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[Radahldo]

He was calling the class repetitive and generic, not ineffective.

[minianthunter]

That sounds almost like it's his opinion of it being the worst class, and that its not actually fact.

[Arppis]

Radahldo wrote...

He was calling the class repetitive and generic, not ineffective.

That sounds like every class in the MP.

[tomcruisejr]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Not true, all classes are fairly well balanced

rofl......what? This is one of the most imba mp's i've played in a long time. Try an asari adept then a human one.

Modifié par tomcruisejr, 23 février 2012 - 05:49 .

[Radahldo]

Yeah, he was asking if others felt the same way. It's how topics and 'conversations' work sometimes.

[Radahldo]

I do have to say that 'spamming concussive shot' doesn't sound like very fun and varied gameplay.

[Ivoryhammer]

I disagree, I find the soldier to be really fun and I do pretty well with it.

[The Makatak]

"I not gud wif clas.

Clas sukz."

Logical conclusion.

[FeralEwok]

The soldier doesn't need alot of fancy tech or biotics.

They are a stable element on the field, capable of delivering a steady fire downrange, while also managing to take a beating.

They are not very flashy, but that's part of the job discription.

[Alamar2078]

Even if you're a CB spammer wouldn't most other spammer classes spam much better than the Human Soldier???

Plus isn't there problem with team synergy when all you can do is knock someone down / stagger the enemy before teammates can target them with a sniper shot or one of their powers??

Doesn't the above basically mean "ick"??

Modifié par Alamar2078, 23 février 2012 - 06:46 .

[Thoragoros]

Why has no one mentioned the decent 30% bonus to damage that Adrenline gets you? Add that ontop of a decent Assault Rifle, and you're dealing out some impressive damage without the need to micro like the other classes.

[incinerator950]

It's fine.

[Alamar2078]

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Modifié par Alamar2078, 23 février 2012 - 06:45 .

[SovereignWillReturn]

Frag Grenades are godly. Rememeber that.

What I did was max my passives, and didn't use my powers, (Since Adrenaline sucks and spammig CS is boring)

So I loaded a Revenant and Widow on my Human Soldier. Lots O' Fun.

[Thoragoros]

Also, focusing purely on 'spamming' concusive shots REALLY misses the point on the Soldier's strengths.

1) You don't rely on powers therefore you can take a bunch of weapons with you into battle without having to worry too much about your cooldown times.

2) Adrenaline Rush. It doesn't have the time dilation in MP but it still has that very beefy 30% Damage increase for its duration. Adrenaline Rush + Rifle = Easy Damage.

3) No weaknesses.  Unlike almost all the other classes/races the Soldier doesn't suffer a 'primary' weakness, which is itself a strength.

4) Easy to be effective with.

Modifié par Thoragoros, 23 février 2012 - 06:50 .

[Alamar2078]

SovereignWillReturn wrote...

Frag Grenades are godly. Rememeber that.

What I did was max my passives, and didn't use my powers, (Since Adrenaline sucks and spammig CS is boring)

So I loaded a Revenant and Widow on my Human Soldier. Lots O' Fun.

Your way of playing [load up on passives / grenades / gold-level weapons] sounds like the only appealing way to play to me.   Now I just have to unlock all of the "gold lovelies"

YMMV

[Mettyx]

Human soldier in ME2 was about waiting for an opportuinity and then eliminate multiple oponents in one burst.
Now it feels like...nothing, it's just devoid of any speciality.

Also frag grenades are horrible, just 2 and they bounce off somewhere completely of the mark.

Modifié par Mettyx, 23 février 2012 - 06:51 .

[Itkovian]

I disagree, my main is a human Soldier and he does rather well.

I find that focusing on the maximizing carrying capacity and lowering weapon weight can be very useful.

My current configuration is an Avenger with a scoped Phalanx (for precision long range power), and my concussive shot CD is 1.5 seconds while Adrenaline Rush is 3 seconds (maybe 3.5).

With those cooldowns, I can spam CS when needed (very useful against most targets), and if I see a cluster of enemies (and don't feel like throwing a grenade), I can pop Adrenaline Rush to mow down that cluster without incurring a significant cooldown. It makes AR actually very useful (especially since I can get off a free CS each time, with the proper rank 6 evolution), which is a power that is otherwise underused (due to its normally high cooldown).

