I want another Zaeed dlc. I'd pay another ten bucks to put that grumpy old bastard in my squad again.
A question for CE owners: What if it had been Zaeed 2.0?
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Mr Fixit
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#127
Posté 23 février 2012 - 06:37
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I agree. Zaeed had had some of the best lines, as well as a great voice actor.
"Fry, you son of a b*tch"
"Fry, you son of a b*tch"
#129
Posté 23 février 2012 - 06:47
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I think the bottom line here is that the existence of the DLC bonus character being a Prothean team member is not a recent revelation. It had been hinted at as far back as the earliest solicitations (although the wording of Prothean was subsequently excised). The media/forum flap over whether this is a fair situation or not rests on when the decision to charge extra for Prothy was made.
Everybody is going to form an opinion based on their level of outrage or I suppose, whether they prepurchased the CE - at least partially due to this instrinsically important to the ME folklore - character actually being available.
For me, the most disingenuous aspect of this media brouhaha is the latest statement made by Bioware that the Prothean character was completed "post-certification" process. That seems in all likelihood to be nothing more than a lie! I'm of the opinion that much of this decision was leveraged by EA Games, but that doesn't excuse hurling bull**** when your public calls you on it.
Everybody is going to form an opinion based on their level of outrage or I suppose, whether they prepurchased the CE - at least partially due to this instrinsically important to the ME folklore - character actually being available.
For me, the most disingenuous aspect of this media brouhaha is the latest statement made by Bioware that the Prothean character was completed "post-certification" process. That seems in all likelihood to be nothing more than a lie! I'm of the opinion that much of this decision was leveraged by EA Games, but that doesn't excuse hurling bull**** when your public calls you on it.
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#131
Posté 23 février 2012 - 06:57
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Mr Fixit wrote...
Ever since Bioware confirmed that the DLC squaddie is a Prothean, BSN is in an uprorar. Some are shouting "bloody murder", while others (many of those being Collector Edition buyers) are just saying "who cares. BioWare has the right to charge what they want for optional content. Want it? Buy it!"
Well, here's the thing. What if the bonus DLC squaddie was revealed yesterday to be some Zaeed-like guy? Cool and all, but not really all that important. True optional content, you know. Your $80 CE would still be a great deal, right? DLC character, bonus missions, robo-dog, and all the other nifty stuff.
Say, BioWare also announced yesterday that there is another DLC bonus character, a Prothean, that ISN'T in the Collectors Edition, and everyone should pay ten bucks extra to get him, whether you have CE or not. I mean, they didn't promise it would be a Prothean in the CE, right?
So, would you be alright with that? Yeah, I didn't think so.
still wouldn't care, it's a good business strategy....i want what i was promised in the CE.....i still think they're doing a solid by letting everybody have access to it day 1.....i'd also pay the 10 extra bones and get the new guy too...
#132
Posté 23 février 2012 - 06:59
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also, i'd pay double for a batarian squaddie....
#133
Posté 23 février 2012 - 07:06
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Yes, I would cheerfully have paid my $10 to get yet more extra content and another extra character, just like I did last time for Kasumi. The day of release is wholly irrelevant, this guy was always going to be DLC. If a different character had been the CE person and the Prothean had been separate, both STILL would be DLC, and I STILL would have gotten my bonus mission and character in the CE.
The pretzel logic used to justify getting content that has been billed as additional DLC content since the day we learned about it for free because they got it done in time for the game's release is honestly disgusting.
The pretzel logic used to justify getting content that has been billed as additional DLC content since the day we learned about it for free because they got it done in time for the game's release is honestly disgusting.
#134
Posté 23 février 2012 - 07:20
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THIS!!! it's so beautifulTheBlackBaron wrote...
The question is irrelevant, because the Prothean IS the same as Zaeed. Cool and all, but not really important. The difference here is he comes only with the CE instead of with all new copies. I've yet to see one scrap of evidence that Prothy is critical to or even a significant part of the plot, except for this video put out by a Yahtzee-wannabe. The BSN is once again working itself up into a frothing rage based on nothing more than speculation and misinformation. If it wasn't a damn Prothean - which I still think is a stupid idea for a squadmate - nobody would even care, because the tinfoil epileptic trees theories that spawned this entire mess would be dismissed instead of generating a mass "OMG HEZ OLD HE MUST BE 'PORTANT!" hysteria over NOTHING.
In your scenario, Prothy is at best Kasumi 2.0. More than likely I'd get the **** over it being another piece of Day 1 DLC and buy it, because I actually enjoy this series, and I'm not a whiny, entitled, overindulged so-called fan. If it bothers you that much, just pirate the damn thing and get your jollies from taking a stand against big evil corporate EAware.
