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[DWTHEBEST]

Stokie Stallion wrote...

I love mass effect 2, getting to know the crew after every mission. Wasn't much for thane at first but i love his sense of honour and relgion. Grunt is just the boss, garrus i love that guy, jack is your typical teenage girl and miranda early 20's. Plus the different ways you can lose any of them during the final mission!! oh and dont forget legion!!! you learn alot abotu the geth from him.

Maybe it is just a stepping stone but after mass effect one the reapers were a little annoyed at shepard and humans, but after mass effect 2 i think they just went full rage mode and plotted a course for earth. I loved it lmao Problem reapers?

miranda is 30...

[izmirtheastarach]

DWTHEBEST wrote...
miranda is 30...

According to the codex, in ME2 Miranda is 36, and Jack is 25.

Modifié par izmirtheastarach, 23 février 2012 - 06:07 .

[Xeranx]

Nevermind.

Modifié par Xeranx, 23 février 2012 - 06:30 .

[Xither]

Oldbones2 wrote...

I'm starting to wonder if Bioware sees the plot and story of ME 2 as one giant gaping pile of **** that they just want to forget about.  It seems like the only thing carrying over to the next game will be the combat system. 

Examples;

1. Suicide mission did nothing to stop the Reapers. 
- At the time, we were assured that stopping the collectors was essential to the safety of the galaxy.  However even with total success, the Reapers arrived at Earth regardless only 6 months later.  If you hadn't performed the mission, the only thing that would have happened is that the Reapers would (maybe) have finished putting together another Reaper in time for the war.
+ I understand that the Reapers would have backup plans, and probably wouldn't sit still while the galaxy is becoming more and more aware of them, but I can't even take my evidence to the council at the end of the game and say 'Hey., I was right.  We need to get our **** together.'

2.  Cerberus flip-floping
- In ME 1 Cerberus was bad, and you knew it, and in a game with tons of choices, you NEVER had the option to side even a little bit with Cerberus.  Cut to ME 2 and Cerberus is morally questionable, and you MUST work with them.  And now in ME 3 they are the bad guys again and any association you had was dissolved.
+ I never wanted to work with Cerberus, (my shep is sole survivor) but I did and I want that to really be felt in ME 3, I want to regret that choice, not have it seem like it never happened.

3.  ME 2 Squad sidelined and minimized.
- Not one of the ME 2 squad returns as a squadmate, or even as just a advisor on the Normandy.  Some of the Normandy crew are gone as well.  I've heard that Kelly may not return as your yeoman.  I never loved Kelly, but why replace a valid character with depth and background just to establish a new one.
+ Aside from pissing off certain fans, this begs the question of why?  Why would absolutely NONE of the characters return in a way that was truly noticable, much less essential?

4. Final choice of ME 2 doesn't effect ME 3
- Whether you smash the Collector base or give it to TIM, Cerberus uses it to create hybrid soldiers.
+  This was the biggest choice of the game, like whether or not you saved the council which effected how Humanity was viewed in ME 2.  And yet as far as I can tell, it has almost no impact.


  While there were several thing in ME 2 I found to be inconsistant or irritating, overall I enjoyed the plot, the characters and the whole story.  But as far as I can tell, ME 3 is bending over backward to be ME 1 conpliant while barely paying lip service to ME 2.

I didn't pay hundreds of dollars and waste tons of my time for the whole middle section of this story not to matter.  Why isn't there any impact from ME 2?  NO.  Why isn't there a HUGE impact from ME 2?  It's like Bioware secretly hates this game and anyone who plays it.

Discuss.

Yes, the demo does seem to negate all the efforts and story of the second game, but I am encouraged to see izmirtheastarach and cookman43 [discretely] state that the ME3 story will make sense of the previous games' stories.

My guess is that what BW is doing is trying to make ME3 as accessible as possible for gamers who haven't played ME or ME2, while still being true to the gamers who have.  That's why, in the start of the demo, you're not immediately picking up from where ME2 left off... Commander Shepard has lost his 'wings' and has a small 'initiation' to go through before he's free to resume the ass kicking he was giving at the end of ME2.  

Personally speaking, I would encourage you just to enjoy the game for what it is.  Expectations will only lead to disappointment because you feel the game isn't all it could have been.  Even if your criticisms are true, they will only reduce your enjoyment of the overall experience.

