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[D.Kain]

O66 Jenova wrote...

just wait for the full game god damn it... geth.. mechanical enemys... singularity... its not feeling retardet nor bad... its all fine, its even better than it was in all other ME's!

The best one was ME1, when it comes to biotics. Geth and mechanical enemies, will be dealt with just like the atlas Warp/throw. And of course I won't even be able to toss them. 

[goofyomnivore]

The less heavy armor thing is more of a gameplay mechanic. I don't think it says anything the codex about them having to wear lighter armor. And if it did ME2 and 3 retconned that. It does say biotics do drain stamina if they use them frequently in short succession, but to counter that they typically eat more calories and stay in better shape than typical soldiers.

[SpaceAdmiral]

D.Kain wrote...

It's not about how it is hard, it is about the feeling. I modded ME2 for my biotics to bypass shields and armor. They were godlike, they were unstopable, but did I feel good? No I didn't. Why? Because I still killed things with my weapons! Biotics just gave me a limitless stagger on enemies. I had to toss around one enemy 10 times to kill them, when I could just shoot them a lot faster instead. I just want to KILL with biotics, not make enemies helpless.

The whole point of biotics is to make the enemies helpless so that others can kill them. It's called crowd control...

[O66 Jenova]

stamina is not the same as health... asari are pretty thin and weak looking

[D.Kain]

O66 Jenova wrote...

stamina is not the same as health... asari are pretty thin and weak looking

No it isn't , but heavier armor with strong shields will exaust ones stamina. Imagine that using biotics is like doing pullups, then imagine you doing pullups in armor, you'd want the lightest one.

[D.Kain]

SpaceAdmiral wrote...

The whole point of biotics is to make the enemies helpless so that others can kill them. It's called crowd control...

And this is my problem. Because from the start of the series in ME1 I came to like powers that actually killed my targets, and did so faster than guns.

[O66 Jenova]

but they still do !?! i still don't get your point... biotics KILL as fast as hell

[goofyomnivore]

And this is my problem. Because from the start of the series in ME1 I came to like powers that actually killed my targets, and did so faster than guns.

They never did? A Marksman Pistol spamming immunity/barrier still killed faster than anything. Even on the Adept. Lift and Singularity just made them defenseless (CC). That style has never existed in Mass Effect. The closest thing you're going to get to that is a Mass Effect 2 Sentinel who brought Samara and Jack to every mission.

Modifié par strive, 24 février 2012 - 08:43 .

[D.Kain]

O66 Jenova wrote...

but they still do !?! i still don't get your point... biotics KILL as fast as hell

No they don't! 

If I could use 2 powers in a row then they would. like if I could use Warp/throw like a single power. Otherwise they don't, otherwise my pistol does it quicker, and I don't have TIME on gold to make fancy biotic combos, I do it only on Phantoms and Atlas, because THEN it is faster.

[D.Kain]

strive wrote...

And this is my problem. Because from the start of the series in ME1 I came to like powers that actually killed my targets, and did so faster than guns.

They never did? A Marksman Pistol spamming immunity/barrier still killed faster than anything. Even on the Adept. Lift and Singularity just made them defenseless (CC). That style has never existed in Mass Effect. The closest thing you're going to get to that is a Mass Effect 2 Sentinel who brought Samara and Jack to every mission.

I don't know, that's what was happening in my game. Throw insta-kiled everyone except Krogan and geth Prime. 
Lift made people fall from huge hights and crash, and singularity made enemies bump into each other and crates, worked best with grenade of course, also warp killed geth prime and Krogan. I didn't play on insanity, but I remember it was stronger than marksman and I played all other classes.

[O66 Jenova]

you forget about the point that a statis combo stuns sorrounded enemys as well and damages them. pistol kills a single target faster, but combos kill multiple targets at once... and im playing gold as well

[D.Kain]

O66 Jenova wrote...

you forget about the point that a statis combo stuns sorrounded enemys as well and damages them. pistol kills a single target faster, but combos kill multiple targets at once... and im playing gold as well

But I am not pulling things out of my ass right? I have an ID to prove it, and I am N7 115. 
Enemies don't USUALLY go in convienient for explosion packs, if they do, I do set up an explosion. But usually they go one by one.

[D.Kain]

Other than making biotic powers drain barrier, they could be made more powerful individually, and biotic explosions can be removed from the game, because that is not what happens according to lore too.

But nothing is going to change of course this is just a rant thread that is completely pointless, and am just going to go and be sad in that corner over there.Then get over it and play with the retarded system, because it is still somewhat fun.

I am just in awe, of how a system can be messed up, from where it started.

Modifié par D.Kain, 24 février 2012 - 09:04 .

[dryz]

once again i dont get the point, when i play a biotic role i hit guardians with a throw or shockwave to make them stumble followed by a couple quick shots to the head, no more guardian. If an enemie is hiding from biotics or rolling away from them i stop aiming directly at them and aim above their head with the aiming box just barely visable and the biotic arcs up and comes down on their head when they are not paying attention. If im playing soldier and a guardian is coming at me i pull my pistol with a scope, zoom in and shot the slot that they look through which either kills them or staggers them and one more shot does it (this is made difficult by other players launching concussive shots or warp at them endlessly with no effect at all). Basically stop asking for easy-mode and get good.

