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[O66 Jenova]

yep thats the point... due to no barriers you will need to take cover for a long time instead of using your powers even more often and due to that you are using your weapons even more then before

[D.Kain]

strive wrote...

Yes but that isn't a very good idea. It will encourage you to just sit behind a L-shaped cover use two biotic abilities in rapid succession wait 5s for your barrier to come back and repeat. It will create a one size fits all defensive minded approach where ironically you will be using your gun far more than your biotics.

Unless you're wanting biotics to do damage similar to Nova but be at a 30m range which will just make things far to easy.

Oh please. Even Infiltrators don't do that. 

1) grenade
2) flank
3) go take the object
4) go help the team

There's like a bunch.

I want biotics to do damage similar to nova, on all distances. Nova should be stronger though, since range is smaller, shockwave stronger than long range too. 

Also fitness would actually make biotics better at using powers, which makes perfect sense. 

[D.Kain]

SpaceAdmiral wrote...

The fundamental problem is that he wants a CC class to be godly at both CC and dps. While we're at it we should allow all shots by soldiers under the influence of marksman/fortification/adrenaline rush to instantly knock the enemy down on the ground, regardless of protection. This change is needed because a revenant soldier just lacks the cc needed to mow down entire waves of enemy soldiers. With this change I can feel like a total bad**** like the heavy weapons people in those action games giving godly suppresive fire. Of course every 20 seconds or so he will have to reload as compensation.

Go ahead. I think my buff is reasonable, but I am interested in playing biotic classes. You think some other class needs a buff? Why not, I'm all for it. I still think Biotics would be balanced. You think other classes would still be balanced? Go ahead,

[D.Kain]

O66 Jenova wrote...

yep thats the point... due to no barriers you will need to take cover for a long time instead of using your powers even more often and due to that you are using your weapons even more then before

It's not that I don't want to use my weapons. Sure let's use weapons most of the time, but make biotics effective! Make them shine when they are actually used. And you can keep your barrier at half and use one power once in a while. 

[goofyomnivore]

Oh please. Even Infiltrators don't do that.

Yes they do. I'd say 85% of the time a Widow Infiltrator can stay in the same spot, and get over 100k points just leaving for objectives. They do it because with Energy Drain+Widow it will kill almost anything every 3-5s. You're suggesting the same play style. The difference is the Infiltrator can take his Energy Drain and Cloak and move freely. The Adept not so much, so the Adept is going to be even more inclined to set up camp.

I want biotics to do damage similar to nova, on all distances

That is your problem. They shouldn't because there is no risk.  The CQC risk part of it is taken out of the equation.

Modifié par strive, 24 février 2012 - 12:18 .

[O66 Jenova]

im really sorry, but are you retarded? fist you tell us you want biotics to be stronger so you dont have to use your weapons that much, now you tell us it doesnt really matter.
fckn use your damn brain! use biotic detonations! they ARE VERY powerful and strong... no other class can do such an huge amount of damage to multiple targets at once

edit: i'll quit this discussion... i feel like talking against a wall that was just build 6 years ago

Modifié par O66 Jenova, 24 février 2012 - 12:20 .

[D.Kain]

strive wrote...

Oh please. Even Infiltrators don't do that.

Yes they do. I'd say 85% of the time a Widow Infiltrator can stay in the same spot, and get over 100k points just leaving for objectives. They do it because with Energy Drain+Widow it will kill almost anything every 3-5s. You're suggesting the same play style. The difference is the Infiltrator can take his Energy Drain and Cloak and move freely. The Adept not so much, so the Adept is going to be even more inclined to set up camp.

But as I said you can keep half barrier on reserve, and use one power from time to time. Or use a mega power or a combo when it is situational. You can also play with barrier scalling. Like for examplke make adepts have even less health and a lot of barrier. That way of they don't use their powers, they are no squishy, and can defend themselves with biotic barrier, but if they go on offense they lose a portion or all that barrier. Make barrier penalties with weight carried, so Adepts don't go tanking with heavy weapons. So many ways.

[D.Kain]

O66 Jenova wrote...

im really sorry, but are you retarded? fist you tell us you want biotics to be stronger so you dont have to use your weapons that much, now you tell us it doesnt really matter.
fckn use your damn brain! use biotic detonations! they ARE VERY powerful and strong... no other class can do such an huge amount of damage to multiple targets at once

That is not what I said. What I said was: 1) I want to kill with biotics. 2) I want biotics to be more effective than weapons. They can be used in longer periods of time though, that is reasonable, they don't need to be spamed once a sec.
I do use my brain and I use detonations. Doesn't change anything I said.

[goofyomnivore]

But as I said you can keep half barrier on reserve, and use one power from time to time. Or use a mega power or a combo when it is situational.

The dps of biotics goes way down, and you end up using your weapons more often and efficiently with your suggestion. Or you just be a crappy Widow Infiltrator with half the utility.

Like for examplke make adepts have even less health and a lot of barrier.

It would be more beneficial to stack health. Since 50% of your barrier for warp is 50% no matter if you have 500 or 1000. Your dps or survivability isn't going to increase very much stacking barrier. However getting a crap ton of Health and 100 barrier would be interesting.

