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[Eclipse_9990]

I love the bubble because it can be used as a trap, can take out crowded enemies, and trivializes Guardians, and Phantoms.

[ncknck]

it seems OP took stasis damage by mistake and now looks for reasons to support the choice. There are none. Bubble is king. Just endure the pain and respec for bubble.

[Assumedkilla]

ncknck wrote...

it seems OP took stasis damage by mistake and now looks for reasons to support the choice. There are none. Bubble is king. Just endure the pain and respec for bubble.

Yeah, I chose it by mistake... it's not like there's an undo button or anything lol. People like you are apart of the problem.

[goofyomnivore]

Neither is 'great' really. Stasis would be just as powerful without either.

[I Tsunayoshi I]

Stasis Bubble is epicly good for setting up warp bomb after warp bomb when you put them down on a choke point.

Also makes it bit easier for me to tear into the Atlas since standing in the bubble still gives a damage bonus I believe.

[ncknck]

Assumedkilla wrote...

ncknck wrote...

it seems OP took stasis damage by mistake and now looks for reasons to support the choice. There are none. Bubble is king. Just endure the pain and respec for bubble.

Yeah, I chose it by mistake... it's not like there's an undo button or anything lol. People like you are apart of the problem.

There no undo button in the demo, thus this thread. The more you invest in the acc, the more difficult it will become to start anew. And the full game is not far away already. classes have roles. Sure it is possible to play an infiltrator w/o cloak or adept w/o bubble or a vanguard w/o charge. It works as long as difficulty levels are not demanding. And as soon as they are you better do what the class is supposed to do, and not try to impersonate a soldier. Also the asari can be very offensive. An asari adept with bubble is like the most reckless char in the game, right there with krogans and infiltrators. Enter any room, permastun everyone, proceed with rampage killing. warp bombs, shotgun in the face, melee, whatever.

Modifié par ncknck, 23 février 2012 - 10:27 .

[Highway Star]

Get inferno nades, bye bye Phantom. No need for the the stasis.

[Assumedkilla]

ncknck wrote...

Assumedkilla wrote...

ncknck wrote...

it seems OP took stasis damage by mistake and now looks for reasons to support the choice. There are none. Bubble is king. Just endure the pain and respec for bubble.

Yeah, I chose it by mistake... it's not like there's an undo button or anything lol. People like you are apart of the problem.

There no undo button in the demo, thus this thread. The more you invest in the acc, the more difficult it will become to start anew. And the full game is not far away already. classes have roles. Sure it is possible to play an infiltrator w/o cloak or adept w/o bubble or a vanguard w/o charge. It works as long as difficulty levels are not demanding. And as soon as they are you better do what the class is supposed to do, and not try to impersonate a soldier. Also the asari can be very offensive. An asari adept with bubble is like the most reckless char in the game, right there with krogans and infiltrators. Enter any room, permastun everyone, proceed with rampage killing. warp bombs, shotgun in the face, melee, whatever.

Uh... if I meant to choose bubble but hit extra damage by mistake then I could just press "Y" (on 360) and undo it. No, Adepts don't need bubble... only Asari have it and I was doing fine in silver/gold with my human Adept until I unlocked an Asari. Acting like your idea of playing is the best and/or right way is just pompous and pretentious. I hardly even shoot in most games yet I usually have the most points/kills, so I'm not impersonating a soldier and other methods than bubble clearly work.

[xcrunr1647]

The bubble make life easier, no doubt...but it's far from necessary. I've 2manned silver before playing as a Human engineer, with both an Asari adept and a Quarian engineer as partners.

There are various ways to deal with phantoms, you just have to figure out the most effective way for your class to handle them. Here's how I do it:

Human Engineer: Overload takes out the barrier and 2 blocks of health with 1 hit on silver. Combat Drone, the spam Incinerate and pistol fire. takes approximately 7 seconds to kill them.

Krogan Soldier: Inferno Grenade to start the DoT, HM to drop the Barrier, another Inferno Grenade to refresh the DoT and then Carnage to finish them off. 5 seconds.

Human Vanguard: Nova, Charge, Nova, Nova, HM. Again, roughly 5 seconds.

Human Soldier: I have more difficulty with my Human soldier than I do any other class that I play, but I can still pull it off. Frag Grenades to a ton of damage, hit them with a grenade or two and then spam concussive shots while you give them a face full of lead (assuming weapons still fire lead projectiles in the 2150's?)

<insert race here> Infitrator: equip the Widow with damage modifiers, Cloak, headshot. 2 seconds.

My Sentinel is still level 1, my Adept is level 8 or 9 but I don't play it that much. My Engineer is my go-to class.

[Arppis]

xcrunr1647 wrote...



Human Soldier: I have more difficulty with my Human soldier than I do any other class that I play, but I can still pull it off. Frag Grenades to a ton of damage, hit them with a grenade or two and then spam concussive shots while you give them a face full of lead (assuming weapons still fire lead projectiles in the 2150's?)

Spamming concusion shot and shooting at them, while keeping close to cover has always worked for me vs Phantoms.

