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[Random citizen]

Mr Fixit wrote...

Ever since Bioware confirmed that the DLC squaddie is a Prothean, BSN is in an uprorar. Some are shouting "bloody murder", while others (many of those being Collector Edition buyers) are just saying "who cares. BioWare has the right to charge what they want for optional content. Want it? Buy it!"

Well, here's the thing. What if the bonus DLC squaddie was revealed yesterday to be some Zaeed-like guy? Cool and all, but not really all that important. True optional content, you know. Your $80 CE would still be a great deal, right? DLC character, bonus missions, robo-dog, and all the other nifty stuff.

Say, BioWare also announced yesterday that there is another DLC bonus character, a Prothean, that ISN'T in the Collectors Edition, and everyone should pay ten bucks extra to get him, whether you have CE or not. I mean, they didn't promise it would be a Prothean in the CE, right?

So, would you be alright with that? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Mine attitude is one of solidarity. As someone who ordered the collector N7 edition, I think its  wrong and extremely worrying that Prothy is a DLC squaddie for people who only ordered the regular edition. Its a big no-no to have a day 1 character dlc like that, especially a prothean!

Modifié par Random citizen, 23 février 2012 - 10:58 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

For me it's not so much I agree with what EA has done(let's be honest Bioware didn't do this crap). Business/Shareholder wise it makes alot of sense to provide incentive to Premium buyers like Myself/You/Other N7 CE buyers.This is no different than other premium things like 1st class plane tickets , were if your in their you get things that the other regular plane ticket buyers do not receive.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 23 février 2012 - 11:07 .

[Dreskar]

Personally as a CE buyer, I have to scream bloody murder, but I give my thoughts and reasonings in the thread I just put up. Also I hold this more over the shoulders of EA, but the company is known as EA-Bioware so the BW team shares the blame as well.

Modifié par Dreskar, 23 février 2012 - 11:07 .

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Dreskar wrote...

Personally as a CE buyer, I have to scream bloody murder, but I give my thoughts and reasonings in the thread I just put up. Also I hold this more over the shoulders of EA, but the company is known as EA-Bioware so the BW team shares the blame as well.

Yes , but in the end it's kind of like Bioware forced to do it if they want to publish the game.Millions have been spent on creating ME3 , they can't simply walk away from EA and not get their game published.

[Angry Finn]

Everybody keeps saying how bloody important this chap is, but think I'll wait and see what he brings to the table before I'm firing off any judgment shots. Could be he simply just another Zaeed, bringing some extra insight and firepower to the table. Or it could be he has some major story plots tied to him. I dinna know, I dinna care, already got the CE preorder either way.

~But thats just my opinion, no need to go spreading it around.

[Juha81FIN]

Price difference between CE and regular is about 25 usd depending on localization, right now I am not sure how much it is worth to spend extra 10 $ for few mb to get only one character.

[LOST SPARTANJLC]

Angry Finn wrote...

Everybody keeps saying how bloody important this chap is, but think I'll wait and see what he brings to the table before I'm firing off any judgment shots. Could be he simply just another Zaeed, bringing some extra insight and firepower to the table. Or it could be he has some major story plots tied to him. I dinna know, I dinna care, already got the CE preorder either way.

~But thats just my opinion, no need to go spreading it around.

This , I think everybody in an uproar should do this until we have all the facts first.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 23 février 2012 - 11:13 .

[Dreskar]

The main reason so many people are angry is because he is a Prothean, if it had been some other species of the galaxy it would go over much smoother. I mentioned this in my thread but to have a Prothean which is the single most important race in the galaxy and without which the games wouldn't even exist (In lore, not real life of course) and yet to have them be of no consequence or have no impact on the story at all is just as bad as if he had a major impact on the storyline and thus was more a force to pay for the full game sort of deal.

Its importance really only matters because of its race, had it been a batarian/turian/human/krogan/geth/quarian/etc no one would care.

[Chuvvy]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

It's the fact that Bioware are charging extra for a squadmate on Day1; a squadmate that has been in the works alongside ME3 and was in the original leakes script as a character integral to the plot. The fact that it's a Prothean just adds insult to injury.

This, and I had the CE pre ordered, I cancled it and joined in the boycott.

[Mysten]

Mr Fixit wrote...
So, would you be alright with that?

Yes.

That was easy.

[Reever]

I´d be okay with it.

I bought the CE for the extra swag (I mean: Comic, Art of ME, a soundtrack, some weapons, a hoodie and a mech-dog..also some alt. appearance).
This is the the first CE ever that I´ve pre-ordered/bought, so I don´t really feel entitled (this has to be the world of the year, honestly) to anything.
I probably would have bought the Prothean in your scenario there (not sure if on day one though... not that rich ).