And let's not forget Frag Grenades, which are tremendously useful. If you can, fight near the ammo supply, and you can fairly spam grenades for excellent effect.

So, all in all, I'd say the human soldier is pretty good... but you definitely should not overload him. Keep the cooldowns low, and you will be very effective.

Itkovian

[SovereignWillReturn]

Alamar2078 wrote...

SovereignWillReturn wrote...

Frag Grenades are godly. Rememeber that.

What I did was max my passives, and didn't use my powers, (Since Adrenaline sucks and spammig CS is boring)

So I loaded a Revenant and Widow on my Human Soldier. Lots O' Fun.

Your way of playing [load up on passives / grenades / gold-level weapons] sounds like the only appealing way to play to me.   Now I just have to unlock all of the "gold lovelies"

YMMV

My recommendation is that you give he revenent the assualt rifle scope and stabilizer, unless your scope is level 2 or below, then I'd stick with the thermal expansion slot. The widow...is just that.

Until you get the goldie weapons, just roll with the Avenger/Mattock or Mantis/Scimitar. Depends on your preference.

[Arppis]

Radahldo wrote...

I do have to say that 'spamming concussive shot' doesn't sound like very fun and varied gameplay.

Other classes have their powers that they spam too. You'll also toss grenades as Soldier too. It's not much different to my Vanguard. I just charge, maybe nova shoot few times and charge again.

Mettyx wrote...

Also frag grenades are horrible, just 2 and they bounce off somewhere completely of the mark.

No they aren't, you just need to learn to use them. They aren't targeted like the other powers.

Alamar2078 wrote...

Even if you're a CB spammer wouldn't most other spammer classes spam much better than the Human Soldier???

Plus
isn't there problem with team synergy when all you can do is knock
someone down / stagger the enemy before teammates can target them with a
sniper shot or one of their powers??

Doesn't the above basically mean "ick"??

Most powers  that you spam don't push shielded Phantoms back like concusion shot does. It works very well against them, not to mention Atlas mechs, guys in cover, etc... I'm sure biotics can do that too, but they don't do as good damage with weapons as Soldier does. So you can deal damage and keep your foes in the ground.

It's a thing of beauty.

Modifié par Arppis, 23 février 2012 - 07:09 .

[Aielex]

Let my squad mates play with their gimmicky moves. I'm going to shoot bad guys with bullets. I've played all the classes (not every race) and when I need my best to win a silver or gold round, I fall back on my revenant toting soldier with extended clips and recoil dampener.

An engineer sees a Centurion and thinks alright, I'll overload him. Sees an armored enemy like a turret or Atlas, and needs to alternate overload and incinerate. Sees a Guardian and has to pull out a probe or turret to distract them. I just shoot them all in the face. And when it comes down to it, dead is dead.

[Nizzemancer]

Mettyx wrote...

I tried vanguard, adept, sentinel, engineer and they have all something special going on that makes you want to play them regularly, even Krogan soldier.

But human soldier is just all around dreadful, there is simply nothing going on with this class.

Yeah that's why it's the only class I've leveled past 15, or even past 10...

Concussive Shot, Frag Grenade, AR = PWNage...

[Nizzemancer]

Radahldo wrote...

I do have to say that 'spamming concussive shot' doesn't sound like very fun and varied gameplay.

It's awesome.

"PHANTOM! *BAM* *BAM* *BAM* RATATATATATA *BAM* *BAM* RATATATATATA *SMACK*"

Now Quarian Engineer on the other hand...*spam turret* boooooring (but I'll admit it's effective)

Modifié par Nizzemancer, 23 février 2012 - 07:18 .

[Nizzemancer]

Mettyx wrote...

Human soldier in ME2 was about waiting for an opportuinity and then eliminate multiple oponents in one burst.
Now it feels like...nothing, it's just devoid of any speciality.

Also frag grenades are horrible, just 2 and they bounce off somewhere completely of the mark.

Maybe you should learn how to use them then?

And you can have 3, not 2.

[JohnDoe]

speaking of soldiers, I wish they could add the "remove" or "retire" character button.
I'm sick of having my Soldier bugged up (all the powers except adrenaline are not in the top bar, but they appear in the shift menu)
all of this because I got the solder to level up (even when it was not created yet) by earning exp via supplybox.