However, there are those of us who can't stop criticizing and that's why we end up becoming game developers, ourselves. 

[RazorrX]

It is my stand that Cerberus never changed. The whole crew of normandy (with the exception of Jacob, Miranda and Kelly) are all fresh recruits into Cerberus and for the most part former Alliance. This was done to manipulate Shep.

Kelly has degrees in Psychology, she is most likely trained in elicitation and manipulation. Her job was to monitor Shep and help to 'condition' him to feeling that Cerberus was not too bad. Hence why she is quick to say how she loves aliens, etc. All this was to throw Shep off so that she could help keep an eye on him and manipulate him. She even goes so far as to help relieve some stress at end game if Shep has not done the Hunka Chunka.

Every time you find dirt on Cerberus, Miranda is quick to jump in and try to say that it was not "REALLY" Cerberus who was responsible for X atrocity - it was always a splinter branch.

Jacob tells you that even though he has been with Cerberus longer, he does not really know much about it.

So I view ME2 as Cerberus trying to mind screw my shep into joining them.

[daftPirate]

RazorrX wrote...

It is my stand that Cerberus never changed. The whole crew of normandy (with the exception of Jacob, Miranda and Kelly) are all fresh recruits into Cerberus and for the most part former Alliance. This was done to manipulate Shep.

Kelly has degrees in Psychology, she is most likely trained in elicitation and manipulation. Her job was to monitor Shep and help to 'condition' him to feeling that Cerberus was not too bad. Hence why she is quick to say how she loves aliens, etc. All this was to throw Shep off so that she could help keep an eye on him and manipulate him. She even goes so far as to help relieve some stress at end game if Shep has not done the Hunka Chunka.

Every time you find dirt on Cerberus, Miranda is quick to jump in and try to say that it was not "REALLY" Cerberus who was responsible for X atrocity - it was always a splinter branch.

Jacob tells you that even though he has been with Cerberus longer, he does not really know much about it.

So I view ME2 as Cerberus trying to mind screw my shep into joining them.

I like this perspective. May need reworking for a Shepard that supports Cerberus, but looks pretty sound, otherwise.

[D. Carmine]

RazorrX wrote...

Every time you find dirt on Cerberus, Miranda is quick to jump in and try to say that it was not "REALLY" Cerberus who was responsible for X atrocity - it was always a splinter branch.

You actually find evidence that those "rogue" cells, really were rogue.

The recordings at Teltin specifically mention that TIM doesn't know what was happening, for 1 example.

[scotkrow]

I would like to point out that:
1. The Collectors were taking humans from Terminus Systems Colonies. So, the Council and Alliance care less about them in general, thus their activities were going largely ignored. So, they were starting the Reaper, that would be finished once the reapers arrived.

2. Shepard is working with Cerberus to stop these abductions, not for them. TIM spreads the rumor that Shepard is working for Cerberus, and this leads to a lot of people who are over reacting and not confirming facts.

3. Mass Effect 2 is the Empire Strikes Back of Mass Effect, it's unappreciated by those who look at it shallowly, and anyone who didn't like Empire Strikes Back won't like ME2 because they don't like thinking too hard. (I will admit in my youth I didn't like ESB but now that I'm older and have a better view of the world and story telling I think it's amazing)

4. I think a lot of choices will have lots of little effects on the story, a few big things in ME2 wont have as big an impact as big things in ME1 but they will have a lot more little impacts that with twist and turn you around, and a lot of these things wont be mentioned in the leaked script, since I've heard that's more of an outline, than an actual script.

Feel free to yell at me and call me ignorant, I will sit here and know that I have an opinion, it has been stated and those who disagree, either don't like thinking or have different opinions.

[Xeranx]

scotkrow wrote...

3. Mass Effect 2 is the Empire Strikes Back of Mass Effect, it's unappreciated by those who look at it shallowly, and anyone who didn't like Empire Strikes Back won't like ME2 because they don't like thinking too hard. (I will admit in my youth I didn't like ESB but now that I'm older and have a better view of the world and story telling I think it's amazing)

Rana.

[scotkrow]

What in Gorram satan's back yard is 'Rana'? It's not anyones screen name here, I checked.

[Xeranx]

I'm giving you the option to think about it and see what happens.  Though seeing as I'm practically steering you with that statement, you might not want to generalize about anyone else in the future.

Modifié par Xeranx, 23 février 2012 - 10:55 .

