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[Hadeedak]

Prooooooo--thee-annnnnn.

Mhm....

[NM_Che56]

Core_Commander wrote...

This voice... the accent makes no sense.

We heard a Prothean speech by proxy of Vigil, and the command console on Ilos in ME1 ("cannot be stopped!"). It sounded nothing like that.

I realize the unfortunate implications and possible cries of racism, but I would be just as dismayed if his accent was, say, French or distinctively British - simply because it has no similarity whatsoever to Prothean speech so far.

Not all humans sound alike so maybe they don't either.  Also what we hear is what Shepard heard in his head.  No one else understood Vigil.  So in ME maybe we're not hearing an organic prothean voice.

[Core_Commander]

AxisEvolve wrote...
Humans have thousands of accents. But Protheans can only have one? Thats pretty unimaginative.

Protheans are also spread across the Galaxy. Think how much this would make their accents be even more distinctly different.

Protheans studied early forms of humans on Earth. Early humans came from Africa.. SURPRISE! The Prothean speaks in an African tongue.

The comparison to Humans is sort of out of place, since alien presentation has been pretty consistent so far and Prothy marks an extremely late precedence. The third part of the series, with the singular member of the species (acting as its "representation" by default) speaking with a hugely different accent than what was presented so far is sort of rapid and jarring change, after what the series have made us used to. It's not about what humans do, but about what the aliens have been doing for years in ME universe.

Why change now, and with such a prominent figure? I simply don't understand the reasoning behind the decision, regardless of whether or not it could be rationalized in-universe (as pretty much everything can, with enough effort).

It's as if after meeting Nihlus and Saren and getting sort of acquainted with Turian speech, the Turian squadmate Garrus had a thick French accent for no apparent reason. Only worse, because he's not the only Turian in existence.

Master Che wrote...
Not all humans sound alike so maybe they
don't either.  Also what we hear is what Shepard heard in his head.  No
one else understood Vigil.  So in ME maybe we're not hearing an organic
prothean voice.

You may want to double-check on that. The initial gibberish at the command console on Ilos was only understood by Shepard. Vigil was clearly understood by all your squadmates, who comment on that very fact and then give opinions during the conversation proper.

Modifié par Core_Commander, 23 février 2012 - 06:26 .

[AxisEvolve]

Core_Commander wrote...
The comparison to Humans is sort of out of place, since alien presentation has been pretty consistent so far and Prothy marks an extremely late precedence. The third part of the cycle, with the singular member of the species (acting as its "representation" by default) speaking with a hugely different accent than what was presented so far is sort of rapid and jarring change, after what the series have made us used to. It's not about what humans do, but about what the aliens have been doing for years in ME universe. Why change now, and with such a prominent figure?

Most aliens don't even actually speak English, it's just the translator doing its job.

It's as if after meeting Nihlus and Saren, the Turian squadmate Garrus had a thick French accent for no apparent reason.

Not really. 
There's no reason to assume that accents are a unique human thing. I don't think Bioware have been trying to make the aliens "consistent" by giving them the same voice. That's obviously not even close to being true.

If anything the "aliens mostly sounding the same" issue comes from a limit in voice actors. It's not meant to imply that any races in the Mass Effect Universe are simple or even similar.

They change now because they can elaborate on the difference between species. It was never implied that all of the aliens were two dimensional and only a few sounded uniquely different.

Modifié par AxisEvolve, 23 février 2012 - 06:25 .

[android654]

To people complaining about the Ethiopian accent.

Quarians
/endthread

[Core_Commander]

AxisEvolve wrote...
Not really. 
There's no reason to assume that accents are a unique human thing. I don't think Bioware have been trying to make the aliens "consistent" by giving them the same voice. That's obviously not even close to being true.

If anything the "aliens mostly sounding the same" issue comes from a limit in voice actors. It's not meant to imply that any races in the Mass Effect Universe are simple or even similar.

They change now because they can elaborate on the difference between species. It was never implied that all of the aliens were two dimensional and only a few sounded uniquely different.

Even with limited number of actors, them picking same voice actors to keeps them consistent. Otherwise you'd have Asari with Quarian "accent", which isn't the case (they need to record different lines for different characters, so it wouldn't hurt them to use different voice actors out of the pool, since they are already hiring them. They keep the same actors for same races, however. Why? Consistency).

I don't even see where the "two dimensional" line even comes from. So speaking in a voice similar to Vigil (the longest "Prothean" conversation in-game, and a very memorable moment) would make the character "two-dimensional"? It needs a thick accent to drive the point home that "hey it's an alien you're talking to"?