[O66 Jenova]

D.Kain wrote...

... and biotic explosions can be removed from the game, because that is not what happens according to lore too....

it was always possible do do a singularity + warp biotic explosion

[D.Kain]

dryz wrote...

once again i dont get the point, when i play a biotic role i hit guardians with a throw or shockwave to make them stumble followed by a couple quick shots to the head, no more guardian. If an enemie is hiding from biotics or rolling away from them i stop aiming directly at them and aim above their head with the aiming box just barely visable and the biotic arcs up and comes down on their head when they are not paying attention. If im playing soldier and a guardian is coming at me i pull my pistol with a scope, zoom in and shot the slot that they look through which either kills them or staggers them and one more shot does it (this is made difficult by other players launching concussive shots or warp at them endlessly with no effect at all). Basically stop asking for easy-mode and get good.

I know it can be done lol. I am winning, it's just the feeling.

- Hey why does this guy ignore my bullets?
- You have to stick a purple flower at his foot first!
- What? That's retarded!
- Learn to play with the current system! It is tactical and adds depth to combat! You stick the flower in his foot, and bullets now kill him very fast!
- ok....

[O66 Jenova]

you sir really have a big problem

[thrones6]

We dont know if they need a buff as we do not even know what type of enemies will be in the other maps. I rather wait and see how the other maps turns out. Each race probably has an advantage depending on certain maps.

[D.Kain]

O66 Jenova wrote...

you sir really have a big problem

Nah, I'm just joking and overexaturating, though the root point is the same. 

[O66 Jenova]

the root point is YOU...
its not even the full game and you are already complaining about biotics being underpowered while they're not. in the full game there are various other enemys with other armors/skills/etc - you don't even know how biotics work on them.
this said, it is still a CO-OP game! no need to boost biotics because theyre not ment to destroy every enemy ... adepts are a CC class

[D.Kain]

O66 Jenova wrote...

the root point is YOU...
its not even the full game and you are already complaining about biotics being underpowered while they're not. in the full game there are various other enemys with other armors/skills/etc - you don't even know how biotics work on them.
this said, it is still a CO-OP game! no need to boost biotics because theyre not ment to destroy every enemy ... adepts are a CC class

Aren't there different powers? Stasis is crowd control, and it works on shielded targets, can make other crowd control powers like Singularity and Lift too. Throw/Warp/Shockwave should kill better than weapons, they are not crowd control.

[xrudix]

D.Kain wrote...

O66 Jenova wrote...

the root point is YOU...
its not even the full game and you are already complaining about biotics being underpowered while they're not. in the full game there are various other enemys with other armors/skills/etc - you don't even know how biotics work on them.
this said, it is still a CO-OP game! no need to boost biotics because theyre not ment to destroy every enemy ... adepts are a CC class

 Throw/Warp/Shockwave should kill better than weapons, they are not crowd control.

1. throw is knockback, so it is cc + damage. 
2. warp is debuff and 1sec cc, but it hits harder then throw.
3. shockwave area cc.

If you're looking for pure dps skills take a look at incinerate.

Ps. biotics is all about cc. maybe except charge in me3 and nova

Modifié par xrudix, 24 février 2012 - 09:59 .

[D.Kain]

xrudix wrote...

1. throw is knockback, so it is cc + damage. 
2. warp is debuff and 1sec cc, but it hits harder then throw.
3. shockwave area cc.

If you're looking for pure dps skills take a look at incinerate.

I know, but can I be a biotic AND dps? The only DPS biotic power in the game is Nova, and it works exactly like I propose all biotic powers to work - drains barrier. 

Edit: Charge is cc.

Modifié par D.Kain, 24 février 2012 - 10:00 .

[xrudix]

D.Kain wrote...

xrudix wrote...

1. throw is knockback, so it is cc + damage. 
2. warp is debuff and 1sec cc, but it hits harder then throw.
3. shockwave area cc.

If you're looking for pure dps skills take a look at incinerate.

I know, but can I be a biotic AND dps? The only DPS biotic power in the game is Nova, and it works exactly like I propose all biotic powers to work - drains barrier. 

Sure take widow as asari adept. Yesterday beat gold with one. I ended with 100k+ points, he with 91k. 

[D.Kain]

xrudix wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

xrudix wrote...

1. throw is knockback, so it is cc + damage. 
2. warp is debuff and 1sec cc, but it hits harder then throw.
3. shockwave area cc.

If you're looking for pure dps skills take a look at incinerate.

I know, but can I be a biotic AND dps? The only DPS biotic power in the game is Nova, and it works exactly like I propose all biotic powers to work - drains barrier. 

Sure take widow as asari adept. Yesterday beat gold with one. I ended with 100k+ points, he with 91k. 

No, I mean BIOTIC dps. I get  my 100+k with my carnifex. But what about killing with biotics? It's so funny, biotic kills are so rare, that they even give achievments for ten+.