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[jeinasindorei]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

jeinasindorei wrote...

The 3rd part ideally ends on a high note because it's the end of the story

Tell that to the guy who wrote the endings.

That's why I said "ideally".

But really, even after the "end", there's always work to do, wars to fight, blah blah blah.

Happened in Star Wars, LOTR...

[mechstone]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

D. Carmine wrote...

RazorrX wrote...

Every time you find dirt on Cerberus, Miranda is quick to jump in and try to say that it was not "REALLY" Cerberus who was responsible for X atrocity - it was always a splinter branch.

You actually find evidence that those "rogue" cells, really were rogue.

The recordings at Teltin specifically mention that TIM doesn't know what was happening, for 1 example.

When you unseal EDI's databanks, you can ask her unrestricted questions about Cerberus.

She reveals that Cerberus never does more than a dozen projects at a time because The Illusive Man keeps close watch on ALL of them.

Anything that goes on in his ranks, T.I.M knows about. Including Project Zero and Project Overlord. Perhaps Miranda and the lesser employees don't know that, but it's the truth. Jack's project was probably discontinued for lack of results and the scientists thought it was their breach of ethics.

Cerberus cells are like the Alliance Corsairs. They get caught doing anything, and Harper can disavow any knowledge of it and claim they went rogue.

The recording at Teltin state that TIm wants reports and they are avoiding giving him any.
Archer states in overlord that Tim doesn't knowthat he used his own brother.
Is this conplete control?
I like Tim so maybe I'm biased to not seeing his worst traits but even I think that wasting
energy  convincing shep all of these went out of control is a bit far fetched.

I'm not going to argue whether or not Me2 was filler but to ignore it to just go back to me1 would be moronic because it out sold me1 and was avaible on ps3 as well.

[shepard1038]

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...
So Miri is older than Shepard?

Thane is 40. Other then him and Liara, Miri is the oldest.

Samara, Wrex, Prothy.

Prothy really?

Are you suggesting someone on the squad is older than Prothy? Reaper squad mate perhaps?

How do you know Prothy's age?

[jeinasindorei]

shepard1038 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...
So Miri is older than Shepard?

Thane is 40. Other then him and Liara, Miri is the oldest.

Samara, Wrex, Prothy.

Prothy really?

Are you suggesting someone on the squad is older than Prothy? Reaper squad mate perhaps?

How do you know Prothy's age?

Roughly 50,000+

[izmirtheastarach]

Whoops. What I said surely didn't make sense. Apparently I forgot about Samara. I was talking about ME2 squadmates.

[shepard1038]

jeinasindorei wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...
So Miri is older than Shepard?

Thane is 40. Other then him and Liara, Miri is the oldest.

Samara, Wrex, Prothy.

Prothy really?

Are you suggesting someone on the squad is older than Prothy? Reaper squad mate perhaps?

How do you know Prothy's age?

Roughly 50,000+

Being in stasis doesn't count?

[jeinasindorei]

shepard1038 wrote...

jeinasindorei wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...
So Miri is older than Shepard?

Thane is 40. Other then him and Liara, Miri is the oldest.

Samara, Wrex, Prothy.

Prothy really?

Are you suggesting someone on the squad is older than Prothy? Reaper squad mate perhaps?

How do you know Prothy's age?

Roughly 50,000+

Being in stasis doesn't count?

Are you asking or telling?

[AgitatedLemon]

shepard1038 wrote...

Being in stasis doesn't count?

Never mind the fact that he was alive for all those years...

[shepard1038]

jeinasindorei wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

jeinasindorei wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

AgitatedLemon wrote...

izmirtheastarach wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...
So Miri is older than Shepard?

Thane is 40. Other then him and Liara, Miri is the oldest.

Samara, Wrex, Prothy.

Prothy really?

Are you suggesting someone on the squad is older than Prothy? Reaper squad mate perhaps?

How do you know Prothy's age?

Roughly 50,000+

Being in stasis doesn't count?

Are you asking or telling?

Telling.

[brfritos]

I'm one of the first to criticize the story in ME2 if you ask me, I prefer ME1.
Is my personal opinion of course.

But I don't think Bioware will dismiss the events of ME2, nor your decisions, I respectfully disagree with you.
I also hope to see a lot of the second role characters or at least hear about them through other people, like Praetor Gavorn, for example.

This time I'm confident we won't recieve mails about them.

[Xeranx]

scotkrow wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

I'm giving you the option to think about it and see what happens.  Though seeing as I'm practically steering you with that statement, you might not want to generalize about anyone else in the future.

You're not doing anything but typing a four letter word that I looked up and only found the urban dictinoary deffinition that makes no sense and an Afghan school and names.  None of those have anything related to my statement.


In addition, generalization is a part of human nature, it's a common speach pattern and even people who are thinking might miss, because they think too fast, or think over and aroud it, and other people who think enough will 'read' between the lines and see that a generalization a person is making is not 100%.  And since you brought it up I'll say this time that only most people who think enough will realize that.

Rana is a character in the story of Mass Effect.  I gave you her name to think about her character and tell me whatever you thought regarding her character.  Why?  Because there's a lot there that has potential for the trilogy if the developers had used it.