I don't hate the voice per se, just don't understand the decision to use it. BW/EA has a huge pool of actors to choose from, I believe, so that must've been a conscious decision to change it. I'd like to know why, what were they trying to convey by that, but sadly it's all speculation without someone actually in the know coming out and explaining. I know it can be rationalized, but would like to know the thought process, not ex post facto guessing.

Modifié par Core_Commander, 23 février 2012 - 06:36 .

[GodWood]

AxisEvolve wrote...
Protheans studied early forms of humans on Earth. Early humans came from Africa.. SURPRISE! The Prothean speaks in an African tongue.

You think in the 200,000 (ish) years the human race has existed the "African" accent has remained a constant? That's pretty silly.

However it wouldn't suprise me if Bioware shared your reasoning when it came to picking the VO.

[android654]

Arcian wrote...

Core_Commander wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...
Humans have thousands of accents. But Protheans can only have one? Thats pretty unimaginative.

Protheans are also spread across the Galaxy. Think how much this would make their accents be even more distinctly different.

Protheans studied early forms of humans on Earth. Early humans came from Africa.. SURPRISE! The Prothean speaks in an African tongue.

The comparison to Humans is sort of out of place, since alien presentation has been pretty consistent so far and Prothy marks an extremely late precedence. The third part of the series, with the singular member of the species (acting as its "representation" by default) speaking with a hugely different accent than what was presented so far is sort of rapid and jarring change, after what the series have made us used to. It's not about what humans do, but about what the aliens have been doing for years in ME universe.

Why change now, and with such a prominent figure? I simply don't understand the reasoning behind the decision, regardless of whether or not it could be rationalized in-universe (as pretty much everything can, with enough effort).

It's as if after meeting Nihlus and Saren and getting sort of acquainted with Turian speech, the Turian squadmate Garrus had a thick French accent for no apparent reason. Only worse, because he's not the only Turian in existence.

I'm sorry, you must have missed the quarian species. Tali has an eastern european accent, her father had a german one, Admiral Shala'raan had an iranian one while Admiral Han'Gerrel and admiral Daro'Xen both had british accents.

Seriously, can't you just say "I hate africans" instead of posting a wall of text of BS?

He can't, because he's too busy trying to seem intellectual about his point while ignoring the plethora of accents already present.

[Core_Commander]

First of all, Quarians are an exception so far. No other species
varies by accent, and it could be speculated that it's due to their
pilgrimage taking them to all parts of the galaxy. Good point though,
but they're not the singular representative of their species.

Bad
point on the other one, and quite rude too. I don't hate Africans, in
fact have never met one, so no strong feelings there either way. I just
remember Vigil as "talking to a Prothean" moment and would like to know
what's up with the changes. I do believe Tali's VA is Iranian though,
not Eastern European, and for the record - it's not like I'm not
bothered with it because "I love Iranians", either.

I knew someone would pull the "ur racist" card, but hey, internet.

Modifié par Core_Commander, 23 février 2012 - 06:52 .

[Merchant2006]

Hadeedak wrote...

Prooooooo--thee-annnnnn.

Mhm....

Do not ingest.

[AxisEvolve]

GodWood wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...
Protheans studied early forms of humans on Earth. Early humans came from Africa.. SURPRISE! The Prothean speaks in an African tongue.

You think in the 200,000 (ish) years the human race has existed the "African" accent has remained a constant? That's pretty silly.

Of course not.

But since the Protheans were tracking the evolution of so many species, it's possible they could have predicted the outcome of (roughly) what a voice would evolve into. It's a stretch but it's possible for an advanced race.

My point wasn't a "it has to be true". It was more of an example of how Bioware could explain it, if they had to.

[android654]

Core_Commander wrote...

Arcian wrote...
I'm sorry, you must have missed the quarian species. Tali has an eastern european accent, her father had a german one, Admiral Shala'raan had an iranian one while Admiral Han'Gerrel and admiral Daro'Xen both had british accents.

Seriously, can't you just say "I hate africans" instead of posting a wall of text of BS?

First of all, Quarians are an exception so far. No other species varies by accent, and it could be speculated that it's due to their pilgrimage taking them to all parts of the galaxy. Good point though, but they're not the singular representative of their species.

Bad point on the other one, and quite rude too. I don't hate Africans, in fact have never met one, so no strong feelings there either way. I just remember Vigil as "talking to a Prothean" moment and would like to know what's up with the changes. I do believe Tali's VA is Iranian though, not Eastern European, and for the record - it's not like I'm not bothered with it because "I love Iranians", either.

I knew someone would pull the "ur racist" card, but hey, internet.

Tali's accent is actually non descript. More of a fake one than set in an actual region, so where her va is from doesn't matter.

What did you expect? You made a ridiculus arguement and when a valid claim is made to counter it you simply say, "Well they are an exception." You're being ridiculous, so stop it.

