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[ReallyRue]

lietk12 wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Also, now that I think about it, I don't recall the game saying the protheans were more advanced then the current ME galaxy.

You never played the part in ME1 where somebody named Commander Shepard entered something called the Conduit, did you?

And there's the fact that most people (i.e. "the game") considered the Mass Relays and Citadel to be made by the Protheans, until we discovered otherwise. I think in ME1 alone, it was stated pretty frequently that people believed the Protheans an advanced race.

[Cazlee]

The "non earthlike" accents that Bioware does just sound jarring and fake.

Leliana (French British blend), Zevran (almost Spanish), Tali (fake whatever), Prothean (not sure which country). That being said, Leliana's accent eventually began sounding "natural". Some fans have suggested that the prothean's voice actor is Eko from Lost, and he has a voice that makes any mundane work sound spectacular. Even so I hate the prothean's accent. :|

[Cuddlezarro]

Leliena's VA is french but lived in london so it wasnt fake

[Redditaur]

Arcian wrote...

Redditaur wrote...

I love Prothy.

Japanese styled armor.
Bug-Man like feel.
African voice.

Welcome Aboard.

... the lovetrain?

Yes put replace Dr Cox with Prothy

[Han Shot First]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Eh, the voice'll grow on me I'm sure. On the face of it I disliked the fact that they chose an african accent. Didn't really seem to fit to me. It was such a distinctive and recognizable accent that in my opinion it undermines the uniqueness of the character.

It just lacked the mystery that I think that character needed.

Course I'm not too keen on the idea of a prothean squadmate in the first place but I'll save that for another thread.

Did you also feel that Tali's distinctive and easily recognizable Eastern European accent was an issue as well? I just fail to see how an African accent somehow undermines a character while a Eastern European one does not.

[MAG Baxter]

Awesome ! it would have annoyed me if it was a Western accent, more diversity in Videogames is always welcome in my book. Civilisation was born in Africa and the Mid East, an African Accent makes perfect sense to fit it into the Prothean culture.

[Treopod]

I will say once again that you cant really compare the quarian accents with the prothean, first of all the quarians are masked and very similar to humans in design, while we havent actually seen their faces yet, there is much indication that they look quite similar to humans, so an human accent for them isnt that jarring.

but the other major difference is the fact that most quarians are not major characters, and there are many of them.
btw i will say that kal'reegars american accent sounded weird after you had gotten used to the other quarian accents, i didnt like it but he wasnt a major character so it wasnt an issue. 

The prothean is a very important character in the lore, and is the sole representative of that race, so there is a greater importance here that his voice sounds surreal ,powerful and ancient.

i will repost the protoss voices here just for the sake of it, i know its to late now but imagine if the prothean sounded similar to this, it would have been so cool..





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3oj2Ffu99X8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osHw3KMMlwQ&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcdynwmVwAw&feature=related

every Sci-fi universe should have protoss lol...

Modifié par Treopod, 23 février 2012 - 11:38 .

[Treopod]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Core_Commander wrote...

This voice... the accent makes no sense.

We heard a Prothean speech by proxy of Vigil, and the command console on Ilos in ME1 ("cannot be stopped!"). It sounded nothing like that.

I realize the unfortunate implications and possible cries of racism, but I would be just as dismayed if his accent was, say, French or distinctively British - simply because it has no similarity whatsoever to Prothean speech so far.

Humans have thousands of accents. But Protheans can only have one? Thats pretty unimaginative.

Protheans are also spread across the Galaxy. Think how much this would make their accents be even more distinctly different.

Protheans studied early forms of humans on Earth. Early humans came from Africa.. SURPRISE! The Prothean speaks in an African tongue.

the bolded makes absolutely no sense and is just wrong and ignorant, early humans came from africa yes, but that was ca 100 000 years ago, and humans did not look like modern africans back then and they did not sound like them or speak the same language as them, in fact humans had a very primitive form of communication back then.

parallel evolution has taken place since then in both africa and the rest of the world, the oldest languages are believed to be about 9000 years old, and majority of languages including those in africa, are much younger than that, and obviously any accent of english is even younger still.

