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[Assumedkilla]

Before I finally got an Asari Adept late last week it seemed like people were making Stasis Bubble out to be a BIG deal, but now that I've got her and she's leveled all the way up... I went for extra damage rather than turning it into a bubble. Going the bubble route mainly seems effective if you snipe or camp a lot and you're basically using it as a claymore/mine to watch your back. I play her more as an offensive class than supporting, so if I Stasis someone it's going to be a bomb 1 to 3 seconds later, which will kill the target and freeze everyone nearby them. I don't think the bubble ability is awful, but a lot of people on here act like it's the end-all-be-all when it comes to biotics... when it's really not. Stasis moves so fast no one dodges it and either way you should turn it into a biotic explosion.

[Butthead11]

Stasis bubble gets it's hype for dealing with phantoms.

If you don't have trouble with phantoms in your group it's not that big of a deal.

[IlluminaZer0]

It is also useful for de-shielding Guardians with absolutely zero effort.

[Assumedkilla]

Butthead11 wrote...

Stasis bubble gets it's hype for dealing with phantoms.

If you don't have trouble with phantoms in your group it's not that big of a deal.

Perhaps, but everything Stasis bubble does to phantoms extra damage Stasis does to them too... you just shoot it at them rather than them walking into it.

[Tang McGame]

The only time it really seems to make a big difference is right at the start of a wave when you can easily toss the bubble in a path. Once the round is under way it usually catches one, sometimes two, but almost never more than that.

[Ohei]

Stasis bubble when you're playing on Gold = huge advantage. Especially on waves 8, 9 and 10.

[Lycidas]

I do prefer regular Stasis to the bubble version. Lower CD + higher incoming damage for the target is the way to go for me.

[snfonseka]

Butthead11 wrote...

Stasis bubble gets it's hype for dealing with phantoms.

If you don't have trouble with phantoms in your group it's not that big of a deal.

You can use normal Stasis on phantoms.

[UK Wildcat]

It's bad to take damage over bubble if you play on Gold. On real difficulties, you have tons of mobs coming at you in congested areas.

Modifié par UK Wildcat, 23 février 2012 - 06:16 .

[Lycidas]

UK Wildcat wrote...

It's bad to take damage over bubble if you play on Gold. On real difficulties, you have tons of mobs coming at you in congested areas.

Real difficulties? lol That makes your opinion sound so much more valid... Well on "real difficulties" you explode your Stasis resulting in AoE damage and more frozen enemies. Still no need for the bubble evolution.

[Eric13574]

snfonseka wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Stasis bubble gets it's hype for dealing with phantoms.

If you don't have trouble with phantoms in your group it's not that big of a deal.

You can use normal Stasis on phantoms.

yes... but you can't use normal stasis on 3+ phantoms coming at you simoltaniously, as they do very often in gold

[UKillMeLongTime]

bubble is worth it. I freeze them and the others snipe. Also any with a shield drop it and ....head shot on a still target

and its brutal against the stinkin' ninja ****es

[Aramina]

Lycidas wrote...

UK Wildcat wrote...

It's bad to take damage over bubble if you play on Gold. On real difficulties, you have tons of mobs coming at you in congested areas.

Real difficulties? lol That makes your opinion sound so much more valid... Well on "real difficulties" you explode your Stasis resulting in AoE damage and more frozen enemies. Still no need for the bubble evolution.

It really just depends on people's preferences. I for one prefer the Bubble because I can trap enemies at choke points, and it keeps them all nice and grouped for a Warp bomb while they can't even attack me. With damage you're less likely to get more enemies, but more likely to kill them outright with the explosion instead of damaging them and knocking them down. I guess it just depends if you want to play crowd control or aggressor.

[UK Wildcat]

Lycidas wrote...

UK Wildcat wrote...

It's bad to take damage over bubble if you play on Gold. On real difficulties, you have tons of mobs coming at you in congested areas.

Real difficulties? lol That makes your opinion sound so much more valid... Well on "real difficulties" you explode your Stasis resulting in AoE damage and more frozen enemies. Still no need for the bubble evolution.

I could spell out every conceivable issue that could arise, but some people will persist in valuing other things over utility and theory-crafting instead of being effective.

Even in your hypothetical, assuming phantoms are there you are very likely not casting statis then detonating it.  If you have bubble you just cast one, and net the others.

Asari Adept is a great class because of crowd control and utility and it plays most effectively in the demo by maximizing utility.

Agree or not, at this point I don't care, other people can listen to whoever they want and try whatever they want.

[UKillMeLongTime]

Eric13574 wrote...

snfonseka wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Stasis bubble gets it's hype for dealing with phantoms.

If you don't have trouble with phantoms in your group it's not that big of a deal.

You can use normal Stasis on phantoms.

yes... but you can't use normal stasis on 3+ phantoms coming at you simoltaniously, as they do very often in gold

Bingo
I also throw the bubble on top on someone thats down to save them
and blocking a door with a bubble is awesome. 

[Aramina]

UKillMeLongTime wrote...

Eric13574 wrote...

snfonseka wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Stasis bubble gets it's hype for dealing with phantoms.

If you don't have trouble with phantoms in your group it's not that big of a deal.

You can use normal Stasis on phantoms.

yes... but you can't use normal stasis on 3+ phantoms coming at you simoltaniously, as they do very often in gold

Bingo
I also throw the bubble on top on someone thats down to save them
and blocking a door with a bubble is awesome. 

^ This. Shielding them so they don't get executed = very happy teammates that are more likely to stick close to you and help you out .