#135
Posté 23 février 2012 - 07:23
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its the beast wrote...
THIS!!! it's so beautifulTheBlackBaron wrote...
The question is irrelevant, because the Prothean IS the same as Zaeed. Cool and all, but not really important. The difference here is he comes only with the CE instead of with all new copies. I've yet to see one scrap of evidence that Prothy is critical to or even a significant part of the plot, except for this video put out by a Yahtzee-wannabe. The BSN is once again working itself up into a frothing rage based on nothing more than speculation and misinformation. If it wasn't a damn Prothean - which I still think is a stupid idea for a squadmate - nobody would even care, because the tinfoil epileptic trees theories that spawned this entire mess would be dismissed instead of generating a mass "OMG HEZ OLD HE MUST BE 'PORTANT!" hysteria over NOTHING.
In your scenario, Prothy is at best Kasumi 2.0. More than likely I'd get the **** over it being another piece of Day 1 DLC and buy it, because I actually enjoy this series, and I'm not a whiny, entitled, overindulged so-called fan. If it bothers you that much, just pirate the damn thing and get your jollies from taking a stand against big evil corporate EAware.
No, it's reeks of stupidity and immaturity and indicates the poster is spineless fool. "I'm going to shoot down possibilities and speculation and then bring up my own speculation and possibilities and call it true."
#136
Posté 23 février 2012 - 07:23
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It's pretty obvious when you realize that DLC also has to go through a pretty lenghty certification and testing process by Microsoft and Sony.chuckwells62 wrote...
I think the bottom line here is that the existence of the DLC bonus character being a Prothean team member is not a recent revelation. It had been hinted at as far back as the earliest solicitations (although the wording of Prothean was subsequently excised). The media/forum flap over whether this is a fair situation or not rests on when the decision to charge extra for Prothy was made.
Everybody is going to form an opinion based on their level of outrage or I suppose, whether they prepurchased the CE - at least partially due to this instrinsically important to the ME folklore - character actually being available.
For me, the most disingenuous aspect of this media brouhaha is the latest statement made by Bioware that the Prothean character was completed "post-certification" process. That seems in all likelihood to be nothing more than a lie! I'm of the opinion that much of this decision was leveraged by EA Games, but that doesn't excuse hurling bull**** when your public calls you on it.
Battlefield 3's Back to Karkand was delayed a couple of weeks because of this.
Modifié par Bravo0o, 23 février 2012 - 07:24 .
#137
Posté 23 février 2012 - 08:44
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Yes, I would be ok with it, but I would not LIKE IT, as why would anyone ever want to pay more for something over getting it bundled with the other thing they bought? I can understand why anyone would not like it, but I cannot understand why they feel there is some moral wrongdoing here. A producer should have the right to charge what they want for the products they make, as well as sell them in whatever quantity or package deals they see fit, it is their product. It is either a good business move or a bad one, but not immoral. Don't feel the product deserves your money? Do not buy the product. You have every right not to buy it as they do to charge more for it. If this were a matter of a monopoly over food or fuel that people need and a business taking advantage of that monopoly to charge outrageous prices, then there would be a morallity argument to be made, but so long as we are discussing a entertainment product with no such monopoly, just buy something else from someone else if you do not like it.
I would also like to point out that the pricing standardization on videogames is probably a large part of what makes this seem so unfair to many people. Every game is usually $60 or whatever it is in your country, no matter how much content is actually in that game. There is no absolute measure of what content is worth. A 5 hour game with amazing gameplay or a 200 hour game with average gameplay, it is all subjective which is more worth the price, yet both would be $60, even another third game that's both 5 hours AND has average or even poor gameplay would still be $60. You as the consumer decide what is worth your money by buying one of them, you do not have the right to tell any one of the developers of those three games that they don't have the right to charge $60 for their game. If it is distasteful, then their punishment will be fewer sales, not moral condemnation. That said, feel free to boycott the game, that is your right, and I would not blame anyone for it, good on you for deciding what you want to do with your money and not supporting what you feel is a poor business practice, just don't think they don't have the right to try to sale it in the first place.
How does this relate to this issue? The value of all this content is likewise completely subjective. Mass Effect 3 could be a 100 hour game or a 10 hour one, and could have great gameplay or terrible gameplay, but would STILL cost $60 regardless. Therefore, it is and has always been a matter of what the game actually has for its price and never a matter of what the game could have had, because there is an endless list of could haves.