[scotkrow]

Xeranx wrote...

I'm giving you the option to think about it and see what happens.  Though seeing as I'm practically steering you with that statement, you might not want to generalize about anyone else in the future.

You're not doing anything but typing a four letter word that I looked up and only found the urban dictinoary deffinition that makes no sense and an Afghan school and names.  None of those have anything related to my statement.


In addition, generalization is a part of human nature, it's a common speach pattern and even people who are thinking might miss, because they think too fast, or think over and aroud it, and other people who think enough will 'read' between the lines and see that a generalization a person is making is not 100%.  And since you brought it up I'll say this time that only most people who think enough will realize that.

Modifié par scotkrow, 24 février 2012 - 12:40 .

[WhiteKnyght]

D. Carmine wrote...

RazorrX wrote...

Every time you find dirt on Cerberus, Miranda is quick to jump in and try to say that it was not "REALLY" Cerberus who was responsible for X atrocity - it was always a splinter branch.

You actually find evidence that those "rogue" cells, really were rogue.

The recordings at Teltin specifically mention that TIM doesn't know what was happening, for 1 example.

When you unseal EDI's databanks, you can ask her unrestricted questions about Cerberus.

She reveals that Cerberus never does more than a dozen projects at a time because The Illusive Man keeps close watch on ALL of them.

Anything that goes on in his ranks, T.I.M knows about. Including Project Zero and Project Overlord. Perhaps Miranda and the lesser employees don't know that, but it's the truth. Jack's project was probably discontinued for lack of results and the scientists thought it was their breach of ethics.

Cerberus cells are like the Alliance Corsairs. They get caught doing anything, and Harper can disavow any knowledge of it and claim they went rogue.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 24 février 2012 - 12:30 .

[izmirtheastarach]

I know not everyone reads the books. But after what he does to Gillian and Paul Grayson in the books, I have no trouble at all believing he was in complete control of Teltin. Miranda is handled and manipulated just like Shepard is throughout ME2.

[AgitatedLemon]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

DWTHEBEST wrote...
miranda is 30...

According to the codex, in ME2 Miranda is 36, and Jack is 25.

I thought the official site says Jack is 22. I could very well be mistaken though.

Miranda is 35 though (born in 2150, ME2 takes place in 2185), not 36.

[shepard1038]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

DWTHEBEST wrote...
miranda is 30...

According to the codex, in ME2 Miranda is 36, and Jack is 25.

I thought the official site says Jack is 22. I could very well be mistaken though.

Miranda is 35 though (born in 2150, ME2 takes place in 2185), not 36.

So Miri is older than Shepard?

[shepard1038]

Saphra Deden wrote...

It's been known since shortly after ME2 was released that the plot in that game did nothing to advance the main plot of the series and that it was ultimately just a time-waster. It as filler until ME3 was ready.

All i am hearing is a opinion not a fact.

Modifié par shepard1038, 24 février 2012 - 12:44 .

[izmirtheastarach]

shepard1038 wrote...
So Miri is older than Shepard?

Thane is 40. Other then him and Liara, Miri is the oldest.

[shepard1038]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...
So Miri is older than Shepard?

Thane is 40. Other then him and Liara, Miri is the oldest.

Isn't Liara's age equivalent in humans years like in the 20s.

[AgitatedLemon]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...
So Miri is older than Shepard?

Thane is 40. Other then him and Liara, Miri is the oldest.

Samara, Wrex, Prothy.

[jeinasindorei]

The biggest problem people seem to have with the ME2 story is the lack of resolution in the end. But all 2nd parts of a trilogy are like that.

The 1st part has to end on a high note in case the series flops. The 3rd part ideally ends on a high note because it's the end of the story, but the 2nd always ends in favor of the bad guys.

[shepard1038]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...
So Miri is older than Shepard?

Thane is 40. Other then him and Liara, Miri is the oldest.

Samara, Wrex, Prothy.

Prothy really?

[AgitatedLemon]

jeinasindorei wrote...

The 3rd part ideally ends on a high note because it's the end of the story

Tell that to the guy who wrote the endings.

[AgitatedLemon]

shepard1038 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...
So Miri is older than Shepard?

Thane is 40. Other then him and Liara, Miri is the oldest.

Samara, Wrex, Prothy.

Prothy really?

Are you suggesting someone on the squad is older than Prothy? Reaper squad mate perhaps?