of the characters return in a way that was truly noticable, much less essential?

4. Final choice of ME 2 doesn't effect ME 3
- Whether you smash the Collector base or give it to TIM, Cerberus uses it to create hybrid soldiers.
+  This was the biggest choice of the game, like whether or not you saved the council which effected how Humanity was viewed in ME 2.  And yet as far as I can tell, it has almost no impact.


  While there were several thing in ME 2 I found to be inconsistant or irritating, overall I enjoyed the plot, the characters and the whole story.  But as far as I can tell, ME 3 is bending over backward to be ME 1 conpliant while barely paying lip service to ME 2.

I didn't pay hundreds of dollars and waste tons of my time for the whole middle section of this story not to matter.  Why isn't there any impact from ME 2?  NO.  Why isn't there a HUGE impact from ME 2?  It's like Bioware secretly hates this game and anyone who plays it.

Discuss.

[izmirtheastarach]

I disagree with everything you just said, point by point. You are wrong about the impact and will be proven so when the game is released. I know this to be the case, through the magic of spoilers.

DISCUSSED!

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 23 février 2012 - 12:48 .

[cookman43]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

I disagree with everything you just said, point by point. You are wrong about the impact and will be proven so when the game is released. I know this to be the case, through the magic of spoilers.

DISCUSSED!

agreed, everything, decisions, consequences all come into play for the third one.  not going to spoil anything but your definatly wrong

[xCardim]

I don't want to believe that ME2 was a waste of time, so i'm faithful that ME3 will put everything together.

[shepard1038]

A lot of decisions from me2 matter than most people believe.

[vkt62]

Though you make some valid points, I will reserve judgement until after ME3.

Modifié par vkt62, 23 février 2012 - 02:04 .

[kleindropper]

I never played ME1 so I hope ME2 matters.

[killerteeth]

Is Bioware ashamed of ME 2?

They should be.

[shepard1038]

killerteeth wrote...

Is Bioware ashamed of ME 2?

They should be.

Whiner.

[MyIntentions]

False with the none of the ME2 squad returns buddy... Garrus is back if he survived

[redbaron76]

So is tali if she survived and all other ME 2 characters make cameo appearances.

[izmirtheastarach]

MyIntentions wrote...

False with the none of the ME2 squad returns buddy... Garrus is back if he survived

Both Garrus and Tali. And of course every single squadmate who survives will return in the game in some way.

[Stokie Stallion]

I love mass effect 2, getting to know the crew after every mission. Wasn't much for thane at first but i love his sense of honour and relgion. Grunt is just the boss, garrus i love that guy, jack is your typical teenage girl and miranda early 20's. Plus the different ways you can lose any of them during the final mission!! oh and dont forget legion!!! you learn alot abotu the geth from him.

Maybe it is just a stepping stone but after mass effect one the reapers were a little annoyed at shepard and humans, but after mass effect 2 i think they just went full rage mode and plotted a course for earth. I loved it lmao Problem reapers?

[MyIntentions]

redbaron76 wrote...

So is tali if she survived and all other ME 2 characters make cameo appearances.

Im talking about as a squad mate. Sorry I didn't make it clear. Garrus is for sure a squad mate. Tali we dot know yet. She probably will be though.

[Fenton]

I think the choices matters in ME 2 that will affect ME 3. I am going to put in some spoilers so if you haven't played the game please do so and play it.



- Mordin's loyality mission with the Genophage.
- That ugly Collector's Base what you did with it. Bioware did state turning over to Cerebus is a bad idea.
- Garrus and Tali only squadmates a few people posted depends if you kept them alive or not.
- The Suicide mission did was stop the Collector's from helping the Reapers's Human Reaper Production. Yes the Human Reaper we all fought.


So yeah I tihnk it matters to me. So wait til the game is out before reserving judgement I'd say.

[scpulley]

redbaron76 wrote...

So is tali if she survived and all other ME 2 characters make cameo appearances.

This is really what annoys me about ME 3 from all the spoilers and leaks I've seen, unless they significantly changed things for the final game, it's pretty clear they heavily favored the ME 1 characters. No, I don't care the characters could die, it doesn't take that much to at least have the LI have a chance on the squad considering they allowed Garrus and Tali through. I like those characters, but really they are the only ones? I guess LI in ME 2 don't mean much other than they likely get to dump you in most cases in ME 3.

[izmirtheastarach]

scpulley wrote...

redbaron76 wrote...

So is tali if she survived and all other ME 2 characters make cameo appearances.

This is really what annoys me about ME 3 from all the spoilers and leaks I've seen, unless they significantly changed things for the final game, it's pretty clear they heavily favored the ME 1 characters. No, I don't care the characters could die, it doesn't take that much to at least have the LI have a chance on the squad considering they allowed Garrus and Tali through. I like those characters, but really they are the only ones? I guess LI in ME 2 don't mean much other than they likely get to dump you in most cases in ME 3.

All of the romances have a conclusion, it just won't be quite the same as the one you'll see for an actual squadmate.

[valkulon]

HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

[scpulley]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

scpulley wrote...

redbaron76 wrote...

So is tali if she survived and all other ME 2 characters make cameo appearances.

This is really what annoys me about ME 3 from all the spoilers and leaks I've seen, unless they significantly changed things for the final game, it's pretty clear they heavily favored the ME 1 characters. No, I don't care the characters could die, it doesn't take that much to at least have the LI have a chance on the squad considering they allowed Garrus and Tali through. I like those characters, but really they are the only ones? I guess LI in ME 2 don't mean much other than they likely get to dump you in most cases in ME 3.