Modifié par strive, 24 février 2012 - 12:27 .

[D.Kain]

strive wrote...

But as I said you can keep half barrier on reserve, and use one power from time to time. Or use a mega power or a combo when it is situational.

The dps of biotics goes way down, and you end up using your weapons more often and efficiently with your suggestion. Or you just be a crappy Widow Infiltrator with half the utility.

With the proper reflexes and risk taking it will be very rewarding DPS. 

[goofyomnivore]

With the proper reflexes and risk taking it will be very rewarding DPS.

Not really. All you gotta do is sit behind a L-shaped cover to maximize your dps.

Modifié par strive, 24 février 2012 - 12:29 .

[D.Kain]

strive wrote...
It would be more beneficial to stack health. Since 50% of your barrier for warp is 50% no matter if you have 500 or 1000. Your dps or survivability isn't going to increase very much stacking barrier. However getting a crap ton of Health and 100 barrier would be interesting.

Well you will have to decide - take more damage or use a powerful power. You could scale biotic damage with barrier though, like nova does.

[D.Kain]

strive wrote...

With the proper reflexes and risk taking it will be very rewarding DPS.

Not really. All you gotta do is sit behind a L-shaped cover to maximize your dps.

Everyone sits behind cover most of the game. Not in one place though, the game doesn't allow that, but it is a cover shooter.

[O66 Jenova]

im asari adept and rarely take cover

Modifié par O66 Jenova, 24 février 2012 - 12:34 .

[D.Kain]

O66 Jenova wrote...

im asari adept and rarely take any cover

No you do. You just move around, you still sit at every point you get to, and stand behind a wall. I don't think you just walk around in the middle of the battle field do you?

[goofyomnivore]

Everyone sits behind cover most of the game. Not in one place though, the game doesn't allow that, but it is a cover shooter.

You can be quite mobile and aggressive with the other classes without losing effectiveness. The Adept you want would be squishier than a Drell Vanguard up close and with less reward.

It would essentially be a sniping class with powers instead of guns. A very limited one at that, or a very overpowered one if you could create Nova like 1000 damage warp bomb with a 7m radius instantly every 3-5s from quite a distance away.

At least with Stasis you expose yourself a few seconds to shoot.

Modifié par strive, 24 février 2012 - 12:38 .

[O66 Jenova]

im always moving around and helping on every edge i can to support my team - if this means i have to run though the middle i do so as well. stasis clears my way

[D.Kain]

strive wrote...

Everyone sits behind cover most of the game. Not in one place though, the game doesn't allow that, but it is a cover shooter.

You can be quite mobile and aggressive with the other classes without losing effectiveness. The Adept you want would be squishier than a Drell Vanguard up close and with less reward.

It would essentially be a sniping class with powers instead of guns. A very limited one at that, or a very overpowered one if you could create Nova like 1000 damage warp bomb with a 7m radius instantly every 3-5s from quite a distance away.

Make powers lose strength scalling to distance. Also makes sense with biotic lore. That way the closer you are to the target the better you hit.

[D.Kain]

O66 Jenova wrote...

im always moving around and helping on every edge i can to support my team - if this means i have to run though the middle i do so as well. stasis clears my way

Aaand you can do the same with any class, this one included.

[Lycidas]

So basically you want to sit behind some cover -> throw some blue ball of instant death at a (group) of enemies for the cost of half your barriers -> go back into cover and wait for your barriers to refresh -> repeat?
That's it?
You sir are either a troll or your idea of fun makes my mind implode...honestly.

[D.Kain]

It just really can be done. All points can be made for balanced gameplay and a fun class. But this is all just for fun of course.

[D.Kain]

Lycidas wrote...

So basically you want to sit behind some cover -> throw some blue ball of instant death at a (group) of enemies for the cost of half your barriers -> go back into cover and wait for your barriers to refresh -> repeat?
That's it?
You sir are either a troll or your idea of fun makes my mind implode...honestly.

No, that is not what I want to do. That would make for most ineffective kill rate. I want to run around, shoot enemies throwing the most dangerous ones to death at the cost of half barrier. Then at the sight of a good situation toss a group of enemies, wait till I can get back into the fight, if I don't die, and be on my way further. 

[O66 Jenova]

gosh... bye... you know what? it's useless to talk to you because you change your mind like every 5 minutes and keep staying at your senseless point that adepts are too weak with their biotics dps. even if 1000 ppl would tell you that adepts are rather OP, you won't change your stupid mind

[D.Kain]

O66 Jenova wrote...

gosh... bye... you know what? it's useless to talk to you because you change your mind like every 5 minutes and keep staying at your senseless point that adepts are too weak with their biotics dps. even if 1000 ppl would tell you that adepts are rather OP, you won't change your stupid mind

Adept is OP = yes. 

Adept has huge biotic DPS = no. 

I am just speaking my mind. Nothing is going to change either way.

[goofyomnivore]

Singularity and Shockwave need a buff. That is my only beef with biotics. Like instead of detonations taking the Singularity away it refreshed it or something. Shockwave I dunno maybe give it a disarm feature or a damage/bitotic detonation debuff on the target?

Modifié par strive, 24 février 2012 - 12:50 .