[UKillMeLongTime]

It's funny to see a foot raised up to stop but they end up dead instead as they are a statue
Cant wait to play asari vanguard to freeze them charge in to save someone fast

[Aramina]

UKillMeLongTime wrote...

It's funny to see a foot raised up to stop but they end up dead instead as they are a statue
Cant wait to play asari vanguard to freeze them charge in to save someone fast

It's even more hilarious to see a Phantom poised to kill someone from behind and you Bubble them. I'm looking forward to the Asari Vanguard too, but I think I'll miss Warp. My Adept is an Atlas slayer with it.

Modifié par Aramina, 23 février 2012 - 07:05 .

[Assumedkilla]

Eric13574 wrote...

snfonseka wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Stasis bubble gets it's hype for dealing with phantoms.

If you don't have trouble with phantoms in your group it's not that big of a deal.

You can use normal Stasis on phantoms.

yes... but you can't use normal stasis on 3+ phantoms coming at you simoltaniously, as they do very often in gold

Stasis + Warp on one of the phantoms means one of them is dead and the other two are frozen if they're near the first one. I hardly see phantoms walking in some weird huddle formation straight into a bubble as a group... that makes the AI sound awful lol.

[Deleran]

Assumedkilla wrote...

Eric13574 wrote...

snfonseka wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Stasis bubble gets it's hype for dealing with phantoms.

If you don't have trouble with phantoms in your group it's not that big of a deal.

You can use normal Stasis on phantoms.

yes... but you can't use normal stasis on 3+ phantoms coming at you simoltaniously, as they do very often in gold

Stasis + Warp on one of the phantoms means one of them is dead and the other two are frozen if they're near the first one. I hardly see phantoms walking in some weird huddle formation straight into a bubble as a group... that makes the AI sound awful lol.

They do run in packs on gold. They're also dangerous at range with those pistols. They kill me with those at least as often as with the sword. I don't know if I'd want them shooting at me while I set up the combo.

Modifié par Deleran, 23 février 2012 - 07:41 .

[Assumedkilla]

Deleran wrote...

Assumedkilla wrote...

Eric13574 wrote...

snfonseka wrote...

Butthead11 wrote...

Stasis bubble gets it's hype for dealing with phantoms.

If you don't have trouble with phantoms in your group it's not that big of a deal.

You can use normal Stasis on phantoms.

yes... but you can't use normal stasis on 3+ phantoms coming at you simoltaniously, as they do very often in gold

Stasis + Warp on one of the phantoms means one of them is dead and the other two are frozen if they're near the first one. I hardly see phantoms walking in some weird huddle formation straight into a bubble as a group... that makes the AI sound awful lol.

They do run in packs on gold. They're also dangerous at range with those pistols. They kill me with those at least as often as with the sword. I don't know if I'd want them shooting at me while they set up the combo.

I run into a lot phantoms in gold, but I don't usually see them all running next to each other very closely that often (not saying it doesn't happen). Either way, I could still setup a more damaging explosion than a bubble would in about two seconds, which still freeze all of them, since I have 200% recharge. Like I said before, I don't think bubble sucks, but a lot of people here make seem like the way an Asari is "supposed to" play.

[FlyingCow371]

Bubble is great for protecting downed allies, the start of the wave, guardians, any groups really. It freezes groups right away, without having to wait for a cooldown + detonation ability (may not seem like a long wait, but that time can be really important on later difficulties/rounds if you're getting swarmed; saved our asses from getting gang raped by what felt like 5 or 6 phantoms on gold extraction). Plus when phantoms turn invisible, and you're not able to get the targeting box on them, the bubble can still work pretty well if you've got a general idea of where the phantom is.

Things that get trapped in a stasis bubble don't last long... extra damage wouldn't help me much. Since they're standing still, it's a really easy headshot for the infiltrator or anyone really. If they do get out an they're still alive, they can just get hit again.

[The Makatak]

I've Asari Adept'd on gold, and I used the damage increase evolution. It's 50 cents one way, half a dollar another. My group also was fairly heavy on biotics (3/4 I think had some kind of detonation ability) so they more often than I would set up stasis explosions, and we could kill Phantoms even in groups of 2-3 with the damage increase.

But in groups without that much coordination, communication, or trust, I can see the appeal in bubble. Hell, I can kind of see it now. It makes Guardians easier to deal with, that's for sure, but I really have no problem hitting them with throw and two headshots with the pistol during their stagger, which takes just as much time, only a little better aiming.

Low DPS groups, bubble's probably better. High DPS groups, it could go either way. I like the damage increase stasis, but that's because it has greater synergy in my group. It might not be that way for everyone, and that's cool.

Modifié par The Makatak, 23 février 2012 - 07:48 .

[staindgrey]

The way I see it, bubble stasis is easy mode, extra damage stasis is expert mode. This isn't to belittle anyone choosing bubble stasis (I did), but while extra damage has a lot of upside, bubble stasis is simply easier. Barely miss? No problem, it hit them or someone else anyway. Guardian or two? Don't worry about nailing headshots; just bubble them and deal with them later. Got a sniper on your team? Just bubble the **** out of everything and watch the assist points rack up.

Extra damage requires more teamwork and precision. Bubble just helps run the battlefield in general. (This is, of course, talking about Gold.)

[Lycidas]

UK Wildcat wrote...


Agree or not, at this point I don't care, other people can listen to whoever they want and try whatever they want.

Thats the point people prefer one or the other and both is valid IMHO.