[Quarters Alpha]

To answer the OP's question, no I still really wouldn't care much. DLC's not going anywhere. I've long since gotten used to that fact. If I love a game/series enough, I'm going to buy the DLC they release, Day 1 or whatever. ME3's going to be a big game as it is. DLC just makes it bigger. I have no room to complain. I don't want them to have to push the game back another month or three, just so that I have the DLC for free.

Also, in the end, it doesn't overly matter, since your scenario doesn't exist in the first place, making it impossible to be outraged by it.

[Chapity]

Wait, what exactly are we holding against ea? They paid a group of developers x amount of money to create extra content and then charge a fee for said content that is OPTIONAL. Sounds like the free market to me. I cannot get over how many people pull the "sell out" card on bioware for going with ea as there publisher. So, you preferred Microsoft? They basically had the game hostage to xbox and pc. That makes them much better. Would you have preferred activision? We would be on mass effect 6 or 7, or more likely mass effect future warfare 2 by now. Bioware chose to work with someone who would allow them to developed for the largest audience and still allow them to control the content of said game. All power to them. As for prothy costing me ten bucks. It's cheaper than the 80 bucks that the ce cost and as much as robot dog sounds appealing, I didn't want the other stuff like art book and so forth. I get what I want and pay less? Ea is just horrible for giving me options.

[BounceDK]

Zaeed is not a lore critical character. He's just a merc. A Prothean is not just a merc. Pretty simple in my book.

[Dreskar]

Eh chapity it comes down to what the character is, and for people that care about the Lore, which Mass Effect has in spades, the fact it is a prothean just hurts. If it had been any other race, it would have gone over much smoother but being a member of the most vital race and the sole reason Mass Effect is even possible as a game, makes it a bitter pill to swallow.

[Vieuxcruex]

Mr Fixit wrote...

Say, BioWare also announced yesterday that there is another DLC bonus character, a Prothean, that ISN'T in the Collectors Edition, and everyone should pay ten bucks extra to get him, whether you have CE or not. I mean, they didn't promise it would be a Prothean in the CE, right?

So, would you be alright with that? Yeah, I didn't think so.

Thats Strange, I could have sworn thats what they did in Mass Effect 2. Strange enough, I think her name was Kasumi Goto and she happens to be one of the favourite characters for people like myself and others. I also bought the collecters edition for Mass Effect 2 and I wasn't complaining in any way shape or form over that.  So nope, I don't have a problem with having to buy it or whatever.

Personally I'm gonna have more of a problem if the Alliance network is like the Cerebus network, constantly complaining there is more content to buy despite me getting Cerebus network from a code. But complaining because they allowed there to be space for DLC characters, in case they had time and budget to make them later? I have no problem with that. In fact, I hope they had the time to record a bunch more lines, so they can incorpate more future characters that can in fact affect the plot in major ways.

I mean, thats the bigest problem I had with Kasumi and Zaeed. They didn't have the time invested in them to be worthwhile plot wise, for more then a couple of lines and some unique powersets. Same for Lair of the Shadow Broker.

If they have already gotten the lines needed for properply integreated content, they can save a crapload more cash rather then having to fly the voice actors in for every dlc (thus preventing Arrival plot stupidity).

Modifié par Vieuxcruex, 23 février 2012 - 01:10 .

[kleindropper]

I'm not annoyed so much by the cost as I am having to go back over and over and over to get a complete game, while my game is in progress. It seemed kind of stupid in ME2 to pick up two more squadmates when I've already completed the Suicide Mission.

[Goneaviking]

Mr Fixit wrote...

Ever since Bioware confirmed that the DLC squaddie is a Prothean, BSN is in an uprorar. Some are shouting "bloody murder", while others (many of those being Collector Edition buyers) are just saying "who cares. BioWare has the right to charge what they want for optional content. Want it? Buy it!"

Well, here's the thing. What if the bonus DLC squaddie was revealed yesterday to be some Zaeed-like guy? Cool and all, but not really all that important. True optional content, you know. Your $80 CE would still be a great deal, right? DLC character, bonus missions, robo-dog, and all the other nifty stuff.

Say, BioWare also announced yesterday that there is another DLC bonus character, a Prothean, that ISN'T in the Collectors Edition, and everyone should pay ten bucks extra to get him, whether you have CE or not. I mean, they didn't promise it would be a Prothean in the CE, right?

So, would you be alright with that? Yeah, I didn't think so.

$120 actually in Australia, and yeah I would actually. But thanks for answering for me.

When I preordered it I didn't know the character would be a prothean, if it had been something else it wouldn't have bothered me in the slightest.

If they'd announced another DLC character, prothean or not, that cost $10 which wasn't part of my pre-order then I'd consider it based on its presumed merits. No one forced me to buy LotSB or Arrival, I did it because I enjoyed the core game enough to invest more money to expand it and similar considerations would drive my decision.

The prothean is unnecessary. A cool and valuable addition, but not crucial to the story or the enjoyment of anyone who isn't a slavering fanatic.