[xcrunr1647]

Or you could do it the n00b way:

1) See Phantom
2) (over voice chat) "OMGZ GAIZ A PHANTOM RUUUUUUN!!"
3) equip missile launcher while Phantom chases you
4) turn around, blow Phantom into next dimension
5) "DON'T WORRY GUYS, I GOT HER"

N00bish, but undeniably effective =P

[Lycidas]

Assumedkilla wrote...

ncknck wrote...

Assumedkilla wrote...

ncknck wrote...

it seems OP took stasis damage by mistake and now looks for reasons to support the choice. There are none. Bubble is king. Just endure the pain and respec for bubble.

Yeah, I chose it by mistake... it's not like there's an undo button or anything lol. People like you are apart of the problem.

There no undo button in the demo, thus this thread. The more you invest in the acc, the more difficult it will become to start anew. And the full game is not far away already. classes have roles. Sure it is possible to play an infiltrator w/o cloak or adept w/o bubble or a vanguard w/o charge. It works as long as difficulty levels are not demanding. And as soon as they are you better do what the class is supposed to do, and not try to impersonate a soldier. Also the asari can be very offensive. An asari adept with bubble is like the most reckless char in the game, right there with krogans and infiltrators. Enter any room, permastun everyone, proceed with rampage killing. warp bombs, shotgun in the face, melee, whatever.

Uh... if I meant to choose bubble but hit extra damage by mistake then I could just press "Y" (on 360) and undo it. No, Adepts don't need bubble... only Asari have it and I was doing fine in silver/gold with my human Adept until I unlocked an Asari. Acting like your idea of playing is the best and/or right way is just pompous and pretentious. I hardly even shoot in most games yet I usually have the most points/kills, so I'm not impersonating a soldier and other methods than bubble clearly work.

This + double this on the bold part.
Bubble Stasis is most probably better in choke points but IMHO not universally better.

[xcrunr1647]

Arppis wrote...

xcrunr1647 wrote...



Human Soldier: I have more difficulty with my Human soldier than I do any other class that I play, but I can still pull it off. Frag Grenades to a ton of damage, hit them with a grenade or two and then spam concussive shots while you give them a face full of lead (assuming weapons still fire lead projectiles in the 2150's?)

Spamming concusion shot and shooting at them, while keeping close to cover has always worked for me vs Phantoms.

Yeah, it's not that hard, I was just saying that in relation to my other classes, my Human soldier takes longer to kill them. It's kinda funny, most of the time my team sees a Phantom and runs away while I run toward it lol. 

[ncknck]

Assumedkilla wrote...
 Uh... if I meant to choose bubble but hit extra damage by mistake then I could just press "Y" (on 360) and undo it. No, Adepts don't need bubble... only Asari have it and I was doing fine in silver/gold with my human Adept until I unlocked an Asari. Acting like your idea of playing is the best and/or right way is just pompous and pretentious. I hardly even shoot in most games yet I usually have the most points/kills, so I'm not impersonating a soldier and other methods than bubble clearly work.

This is a team game. Having a CC class player who instead goes for the "most points/kills" just puts additional pressure on other group members. If they can handle it, fine. Note i am not saying having stasis damage doesnt work. Everything works, as others have said there are more than one ways of CC. Since its impossible to undo choices, I wonder have you actually played with bubble, or just talking? I for myself actually have 2 level 20 asari adepts, one with stasis damage, one with bubble, so speak from experience.

Modifié par ncknck, 23 février 2012 - 12:23 .

[Arppis]

xcrunr1647 wrote...

Arppis wrote...

xcrunr1647 wrote...



Human Soldier: I have more difficulty with my Human soldier than I do any other class that I play, but I can still pull it off. Frag Grenades to a ton of damage, hit them with a grenade or two and then spam concussive shots while you give them a face full of lead (assuming weapons still fire lead projectiles in the 2150's?)

Spamming concusion shot and shooting at them, while keeping close to cover has always worked for me vs Phantoms.

Yeah, it's not that hard, I was just saying that in relation to my other classes, my Human soldier takes longer to kill them. It's kinda funny, most of the time my team sees a Phantom and runs away while I run toward it lol. 

Damn right, there is no need to run, maybe backout slowly if she tries to advance on you and keep spamming your powers at her.

[xcrunr1647]

Arppis wrote...

Damn right, there is no need to run, maybe backout slowly if she tries to advance on you and keep spamming your powers at her.

That made me think...

I think it's bullsh!t that my Concussive Shot blows Assault Troopers across the map, knocks down Centurions like it's nothing, and causes Guardians to stumble like it's its job (because it is)...but this tiny little Phantom that weighs 105 lbs, tops, just waltzes right through it like a summer breeze. 

[golyoscsapagy]

Well, I can't really go back to change bubble to damage, but I'm pretty much satisfied with bubble.

First, if someone is in stasis, you really don't need additional damage or anything on him. He's dead anyway. Scraping off 0,5 secs from kill time is rather redundant which renders any additional damage pretty much useless.

Second a blast has roughly the same radius as a bubble. See point above.

Third bubble is a lingering effect. Especially great against gold phantoms as those pests come in pairs at least and they always follow one another. Decaping them for 15s with one cast is invaluable.

