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[TekFanX]

Anyone thinks they will have any role in the game?
In ME2 they were limited to Renegade-Shepards cyber-face and the upgrades you could research.

I wonder if they will have a more important role in ME3.
For example in the showdown with Kay Leng.
Or as a dramatic effect with the ME1-LI.

[Taleroth]

They had an interesting bit in Overlord. But I think we'll mostly be limited to upgrades again.

[Arppis]

I doubt "fixing the face" helped much with the cybernetics he has. But I had to try it just in case they might backfire.

[daftPirate]

The cybernetics thing is actually one of the inconsistencies that bothers me. Everything Shepard went through to be rebuilt, plus the upgrades he got over the course of ME2, he needs to be really freakin' tough. Hopefully its shows in ME3, though that spar with Vega made me squirm a little. Shepard should now be head and shoulders above Alliance soldiers, let alone civilians, in terms of strength, pain and damage threshold, and endurance.

[jomonoe]

daftPirate wrote...

The cybernetics thing is actually one of the inconsistencies that bothers me. Everything Shepard went through to be rebuilt, plus the upgrades he got over the course of ME2, he needs to be really freakin' tough. Hopefully its shows in ME3, though that spar with Vega made me squirm a little. Shepard should now be head and shoulders above Alliance soldiers, let alone civilians, in terms of strength, pain and damage threshold, and endurance.

That's true, however, I remember TIM saying specifically that he wanted Shepard back exactly the same as before. This would explain why he didn't put a bomb in Sheps head so to work as a failsafe against Shepard's leaving of Cerberus.

[Taleroth]

They wanted his personality. He's not physically the same. Several of the upgrades you could research replaced his bone and implanted armor underneath his skin.

[daftPirate]

Taleroth wrote...

They wanted his personality. He's not physically the same. Several of the upgrades you could research replaced his bone and implanted armor underneath his skin.

Not to mention whatever bone/skin/who-knows-what had to be replaced when they recovered his pulpy mass...I mean body.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Cybernetics have an intereting role in ME3.

[TekFanX]

OK, they wanted Shepard back the way he/she was, so the cybernetics to start with may only do what the missing biological parts could do.
They could still have an impact by means of interfacing with machines, like in overlord.

But the upgrades alone:
Heavy Skin-Weave: Inbuilt fibers that absorb damage+medigel-conduits.
Heavy Muscle-Weave: Fibers that make the muscles tougher and stronger+ medigel-conduits.
Heavy Bone-Weave: Nearly unbreakable bones+medigel-conduits.

[RVallant]

^Yeah, like a spinal joint and repairs to bone/muscle that couldn't be found/replicated/regrown.

[GracefulChicken]

I think we saw proof of how tough Shep is in the LotSB dlc. Shep went toe-to-toe with the shadow broker, and we saw how big he was. Headbutting Krogan armor on Grunts loyalty mission. I hope it plays more of a role (not super-humanish, but noticeably stronger than most humans), but I think it's popped up a few times, even if it is subtle.

[xtorma]

skin weaves are cybernetic. they advance as shepard discovers them. cybernetics do not make shepard, they only enhance him/her.

[TekFanX]

xtorma wrote...

skin weaves are cybernetic. they advance as shepard discovers them. cybernetics do not make shepard, they only enhance him/her.

Shepard clearly shouldn't start to run around like the six-million-dollar man.
The center should of course be on Shepard as a human.

As his/her weapons are shown in the cutscenes, it wouldn't hurt to see how Shepard comes up and does something another human couldn't, because he/she was cybernetically enhanced.
Like lifting a part of debris alone, which two alliance-soldiers couldn't, to free their commanding officer. Not as extreme as the tank-bred krogan you talk to in the ME2 recruitment-mission for Grunt, but heavy.
Or jumping down two or three levels of a building, without being much impressed.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Shepard already does that several times in ME2 - the debris especially. Hell, s/he even does it in-game with the ability to use weapons that would shatter any normal human's arms into a thousand variegated shards of suffering.

[Oblivious]

daftPirate wrote...

