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#26
Thoragoros

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Hornet wasn't 'terrible,' but really it feels more like a bottom tier gun than the 'top standard' SMG.

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SupidSeep

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My Human Adept and Engineer each carries only a Tempest SMG (just got to X Grade) with extra rounds plus a scope. The Tempest is actually quite decent at range with a scope, and when it's up close, I just hold down the trigger and spray the guy down (I'm not much of a marksman at close quarters and I'm not adjusted well to melee in ME3 Demo).

"A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it" - Shane

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D Amiri

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I love the hornet on my Drellguard. It reminds me of the M-93 Raffica from MW2 (one of my favorite FPS guns ever). Pull, Charge, Skeet, Skeet, repeat. Attach scope and a stabilizer for the stats but never zoom in. Hip fired laser beam headshots.

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nicethugbert

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Circle strafe is your friend. Get up close and circle around them. Just keep the crosshairs steady on them.

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Blissey1

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 Also stopping power means very little against the nemies that are actually tough like the phantom or mech


er...what? Are you saying more powerful weapons are not better agaisnt the Atlas? I can understand saying the Revenant would suck against a phantom(you'd never hit the damn thing), but an atlas is the size of a barn, negating the revenants only downside, crap accuracy.

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ncknck

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The problem with SMG's is that pistols do more damage.

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I have absolutely no idea why people suggest putting a scope on SMG or even ARs. the other 2 upgrades are obviously more suited.

I carry around a phalnax and tempest on most my characters they are both X and gives me +200% power cooldowns. heavy pistols when dealing with armor and SMGs at shields.
and yes I use the pistol 90% of the time. SMGs suck.

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xhydeffx wrote...

Seriously. Just got the hornet. The gold weapon of the SMG's and it still sucks. I also have the predator X and tempest IX, with level 3 attachments and they STILL suck. Why bioware? Please make the SMG's better.


Hornet is best when shot from the hip, it doesn't have horrible recoil then.

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I have no need of any other gun except the heavy pistol. Its got great fire rate, great ammo, great reload, great stopping power. It's just so ****ing good. It even has a scope! MY GOD! What were they thinking? These things do the jobs of the other four classes of gun combined. The only thing assault rifles can do is sustain this heavy damage due to higher clip size.

Snipers are too slow, as are Shotguns. If you can aim well I gurantee you'll never use another weapon type if you get good with heavy pistols. By far the worst guns are SMG's. The openess of the maps makes them obsolete. They definitely need a buff, or to weight at least half of what they are for insane bonuses to powers while still carrying a rapid fire weapon.

Heavy Pistols are just sick. Only Assault Rifles and Shotguns have any niche uses. Snipers can go suck on a lemon. SMG's can go cry in a corner.

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himegoto wrote...

I have absolutely no idea why people suggest putting a scope on SMG or even ARs. the other 2 upgrades are obviously more suited.

I carry around a phalnax and tempest on most my characters they are both X and gives me +200% power cooldowns. heavy pistols when dealing with armor and SMGs at shields.
and yes I use the pistol 90% of the time. SMGs suck.

I haven't unlocked the magazine upgrade for the ARs, but the scope is great on the Avenger. With the heashots I can pull off with the scope I can kill at least 2-3 Assault Troopers with one magazine. Plus, with the scope Guardians are a breeze, you just have to burst.

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All other SMG's are crap compared to the Locust.

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What i don't like about the hornet is that it is described as long range weapon but if you use it at long range, while accurate the kick is just insane. That said it's quite usable on shortrange and without aiming.

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Because they are the poor man's assault rifle. I still see their inclusion into the series as pointless.

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ncknck wrote...

The problem with SMG's is that pistols do more damage.

Considering that they are HEAVY pistols, it makes sense. Heavy standing for high caliber.

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ZombieGambit

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TexasToast712 wrote...

Because they are the poor man's assault rifle. I still see their inclusion into the series as pointless.

I actually agree. In other games SMGs distinguish themselves by being easy to aim and great in CQB, but in Mass Effect they're neither of those things. The only good SMG is the Locust and that's basically the just Avenger with slightly less range.

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TexasToast712

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ZombieGambit wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

Because they are the poor man's assault rifle. I still see their inclusion into the series as pointless.

I actually agree. In other games SMGs distinguish themselves by being easy to aim and great in CQB, but in Mass Effect they're neither of those things. The only good SMG is the Locust and that's basically the just Avenger with slightly less range.

The Locust took a major nerf for ME3. At least from my usage of it.

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I've tried a vanguard with a smg with cryo ammo, it was nice to freeze and charge enemies to death.

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Maj.Pain007

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There is no reason to choose an SMG over the Carnifex.

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Horrible damage, barely or not lighter then pistols. Seriously, you might as well be giving your opponents mean looks instead of shooting them with an SMG on gold difficulty. They are pointless weapons atm, as they are eclipsed by pretty much everything at any range.

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Maj.Pain007 wrote...

There is no reason to choose an SMG over the Carnifex.


except for, ya know, not having unlocked the carnifex yet.

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It's not that SMGs really suck, it's just that heavy pistols are just simply stronger than them. I have the Shuriken, Tempest and Locust and I'm most comfortable with the Shuriken - it seems like a weaker, lighter Vindicator to use against shields. On my human engineer though, I almost EXCLUSIVELY use the Predator, it simply outperforms the SMG for me on silver/gold.

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As it is, recoil on SMGs kills their usefulness at anything but short range, and when they are that close it's better to just headshot with your pistol. Only reason to bother with SMGs is to spray at centurions and troopers.

I'm hoping that the full game gives me more mods to work them worthwhile.

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Why do people like the Locust? It literally takes 50 shots to the head to kill an assault trooper.

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foreshadowjr wrote...

Yeah, I found the pistols to be more effective than the smgs to be honest. One can argue that I'm not using it right, but I'd rather practice with the weapon that seems to be better at the moment and master than instead of "wasting" my time trying to get the other up to par.



I agree with this statement. I really hate the SMG's kick.

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I admittedly don't have the recoil suppressor for SMGs yet, but the recoil on the Hornet is absolutely horrid.