Fourth is setting up traps. Especially funny on the city map where you throw a bubble on the landing spot when stuff starts jumping down, and you just start spamming warp - no need to recast stasis every time.

Fifth according to my experiences guys come to be immune to stasis after 3-4 recasts. It's a moot point a bit (from hundreds of matches I maybe had to stasis something more than twice in about 5 times), but they won't get immune to the AoE part of the bubble (so they shrug off when you cast it on them, but if they waltz into it, they freeze).

All in all bubble is so much superior it's not even funny. Actually the other upgrade does not really add anything worthwhile, so it's not even a difficult choice.

OT: phantoms simply block concussive shots because of their biotic shield. Try not to shoot them when they are playing palpatine (lightning dances around their hands).

Modifié par golyoscsapagy, 23 février 2012 - 02:07 .

[themaxzero]

ncknck wrote...

Assumedkilla wrote...

ncknck wrote...

it seems OP took stasis damage by mistake and now looks for reasons to support the choice. There are none. Bubble is king. Just endure the pain and respec for bubble.

Yeah, I chose it by mistake... it's not like there's an undo button or anything lol. People like you are apart of the problem.

There no undo button in the demo, thus this thread. The more you invest in the acc, the more difficult it will become to start anew. And the full game is not far away already. classes have roles. Sure it is possible to play an infiltrator w/o cloak or adept w/o bubble or a vanguard w/o charge. It works as long as difficulty levels are not demanding. And as soon as they are you better do what the class is supposed to do, and not try to impersonate a soldier. Also the asari can be very offensive. An asari adept with bubble is like the most reckless char in the game, right there with krogans and infiltrators. Enter any room, permastun everyone, proceed with rampage killing. warp bombs, shotgun in the face, melee, whatever.

There are ways you can respec in the demo. There was a post in the tech support forum showing how but it's gone now.

It's pretty darn sweet. In the full game respeccing with be very, very easy.

[ttt333]

Bubble can also get guys in cover (hit the front of their cover and the bubble extends behind it), while regular stasis can't.

[maxulic]

staindgrey wrote...

The way I see it, bubble stasis is easy mode, extra damage stasis is expert mode. This isn't to belittle anyone choosing bubble stasis (I did), but while extra damage has a lot of upside, bubble stasis is simply easier. Barely miss? No problem, it hit them or someone else anyway. Guardian or two? Don't worry about nailing headshots; just bubble them and deal with them later. Got a sniper on your team? Just bubble the **** out of everything and watch the assist points rack up.

Extra damage requires more teamwork and precision. Bubble just helps run the battlefield in general. (This is, of course, talking about Gold.)

That's pretty much my thought, unlike most powers Stasis doesn't look for a target but flies in straight line so it's easy to miss your target. I can see why some people might see the bubble as easier to use.

[OO629]

When one of my teammate goes down, i like to put a bubble on him while i clear the ennemies around him to avoid being downed while reviving. If anyone try to execute my teammate, he get frozen. I can also detonate frozen people (and since theyre next to each other, the explosion can hit more targets easily). Doing this also give me time to deal with more dangerous ennemies: i dont have to stasis everyone near my downed teammate while fighting off other ennemies.

[DivineAura]

UKillMeLongTime wrote...

It's funny to see a foot raised up to stop but they end up dead instead as they are a statue
Cant wait to play asari vanguard to freeze them charge in to save someone fast

Ahhh Asari Vanguard...... Stasis + Biotic Charge = Biotic Explosion! Looks like a deadly combo.

[AcidRelic]

I Stasis Bubble and use a Viper so I can kill 2-3 enemies every bubble which I cast every 2.8 seconds.

[UK Wildcat]

This thread is funny. It's always good watching 'zomg leave brittany alone!" type remarks when people's bad choices are critiqued. There are good ways to play in multiplayer and bad ways to play. All opinions / builds are not equal. Some are more effective than others. That's not snobbery or pretentiousness, that's just facts folks.

For multiplayer gold matches bubble is better than damage. The increased utility which translates to survivability and efficiency outweighs your attempts to nab a few more points so you can be an awesome person in your mind.

[The Makatak]

UK Wildcat wrote...

This thread is funny. It's always good watching 'zomg leave brittany alone!" type remarks when people's bad different choices are critiqued. There are good ways to play in multiplayer and bad ways to play. All opinions / builds are not equal. Some are more effective for others. That's not snobbery or pretentiousness, that's just facts folks.

For multiplayer gold matches bubble is better than damage. The increased utility which translates to survivability and efficiency outweighs your attempts to nab a few more points so you can be an awesome person in your mind.

I fix'd your statement.

As stated earlier, Bubble is easier to use. That does not make it better. Damage stasis is for advanced/expert players who can regularly set off stasis explosions, or who have teammates who know how to combo abilities off of other players (kind of like how it happens in SP... ). Now, most players aren't quite of that caliber (yet), and so I can understand why bubble is generally seen as having the greater utility. But don't make generalized statements like that, they're misleading and pretentious.

Modifié par The Makatak, 23 février 2012 - 05:36 .