The cybernetics thing is actually one of the inconsistencies that bothers me. Everything Shepard went through to be rebuilt, plus the upgrades he got over the course of ME2, he needs to be really freakin' tough. Hopefully its shows in ME3, though that spar with Vega made me squirm a little. Shepard should now be head and shoulders above Alliance soldiers, let alone civilians, in terms of strength, pain and damage threshold, and endurance.

Sparring is just sparring. A fun method of stress relief. When I spar I don't try to break my friends jaw just to prove how awesome I am, nor do I squirm and whimper when I get hit. It's like arm wrestling, it's for fun not to kill somebody.

Honestly, what is with people and Shepard sparring with a squadmate? If Shepard got his ass kicked, or was on the recieving end of a ground impound then I'd understand. But it seems like the more human Bioware try to make Shepard seem the more people **** that their Shepard is a demigod.

Anyways, I hope that the cybernetics play a part. From what I saw of Kai Leng it looks like he has his own cybernetic upgrades. Since he's meant to be Shepard's foil it'd make sense to give both him and Shepard the same upgrades.

[TekFanX]

I agree on the above: Enhanced strength doesn't mean Shepard needs to bash Vega into a pulpy mass.
And it's not like a bleeding nose is a deadly injury.

But when Shepard lifts debris in ME2, there is never a measure how heavy that part is.
In a future of lightweight-materials a reinforced armor-plate the size of a car can weigh as much as a locker. You may won't be able to lift a locker if you lay below it, but someone above you can lift it off you.
I'd just like to see something where you don't have to guess if Shepard does something with his/her cybernetics or as a trained soldier.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Like...beat the hell out of a yahg?

[Lost Cipher]

Anyone else concerned that the cybernetics is making Shepard more like Saren?

[Aurora313]

I think that symbolically Shepard is meant to be the 'Good' version of Saren.

[Oblivious]

Aurora313 wrote...

I think that symbolically Shepard is meant to be the 'Good' version of Saren.

Or, if you're Renegade, that Shepard is slowly becoming the very enemy he once fought against. In ME1 Shepard had the options to commit genocide on the Rachni, in ME2 s/he commits genocide against the Collectors, *spoilers*and if you read the List of War Assets thread Shepard literally has the option to commit genocide on the Geth/Quarian*spoilers*

[Orange Face_]

Seeing as the voice actor reveal had footage of Vega beating the poo out of good ole' Shep I think Bioware forgot he was the Bionic Man

[Taleroth]

It's possible Vega is a cyborg, too. They may not be totally uncommon.

[littlezack]

TekFanX wrote...

I agree on the above: Enhanced strength doesn't mean Shepard needs to bash Vega into a pulpy mass.
 

On top of that, it's likely Vega has his fair share of upgrades, too.

[daftPirate]

Oblivious wrote...

daftPirate wrote...

The cybernetics thing is actually one of the inconsistencies that bothers me. Everything Shepard went through to be rebuilt, plus the upgrades he got over the course of ME2, he needs to be really freakin' tough. Hopefully its shows in ME3, though that spar with Vega made me squirm a little. Shepard should now be head and shoulders above Alliance soldiers, let alone civilians, in terms of strength, pain and damage threshold, and endurance.

Sparring is just sparring. A fun method of stress relief. When I spar I don't try to break my friends jaw just to prove how awesome I am, nor do I squirm and whimper when I get hit. It's like arm wrestling, it's for fun not to kill somebody.

Honestly, what is with people and Shepard sparring with a squadmate? If Shepard got his ass kicked, or was on the recieving end of a ground impound then I'd understand. But it seems like the more human Bioware try to make Shepard seem the more people **** that their Shepard is a demigod.

Anyways, I hope that the cybernetics play a part. From what I saw of Kai Leng it looks like he has his own cybernetic upgrades. Since he's meant to be Shepard's foil it'd make sense to give both him and Shepard the same upgrades.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with the sparring, but the brief footage we saw made it look kinda like he was getting worked. Now it wasn't that long, there's more to it I'm sure, but those cybernetics seem like they should've been having a bigger influence. I don't think Shep should walk all over Vega, but I feel like Shep must've really been letting Vega whale on him to have that look on his face.

As for Vega being cybernetically enhanced, too...could be. He's big enough, but I'm inclined to think he doesn't have more upgrades than the Alliance's standard soldier enhancements.