[Core_Commander]

android654 wrote...
Tali's accent is actually non descript. More of a fake one than set in an actual region, so where her va is from doesn't matter.

What did you expect? You made a ridiculus arguement and when a valid claim is made to counter it you simply say, "Well they are an exception." You're being ridiculous, so stop it.

Sigh. My whole point is that there's a difference between "one of many" (Quarians, who are indeed an exception because I get the feeling that most of the VA are simply making an effort to mimic Tali VA's accent) and "the ONLY one". We've met an "ONLY one" already in a game-changing event (Vigil), now the other "ONLY one" sounds nothing like that previous one whatsoever. I'm curious is that deliberate, ask a question about possible motivations, am called a racist.

Basically, if you have only two specimen, and one of them has wholly different traits than the other, you'll wonder if it's the same species in the first place... hmmm. Come to think of it, he doesn't look anything like the Ilos statues/Codex entry either.

If I'm being ridiculous, then at least I'm not the only one.

Modifié par Core_Commander, 23 février 2012 - 07:04 .

[GodWood]

AxisEvolve wrote...
Of course not.

But since the Protheans were tracking the evolution of so many species, it's possible they could have predicted the outcome of (roughly) what a voice would evolve into. It's a stretch but it's possible for an advanced race.

Not at all.

My point wasn't a "it has to be true". It was more of an example of how Bioware could explain it, if they had to.

If that was Bioware's explanation my palm would go right through my skull. (although like I said, it wouldn't suprise me)

The best explantion for it is "i dunno it just sounds cool lol".

[NM_Che56]

What's wrong with the prothean having an accent though? Don't we ALL HAVE accents?
Just don't make him sound like Jar Jar or a neimoidian
About Vigil: my bad.

[Thoth_Amon]

Too bad Americans are too lazy to read subtitles. This character would be a lot more awesome with it's own Prothean language instead of Jar Jar Binksing him.

[Core_Commander]

Master Che wrote...
What's wrong with the prothean having an accent though? Don't we ALL HAVE accents?
Just don't make him sound like Jar Jar or a neimoidian
About Vigil: my bad.

Well, that's the gist of my problem. Nothing principially wrong, just curious why give him one, and so distinctive. Why to this character, and why so different from the prievious one.

Would have to hear it more in-game to actually make up my mind whether I like it or not (watched only for a bit, wary of spoilers).

I actually hope someone from BW shows up sooner or later and sheds some light on the matter (or maybe it'd be in one of the art books).

[AxisEvolve]

Core_Commander wrote...
Sigh. My whole point is that there's a difference between "one of many" (Quarians) and "the ONLY one". We've met an "ONLY one" already (Vigil), now the other "ONLY one" is different. I'm curious is that deliberate, ask a question about possible motivations, am called a racist.

If I'm being ridiculous, then at least I'm not the only one.

You say it yourself, we had only heard one Prothean. So why is it so surprising that the next one you hear sounds different? The Quarians all live on the same ship and you hear at least 5 distincly different accents from them. 
The Protheans had an vast empire, spread across the galaxy. Logic assumes that they would sound divergent from each other. A scientist on Ilos is going to have a different accent than a soldier on Eden Prime. That's just the way it works.



@
Arcian  

Haha. Ok. Thanks.

Modifié par AxisEvolve, 23 février 2012 - 07:05 .

[GodWood]

Arcian wrote...
Just ignore GodWood. He's a butthurt Cerberusf*g looking to get a rise out of people. Don't pay any attention to him and he'll leave in desperation.

And here was me thinking you'd made nice.

Anyways don't slander my name and derail the topic troll, my point is completely true and on topic.

[GodWood]

AxisEvolve wrote...
@ Arcian  

Haha. Ok. Thanks.

Seriously dude, think harder about what you're suggesting.

With your explantion the protheans would have to predict 200,000 years of human migration patterns, wars, different languages/dialects/accents and how they interact with one another, colonialism, imperialism, famine, natural disasters etc etc.

And then for some reason cut off their tracking at "the 21st century" and then for no apparent reason adopt the accent. Your explantion is simply silly.

[Nissun]

AxisEvolve wrote...

You say it yourself, we had only heard one Prothean. So why is it so surprising that the next one you hear sounds different? The Quarians all live on the same ship and you hear at least 5 distincly different accents from them. 

And the best part of that is that it worked extremely well.

Anyone remember Li (short for Lilihierax I think), the Turian on Noveria? He had one heck of an accent! 

[lietk12]

Core_Commander wrote...


No other species 
varies by accent.

Edit: I've been ninja'd!

Modifié par lietk12, 23 février 2012 - 07:15 .