All of the romances have a conclusion, it just won't be quite the same as the one you'll see for an actual squadmate.

From what I've seen I wouldn't exactly say it's even remotely close. Most of them, in my opinion, ending pretty badly unless you like tradegies just goes to the OP's point. ME 2 characters mostly got the shaft because the game was largely kept in a box minus a few key things.

[izmirtheastarach]

scpulley wrote...

From what I've seen I wouldn't exactly say it's even remotely close. Most of them, in my opinion, ending pretty badly unless you like tradegies just goes to the OP's point. ME 2 characters mostly got the shaft because the game was largely kept in a box minus a few key things.

I can only think of one tragedy. And of the 9 romance option in the previous games, 5 are in your squad. I understand why people might be miffed if those 5 aren't their personal choice, but 5 or 9 seems like a decent amount to me.

[Eragondragonrider]

I liked ME2 and think a lot of the choice will affect ME3. I do think that EA was kind of disappointed with the sells numbers of ME2 but that's about it.

[WhiteKnyght]

Oldbones2 wrote...

I'm starting to wonder if Bioware sees the plot and story of ME 2 as one giant gaping pile of **** that they just want to forget about.  It seems like the only thing carrying over to the next game will be the combat system. 

Examples;

1. Suicide mission did nothing to stop the Reapers. 
- At the time, we were assured that stopping the collectors was essential to the safety of the galaxy.  However even with total success, the Reapers arrived at Earth regardless only 6 months later.  If you hadn't performed the mission, the only thing that would have happened is that the Reapers would (maybe) have finished putting together another Reaper in time for the war.
+ I understand that the Reapers would have backup plans, and probably wouldn't sit still while the galaxy is becoming more and more aware of them, but I can't even take my evidence to the council at the end of the game and say 'Hey., I was right.  We need to get our **** together.'

2.  Cerberus flip-floping
- In ME 1 Cerberus was bad, and you knew it, and in a game with tons of choices, you NEVER had the option to side even a little bit with Cerberus.  Cut to ME 2 and Cerberus is morally questionable, and you MUST work with them.  And now in ME 3 they are the bad guys again and any association you had was dissolved.
+ I never wanted to work with Cerberus, (my shep is sole survivor) but I did and I want that to really be felt in ME 3, I want to regret that choice, not have it seem like it never happened.

3.  ME 2 Squad sidelined and minimized.
- Not one of the ME 2 squad returns as a squadmate, or even as just a advisor on the Normandy.  Some of the Normandy crew are gone as well.  I've heard that Kelly may not return as your yeoman.  I never loved Kelly, but why replace a valid character with depth and background just to establish a new one.
+ Aside from pissing off certain fans, this begs the question of why?  Why would absolutely NONE of the characters return in a way that was truly noticable, much less essential?

4. Final choice of ME 2 doesn't effect ME 3
- Whether you smash the Collector base or give it to TIM, Cerberus uses it to create hybrid soldiers.
+  This was the biggest choice of the game, like whether or not you saved the council which effected how Humanity was viewed in ME 2.  And yet as far as I can tell, it has almost no impact.


  While there were several thing in ME 2 I found to be inconsistant or irritating, overall I enjoyed the plot, the characters and the whole story.  But as far as I can tell, ME 3 is bending over backward to be ME 1 conpliant while barely paying lip service to ME 2.

I didn't pay hundreds of dollars and waste tons of my time for the whole middle section of this story not to matter.  Why isn't there any impact from ME 2?  NO.  Why isn't there a HUGE impact from ME 2?  It's like Bioware secretly hates this game and anyone who plays it.

Discuss.

1. Nobody said the Suicide Mission would do anyting to stop the Reapers. It was made very clear early in ME2 that the point was to stop the abductions.

2. In ME1, Shepard was a Spectre and Cerberus had no use for them. After ME1, Cerberus confirmed the Reaper existence(although ME: Evolution implies that T.I.M has known for decades). But they realized Shepard is an asset and put him/her in a spot where you can't refuse. They exploit Shepard's drive to fight the Reapers and hold sticking them one over his/her head.

3. In ME3, the Normandy SR2 has been reclaimed by the Alliance. Arguably any Cerberus operatives and non-human crew would be sent away, except Joker who is willing to return to his service with them.  And in ME2, most of your squadmates joined because Cerberus was paying them a LOT of money. And others found new things to focus on. Mordin curing the genophage, Thane focusing on his son, Samara's vow expiring and her returning to her true duties, etc.

4. Destroying the Collector base prevents The Illusive Man from arming his men with a giant cache of advanced weaponry. Leaving him only with bits and pieces to study and work off of.  ME2 even hints at that when the Shadow Broker comments that he'll steal the Reaper IFF and collect the remnants of the destroyed base.

Lastly, Mass Effect 3 isn't even out yet. And it's pretty much confirmed(and supported by some data from the leak and the demo) that ME2 squadmates who survived will play parts in some missions. Likely they'll be temporary companions like Liara was in LotSB. You're jumping to the worst possible conclusion based on nothing. Just wait and see rather than self sabotage before it's even out.

[Balancer]

MyIntentions wrote...

redbaron76 wrote...

So is tali if she survived and all other ME 2 characters make cameo appearances.

Im talking about as a squad mate. Sorry I didn't make it clear. Garrus is for sure a squad mate. Tali we dot know yet. She probably will be though.

i think it already has been confirmed that tali is a squadmate, their are even some screenshots with her side by side with shepard on the official website