Modifié par Treopod, 23 février 2012 - 11:46 .

[MAG Baxter]

@Treopod
Those voices sound far to predictable for a mystical race that has been extinct for 50,000 year's the accent that was chose was a nice suprise.

[Treopod]

Arcian wrote...

AxisEvolve, when I said "Ignore GodWood", I really meant it.

Seriously, this guy will argue with you until the end of time. Even to the release date of Half-Life Episode 3 if you both somehow manage to survive the end of time.

honestly you sound much more like a person to ignore rather than GodWood, at least GodWood has good arguments and is objective, it seems you are to focused on ignoring some people based on your baseless assumption that they are "racists" or "haters".
In the process you forget to even adress the specific arguments raised by the people you are discussing with, that is simply anti-intellectual behavior.

[Treopod]

MAG Baxter wrote...

@Treopod
Those voices sound far to predictable for a mystical race that has been extinct for 50,000 year's the accent that was chose was a nice suprise.

who cares if a voice is predictable as long as it sounds awesome and fitting? and there are no protoss like voices in mass effect so it wouldnt be unoriginal at least, and i disagree, the accent they chose was a bad surprise, if there where several protheans in the game and one of them had an african accent i wouldnt mind, but when you only get one it should sound as alien and epic as possible.

[Treopod]

MAG Baxter wrote...

Awesome ! it would have annoyed me if it was a Western accent, more diversity in Videogames is always welcome in my book. Civilisation was born in Africa and the Mid East, an African Accent makes perfect sense to fit it into the Prothean culture.

no, civilization was born first  in the middle-east, not africa.

Modifié par Treopod, 24 février 2012 - 12:20 .

[Chaoz14]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Humans have thousands of accents. But Protheans can only have one? Thats pretty unimaginative.

Protheans are also spread across the Galaxy. Think how much this would make their accents be even more distinctly different.

Protheans studied early forms of humans on Earth. Early humans came from Africa.. SURPRISE! The Prothean speaks in an African tongue.

I like this point in particular. It seems like Bioware did a nice throwback to the cradle of humanity(Africa) giving the Prothean squaddie an African accent. Protheans aside from the Reapers and possibly Keepers have been around long before any of the Present-day species.

[Koremark]

The Prothean sounds like Thunder form the 1996 Fable.

[lietk12]

Treopod wrote...
parallel evolution

That phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Treopod wrote...
there are no protoss like voices in mass effect so it wouldnt be unoriginal at least

The yahg from LotSB sounds quite similar (though the audio treatment isn't really there outside the lower frequencies, unlike with the Protoss) and is also kind of badass to boot (up until the part where he gets defeated, but still).

Treopod wrote...
when you only get one it should sound as alien and epic as possible.

I think this African voice sounds just as epic as an accent of any other ethnicity could. But they could definitely have treated the audio more epically.

Modifié par lietk12, 24 février 2012 - 01:02 .

[NM_Che56]

I wish he were Irish. He'd come out of stasis and say

WHALE OIL BEEF HOOKED!!!

[Treopod]

lietk12 wrote...

Treopod wrote...
parallel evolution

That phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Treopod wrote...
there are no protoss like voices in mass effect so it wouldnt be unoriginal at least

The yahg from LotSB sounds quite similar (though the audio treatment isn't really there outside the lower frequencies, unlike with the Protoss) and is also kind of badass to boot (up until the part where he gets defeated, but still).

Treopod wrote...
when you only get one it should sound as alien and epic as possible.

I think this African voice sounds just as epic as an accent of any other ethnicity could. But they could definitely have treated the audio more epically.