What I'm saying is, an accurate judgment of the game's value should be based on what you actually get for $60, not what other DLC could have potentially been included. If you do not think what was in that $60 game was worthwhile, then fair enough. But the potential for more does not make what is less. And yes, the DLC very well could have made the difference in makeing you feel the $60 was appropriate had it been included, but it wasn't, so you do not buy the game, and you do not submit positive reviews. Not BECAUSE the DLC was missing, but because without the DLC, it was not enough. Again, what it could have been does not have an effect on what it is.
I would also like to point out that the pricing standardization on videogames is probably a large part of what makes this seem so unfair to many people. Every game is usually $60 or whatever it is in your country, no matter how much content is actually in that game. There is no absolute measure of what content is worth. A 5 hour game with amazing gameplay or a 200 hour game with average gameplay, it is all subjective which is more worth the price, yet both would be $60, even another third game that's both 5 hours AND has average or even poor gameplay would still be $60. You as the consumer decide what is worth your money by buying one of them, you do not have the right to tell any one of the developers of those three games that they don't have the right to charge $60 for their game. If it is distasteful, then their punishment will be fewer sales, not moral condemnation. That said, feel free to boycott the game, that is your right, and I would not blame anyone for it, good on you for deciding what you want to do with your money and not supporting what you feel is a poor business practice, just don't think they don't have the right to try to sale it in the first place.
How does this relate to this issue? The value of all this content is likewise completely subjective. Mass Effect 3 could be a 100 hour game or a 10 hour one, and could have great gameplay or terrible gameplay, but would STILL cost $60 regardless. Therefore, it is and has always been a matter of what the game actually has for its price and never a matter of what the game could have had, because there is an endless list of could haves.
What I'm saying is, an accurate judgment of the game's value should be based on what you actually get for $60, not what other DLC could have potentially been included. If you do not think what was in that $60 game was worthwhile, then fair enough. But the potential for more does not make what is less. And yes, the DLC very well could have made the difference in makeing you feel the $60 was appropriate had it been included, but it wasn't, so you do not buy the game, and you do not submit positive reviews. Not BECAUSE the DLC was missing, but because without the DLC, it was not enough. Again, what it could have been does not have an effect on what it is.
Modifié par Zandercode, 23 février 2012 - 09:00 .
#138
Posté 23 février 2012 - 09:21
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Why again is everyone saying that the Prothean is important? Zaeed made sense in ME 2 - the mission required mercenaries that didn't care about the odds of success - but the Prothean doesn't: we already know what happened to them 50,000 years ago, and that they hindered the next culling - but even if they hadn't, humanity still would been spared - we were just beginning to build cities when Soveriegn tried to access the Citadel.
#139
Posté 23 février 2012 - 11:43
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I think that it is wrong what Bioware are doing, holding an important character back to sell seperately from the main game. I have pre-ordered the Collectors Edition and I'm glad that there is an extra squad member with that, after all it is more expensive but a PROTHEAN? How can that not be important to the main game? Unlike many other obnoxious CE buyers, I agree with you completely dude. It's just plain wrong.
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Posté 24 février 2012 - 12:03
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So what makes THIS prothean so special? Other than being the last of a dead species, I mean. For all we know he was just a janitor or something. Y'all keep shouting about how he's so intergral to the story by simply being a prothean as though he brings nothing to the table other than what he is. I'll wait till I play the game before I start ranting like a looney torwards either side of the argument I guess.
~But thats just my opinion, no need to go spreading it around.
~But thats just my opinion, no need to go spreading it around.
#141
Posté 24 février 2012 - 12:15
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Given that I will almost certainly be throwing my money at Bioware at every opportunity for all of their DLC content I would have been okay with it. I would have been perplexed why they didn't just include him in the CE and charge more for it if that's what they needed to do- the point of the CE is that it includes all the goodies at launch with no hassle. So, puzzled, but still would have bought it.
#142
Posté 24 février 2012 - 12:22
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Get the hell over it! Collectors Edition is supposed to be special! If your a real fan get the CE!
#143
Posté 24 février 2012 - 12:24
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We've known about this for quite some time since last June I believe. It was kind of obvious even just based off the rumor itself. But to answer your question, I might be a little annoyed, but I'd still buy it because I love the Mass Effect series. Then again people also forget that a Collectors Edition of any game always comes with more/extra content be it dlc, physical items, etc.
#144
Posté 24 février 2012 - 12:24
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I cancelled my limited edition and preordered the standard edition when I found out about the prothean dlc be available day one, I'll be saving £20 if I buy the SE and the dlc that way and the character and mission was all I was interested in. Oh yeah if you live in the UK, Bristol and you still want the limited edition, I cancelled it yesterday in gamestation (city centre), get running!
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