[Scary Shepard]

Just some food for thought: what differentiates this DLC from Kasumi?

Both are additional content that add an extra squadmate and mission. The only difference is that Kasumi was released AFTER ME2 launched, whereas Prothy is being released simultaneously. Had Prothy been offered, say, 2 months down the line, I doubt anyone would have batted an eyelid. Hell, when Kasumi was announced, it was welcomed.

It seems a primary concern is that people are being denied content, whereas in my opinion it's no different than any other DLC. All that separates them is timing.

Modifié par Scary Shepard, 23 février 2012 - 01:16 .

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Mr Fixit wrote...

Ever since Bioware confirmed that the DLC squaddie is a Prothean, BSN is in an uprorar. Some are shouting "bloody murder", while others (many of those being Collector Edition buyers) are just saying "who cares. BioWare has the right to charge what they want for optional content. Want it? Buy it!"

Well, here's the thing. What if the bonus DLC squaddie was revealed yesterday to be some Zaeed-like guy? Cool and all, but not really all that important. True optional content, you know. Your $80 CE would still be a great deal, right? DLC character, bonus missions, robo-dog, and all the other nifty stuff.

Say, BioWare also announced yesterday that there is another DLC bonus character, a Prothean, that ISN'T in the Collectors Edition, and everyone should pay ten bucks extra to get him, whether you have CE or not. I mean, they didn't promise it would be a Prothean in the CE, right?

So, would you be alright with that? Yeah, I didn't think so.

First off you are assuming that the only reason that I'm buying the CE is JUST because of the DLC. For me personal all of the CE DLC is icing on the cake. I want the metal case, the art book, and the limited edition comic book, the digital soundtrack more than the DLC. All of the CE DLC is just fun add-ons.

FTR I preferred the Normandy Crash Site and Kasumi over Zaeed who was a waste of time.  

[bodhili]

It seems to me they are just making the content that CE buyers are getting to people who didn't manage to get the CE. Would people with the standard edition rather they had no access to this content at all? I get the frustration about it being a Prothean with the story potential but given that it is available in some form or another to everyone I don't think there is much of a problem. You just have to ask yourself how much the content is worth to you and make your choice based on that.

[Beefcake9000]

I had the N7 DDE on order before I knew about this anyway. I never expected another squadmate/mission to be a part of it. Such a thing is a step too far in terms of Day 1 DLC - as a bonus for buying new I have no issue with that. This was content completed before launch as part of the game - it should therefore be in the game for everyone, not only those who can pay more.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Here's the thing:

BioWare wanted a particularly awesome extra feature for the Collector's Edition, so they came up with the Prothean squadmate.

But, if they make such an awesome feature CE-only, everyone else will inevitably complain because it hasn't been made DLC for the rest of us.

However, making said DLC free defeats the purpose of it being a Collector's Edition bonus. So, the only logical compromise is to make it DLC for a price, ergo: people who buy the CE pay extra, as do people who miss out on the CE but want the Prothean anyway.

Unfortunately, making it a DLC for a price inevitably incited an uproar because people think it should have been part of the main game at no extra cost, despite the purpose of it being to provide extra, particularly interesting content for the more expensive Collector's Edition.

So, the moral of the story is, extra content for Collector's Editions that might actually make the additional $10-20+ worth paying, should never be attempted. Because said content is worth paying extra money for, forcing us to pay extra for it constitutes a rip-off.

...Which makes about as much sense as half a penny.

[knightnblu]

HiroVoid wrote...

It was leaked pretty early on that it was a Prothean. You didn't even have to go to the script leak for that.

Indeed. I recall that clearly as well as BioWare's initial denial of it. However, I never purchased the CE because of DLC. I purchased it because it was a great way to cap a series that I really love. I saw the extra goodies as BioWare's thank you to the fans for buying the game.
 
Then everybody finds out about the DLC character being a Prothean and they go ape sh!$. Nobody pointed a gun at them and told them not to buy the CE. If anything, BioWare was exhaustive in informing the fans to buy it both in advertising and on the BSN. But the feeling of entitlement is so strong in today's world and so many people have been told that they are special that everybody thinks that the world ought to kow tow to them.
 
I see it this way, you had your chance (those who complain endlessly) to buy the CE and didn't. Now, you have to live with the consequences despite the fact that you would one day meet up with them. Do you take the lesson? No, you would rather have a tantrum about it.
 
Most people gave up tantrums when they were three or four. Some people keep having them into adulthood. As evidence of this, I give you the BSN. To those people I say, grow up and act like an adult and stop looking for mom's teat. The world doesn't owe you a damned thing and you only get what you pay for.
 
That's how I see it.

(edited for spelling errors)

Modifié par knightnblu, 23 février 2012 - 02:27 .

[Taxonomy]

I am confused. Collector's Edition players were promised a bonus squadmate. Are you saying that it would be better if Standard Edition players were not allowed to purchase that squadmate as DLC?