Parallel evolution means exactly what it sounds like, it means that when species/races/ethnicities etc branch off of each other, both parts continue to evolve from there, so its wrong to say that one part is ancestral to the other, ie modern africans are not ancestral to the rest of humanity.

compare it to chimpanzes, its known that we share about 99% dna with them, but that definitely does not mean that humans evolved from chimpanze, it means we branched of from each other, and both have evolved separately all the way to the present, so each phenotype is modern.

same with africans and the rest of humanity.

btw youre right about the yagh, it does sound like something in the direction of protoss voices, and it sounds really cool. i forgot about that, but i still think a voice in that direction would be fitting for a prothean.

and american english is basically the standard in western media and movies, so while its also an accent, it doesnt act like one, rather it acts like the base which other accents of english is compared to, basically its the neutral accent.
so when you look at it like that it works best for an alien in combination with a filter to make it sounds as alien as possible.

[lietk12]

Treopod wrote...
Parallel evolution means exactly what it sounds like, it means that when species/races/ethnicities etc branch off of each other, both parts continue to evolve from there, so its wrong to say that one part is ancestral to the other, ie modern africans are not ancestral to the rest of humanity.

Nope. Parallel evolution, even in broad (non-pseudoscientific) usages, specifically focuses on interspecies changes, not intraspecies changes such as of "races/ethnicities etc". Obviously, African descendants are descendants of our African ancestors, which is not parallel evolution but is still a valid point.

Treopod wrote...
compare it to chimpanzes, its known that we share about 99% dna with them, but that definitely does not mean that humans evolved from chimpanze, it means we branched of from each other, and both have evolved separately all the way to the present, so each phenotype is modern.

same with africans and the rest of humanity.

Chimpanzees would be a good example of speciation followed by divergent adaptation, but not of parallel evolution, since Africans are obviously not of a separate species.

Treopod wrote...
and american english is basically the standard in western media and movies, so while its also an accent, it doesnt act like one, rather it acts like the base which other accents of english is compared to, basically its the neutral accent.
so when you look at it like that it works best for an alien in combination with a filter to make it sounds as alien as possible.

Are you trying to say that American English is the best base for audio-treated alien voices (in an international game made by a Canadian studio, no less), or that audio treatment is good for alien voices? Because the latter is obviously true.

[Treopod]

lietk12 wrote...

Treopod wrote...
Parallel evolution means exactly what it sounds like, it means that when species/races/ethnicities etc branch off of each other, both parts continue to evolve from there, so its wrong to say that one part is ancestral to the other, ie modern africans are not ancestral to the rest of humanity.

Nope. Parallel evolution, even in broad (non-pseudoscientific) usages, specifically focuses on interspecies changes, not intraspecies changes such as of "races/ethnicities etc". Obviously, African descendants are descendants of our African ancestors, which is not parallel evolution but is still a valid point.

Treopod wrote...
compare it to chimpanzes, its known that we share about 99% dna with them, but that definitely does not mean that humans evolved from chimpanze, it means we branched of from each other, and both have evolved separately all the way to the present, so each phenotype is modern.

same with africans and the rest of humanity.

Chimpanzees would be a good example of speciation followed by divergent adaptation, but not of parallel evolution, since Africans are obviously not of a separate species.

Treopod wrote...
and american english is basically the standard in western media and movies, so while its also an accent, it doesnt act like one, rather it acts like the base which other accents of english is compared to, basically its the neutral accent.
so when you look at it like that it works best for an alien in combination with a filter to make it sounds as alien as possible.

Are you trying to say that American English is the best base for audio-treated alien voices (in an international game made by a Canadian studio, no less), or that audio treatment is good for alien voices? Because the latter is obviously true.

nope, now you are just playing a word game like strawman, ethnicities branch of and if they are isolated from each other long enough they will develop into different species. the only difference is how big the difference is but parallel evolution has still occured between human ethnicities, that is fact. 

and yes modern africans and euroasians are descendants of the first humans who lived in africa, but those early humans where not the same as modern africans, modern africans have evolved and changed in appearance since then just like everyone else.

and about the voices, human accents in western media (tv, movies, etc) are compared to the american english which works as its base, i realize that there are different types of american accents but the one that is the least distinct is considered the neutral (english is not my first language so i have some trouble expressing myself here)
and is most common in TV, people dont notice it as an accent when they hear it,  rather they notice an accent when it sounds distinctively different from it.

and the neutral (least distinct) accent works best as a base for aliens if you want them to speak english at all (and not their own language) and at the same time want them to feel alien.

the current accent seriousl makes me think that it is some dude wearing a costume with some sort of voice distortion microphone or something.