I don't ME2 is good filler.  It's about as tangible to me as air for whatever it is supposed to accomplish.  The developers went for an ESB-type story which doesn't resemble ESB from what I can remember.  They chased some ideal instead of focusing on the story that was hinted at the end of Mass Effect.  Also, in ESB (from what I remember...haven't watched it in years) the Empire was still a very real threat.  They weren't absent.  Everything done by Luke was in preparation for taking on Vader.  Han and Leia were growing closer, but they still had their respective roles to play as part of the Rebellion.  What about that correlates to what we see in ME2?  

We focus on the Collectors who don't amount to much by the end of ME2.  We have characters that are veritable throwaways and the hackneyed way they're introduced for the purpose of exposition is poor as far as I'm concerned.  All of that could have been reworked with the focus on the overarching story which entailed finding ways to stop the Reapers.  Then the Collectors, themselves, could have been fleshed out more.  As they exist they're puppets.  It's nothing we haven't seen before considering the Keepers, but they were initially introduced as traders who then began abducting people.  That the connection was made to the Reapers, I don't know how that happened.  That connection should have come later and not once we regained control of Shepard.

Rana studied indoctrination at Saren's request.  Or, more precisely, she took over her superior's position at Saren's command to study indoctrination.  Then we have Exogeni research on the Thorian and, for those that saved her, Shiala who was rendered cured of indoctrination due to the Thorian.  Add in Mordin and we could have had those characters working towards a method of stopping the Reapers.  At the very least, if we were going to think about adopting Reaper tech to try anything (SR2 and EDI), we could potentially avoid what happened to Dr. Chandanah and his group on the Derelict Reaper.

Cerberus could have been introduced as a viable option for the research to take place under their umbrella if there were something about the research that the Council wanted nothing to do with.

So many things could have been done to make the overarching story more solid and more enjoyable for those who don't think that ME2 makes the total story incohesive as far as the trilogy currently exists.  I don't want to be told that Mass Effect is a trilogy if everything that occurs in ME2 needs ME3 to shore it up.  If ME3 needs to validate ME2 that makes ME3 ME2.5  as far as I'm concerned.

As far as my 'not doing anything' is concerned, I quoted a section of your post that involved four points if I'm not mistaken.  Four points and I selected just one, but you didn't figure out what I was trying to get at.  I didn't want to spell it out because the tone in the section I quoted was enough for me to think you thought yourself better than those who "don't appreciate" ME2 like you do.  And had you not seemingly lumped us in with those who 'don't want to think too hard' I wouldn't have said anything.

That's why I'm telling you not to generalize.  Regardless of what "people" do, you do have control of yourself.  Don't hide behind what "people" do if, in the liklihood of someone saying something that - to you -seems to speak for you, you will tell that person to speak for themselves.

[izmirtheastarach]

[quote]jreezy wrote...
Isn't Liara's age equivalent in humans years like in the 20s.[/quote]
No. Liara's age equivalent in human years is 108.

[/quote]

She turns 109 before ME3.

[AgitatedLemon]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

jreezy wrote...
Isn't Liara's age equivalent in humans years like in the 20s.

No. Liara's age equivalent in human years is 108.

She turns 109 before ME3.

She says in ME1 that she's "little more than a child".

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 24 février 2012 - 02:39 .

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

It's no wonder BioWare screwed over EVERY damn fan of ME2, even those who ONLY have an LI in ME2.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Trust me, they did. We hardly get anything for the ME2 characters. No redesign, no spot in the squad, etc.

[DeathScepter]

well it does feel like we are being screwed over.

[AgitatedLemon]

jreezy wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

It's no wonder BioWare screwed over EVERY damn fan of ME2

No they didn't.

Yeah, they didn't give us a pat on the back and the 2nd place trophy, either.

Modifié par AgitatedLemon, 24 février 2012 - 02:50 .

[Dansayshi]

ME2 was great.

Sure, Bioware eliminated alot of RPG elements turning it into a story driven 3rd person shooter, but it doesnt mean it was bad.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

DeathScepter wrote...

well it does feel like we are being screwed over.

I know what it possibly could have been. They ran out of time and/or money because they were SO busy with the Development/Pampering of Characters like VS, Liara, etc, and the Development of Kinect and Multiplayer.

So they just threw the ME2 characters in without effort. No redesign or anything. I wouldn't be surprised if the ME2 Characters were still in their ME2 Graphic Models.<_<

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

It's no wonder BioWare screwed over EVERY damn fan of ME2, even those who ONLY have an LI in ME2.

I like ME2 a lot more than ME1, and I haven't been screwed over.

Well, because you support "Team Dextro," and you have Tali and Garrus in your squad. 

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

It's no wonder BioWare screwed over EVERY damn fan of ME2, even those who ONLY have an LI in ME2.

I like ME2 a lot more than ME1, and I haven't been screwed over.

Well, because you support "Team Dextro," and you have Tali and Garrus in your squad. 

And how does that not make me a fan of ME2?

I don't know. Did you have an LI in ME2?