[habitat 67]

The Protheans voice is the best thing since sliced bread and I will daydream of it often.

[AxisEvolve]

Treopod wrote...
the bolded makes absolutely no sense and is just wrong and ignorant, early humans came from africa yes, but that was ca 100 000 years ago, and humans did not look like modern africans back then and they did not sound like them or speak the same language as them, in fact humans had a very primitive form of communication back then.

parallel evolution has taken place since then in both africa and the rest of the world, the oldest languages are believed to be about 9000 years old, and majority of languages including those in africa, are much younger than that, and obviously any accent of english is even younger still.

Sigh.

If you'd bothered to read the rest of my posts you'd have a greater understanding of the point I was making.

I'm sorry that you misinterpreted me even after I elaborated several times. Looks like I'm not the only ignorant one.

[bwg888]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Core_Commander wrote...

This voice... the accent makes no sense.

We heard a Prothean speech by proxy of Vigil, and the command console on Ilos in ME1 ("cannot be stopped!"). It sounded nothing like that.

I realize the unfortunate implications and possible cries of racism, but I would be just as dismayed if his accent was, say, French or distinctively British - simply because it has no similarity whatsoever to Prothean speech so far.

Humans have thousands of accents. But Protheans can only have one? Thats pretty unimaginative.

Protheans are also spread across the Galaxy. Think how much this would make their accents be even more distinctly different.

Protheans studied early forms of humans on Earth. Early humans came from Africa.. SURPRISE! The Prothean speaks in an African tongue.

Hmm... ok, ok, I'll admit, I only kinda-sorta skimmed the 4 pages, but why did the debate extend beyond this? This makes perfect sense. Early humans were not only observed but influenced by and experimented on by Protheans, in Africa, so early humans, as well as any who remained in that original area, had their speech influenced. Obviously, as other humans migrated out and across all the world, language exploded with change, but something among the people living in that original cradle remained.

I also find myself agreeing with the multiple accents explanation, though it's also possible that Bioware simply didn't have this African idea at the time, but just wanted to put in the console and Vigil to kinda blow players' minds.

No but for real, please forgive me for just skimming everything else, but I really don't understand what all the arguing was for. Personally, I'm absolutely in love with the voice. It's unique and refreshing, and, to me, it makes perfect sense. When I first heard his voice on youtube, the African thing clicked almost immediately

Modifié par bwg888, 24 février 2012 - 04:57 .

[Han Shot First]

I will say once again that you cant really compare the quarian accents with the prothean, first of all the quarians are masked and very similar to humans in design, while we havent actually seen their faces yet, there is much indication that they look quite similar to humans, so an human accent for them isnt that jarring.

There is nothing said either in the games or the books that ever indicates that the Quarians are very similar in appearance to humans. That is wishful thinking on the part of Talimancers who want her to look like something similar to this fan art. As 'evidence' of the Quarians looking like humans, they like to present a passage from the books with a deliberately vague description of the Quarians. All the passage states is that they have similar bone structure in their faces and 'what passes for the Quarian version of an ear." Having similar bone structure does not necessarily mean they look like humans. The Drell for example, also have very human-like facial bone structure. The skin and eyes however, are very alien in appearance.

If the Quarians are ever revealed they should look like the aliens that they are, unless there is going to be a retcon where the Protheans transported prehistoric humans to Rannoch. (and that would be a HORRIBLE reveal)

[What a Succulent Ass]

there is much indication that they look quite similar to humans, so an human accent for them isnt that jarring

Sorry, but that is a horrid argument.

Also, there is some bad biology up in this thread.

[mineralica]

Tone of voice rather surprised me. I somehow expected something deeper, Vigil-like. Although it's more the problem of combat lines, idle dialogue sounds far better.