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[Davidicus]

Gatlocke wrote...


We'll defeat it with Humanity's most deadliest weapon

Ah, good, thought it was gonna be that other crap.

[Reapinger]

I'd say our best bet would honestly be to use H bombs instead of nukes. The best chance would be to move it on the ground or hidden somehow, as long as it's not shot as a projectile, move inside the kinetic barrier radius, and detonate. Suicide team and sacrifice a few million to save a dozen billion.

[General User]

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...
Nukes aren't any different from other explosives in that they need to be surrounded by something and their targets need to be surrounded by the same something in order for the explosive to make a pressure wave that damages the target... In space, a nuke basically only has itself (ie: the material of the bomb itself), so most of its explosive energy will just blow into the void of space and very little will actually go into the Reaper.

Isn't this a discussion about fighting Reapers on Earth?

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...
Not only that, if you look at the stuff the good guys use in ME, then you'll know that everybody already uses stuff that hits harder then nukes... and the Reapers shrug it off anyway.

Apples and oranges, or rather literally, bullets and bombs.  Those are two entirely different methods of delivering damage to a target.  Relating the impact force of a projectile with the explosive force of a bomb isn't really logical. 

[TexasToast712]

Locutus_of_BORG wrote...

shepard1038 wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

By lore, kinetic barriers only block incoming projectiles of great speeds. Therefore, to destroy the reaper all it would require is that someone get close enough to plant a Nuclear bomb of sufficent strength.

Like a nuclear mine.

Nukes aren't any different from other explosives in that they need to be surrounded by something and their targets need to be surrounded by the same something in order for the explosive to make a pressure wave that damages the target... In space, a nuke basically only has itself (ie: the material of the bomb itself), so most of its explosive energy will just blow into the void of space and very little will actually go into the Reaper. Not only that, if you look at the stuff the good guys use in ME, then you'll know that everybody already uses stuff that hits harder then nukes... and the Reapers shrug it off anyway.

The Reaper would have to be on the ground for the plan to work. Did you miss that part in my post?

Modifié par TexasToast712, 24 février 2012 - 06:56 .

[TheBlackBaron]

A dreadnought's main gun hits with a force of 38kT, if the Gunnery Chief on the Citadel is to be believed. The most "basic" nuclear weapon we have is the B61 bomb, which is variable yield but can be dialed all the way up to 340kT.

The reason the Alliance uses railguns on their ships is because it's a lot cheaper to shoot tungsten slugs at people than it is to produce nuclear warheads and missiles to stick them on, then design a way to fit and fire those onto a ship. Not to mention faster, since a dreadnought can apparently fire one of those slugs every second. That does not mean nukes are ineffective weapons, and if you shoot enough of them at a Reaper it's going down hard.

The trick, obviously, is getting it there in the first place. It's really got to be within 1km of the Reaper to be effective, and in space, 1km is a very short distance. If it lands on the Earth that becomes considerably easier.

[Gamer391]

General User wrote...

Gamer391 wrote...

The nuke idea is a brute force & blind attack. And which would already be calculated by the attacking Reaper. So although that would be the most powerful option, it wouldn't be the wisest. I would suggest:

Step-I: Detonate an EMP in the upper atmosphere of Earth, which could reduce the Reaper down to a scrap of metal, if only for a second.

Step-II: An infiltration by a shepherd and some scape-goats into its super-structure during this window.

Step-III: Destroy/Overload the Eezo core somehow using equipment not affected by the EMP, which would bring it down completely.

And ta da!!!! Your Reaper IS DOWN. Now do all the research you want to on it, while the dead God's dreams indoctrinate you and eventually take over Earth by converting everyone into husks.

If modern military electronics are protected against an EMP, why would you think Reapers would be vulnerable to such an attack?

Well I was kind of counting on the fact that the Reapers had no equivalent of a faraday cage..!!
This wasn't a serious answer to the actual question asked, as you might have guessed. You want a serious answer?

How to bring down a Reaper (human casualties permitted): Gather all the nuclear bombs, launch them towards the Moon on a calculated path, so that they would explode and cause it to break orbit and fall right on top of the Reaper (although this would essentially be suicide for humans, at least we would go down in glory!)

How to bring down a Reaper (human casualties NOT permitted): I'll have to think about it...

However, the Humans losing the battle is inevitable. Its just a matter of time. Either the exploding Eezo core would cause some after-effects like nuclear fallout, earthquakes,etc OR the dead Reaper would continue indoctrinating the humans till eventually every single one turns into a husk.

[chaosomegas]

TeffexPope wrote...

I think you'd have to use about 3400 nukes on it to kill it. Don't the dreadnaught main cannons hit with more force than nukes? And those are useless against reapers unless there's a whole fleet of them.

if it doesn't destroy reaper it will wipe out the world so we win if we goind to die it be by our hand:ph34r:

[Ismelda]

Humans: the race with only one weapon for all situations.

[111987]

RVallant wrote...


So really, if everyone is saying we can take down a reaper in 2012 but not in 2185+ then we're all in agreement the third game is just pointless? There's no mcguffin or deus ex machina right? Shepard just finds the American, Russian, British and Chinese nukes, missiles and various other crap buried in underground military museums across the world and uses those to wipe them out.

Clearly. People are over-estimating the strength of 2012 weaponary and underestimating the strength of a reaper imo.

No, not really. With multiple Reapers, the situation becomes a lot harder. With thousands of Reapers across the planets, the nuking strategy no longer works because you'd kill off the entire planet first, and the Reapers would eventually catch on and just retreat to space.

[QuarkZ26]

It seems there is a lot of badasses in this thread who would destroy a Reaper easilly while driving their trucks.

Redneck much?

[Lightweight Nate]

One Reaper? Are we talking Dreadnaught size, or smaller? Then again, never mind. There's no way we could ever get through its kinetic barriers...

[PHub88]

With every countries military joined together we could win I have no doubts. It would take substantial loses to make it happen but it could happen. Everyone throwing everything they got at it while disregarding civilians bellow since we wouldn't exactly have a choice. Nonstop attacks from everybody would eat its shields down at least slowly...missile strikes from every direction...nukes...If you kept up the attack at a heavy pace EVENTUALLY you would take it down.

[Thargorichiban]

If a dreadnaught class Reaper came to modern-day earth?

We'd die.

Next question!

[bennyjammin79]

Hmmmm... It is inevitable :

[Eradyn]

I find it funny people think we could take on and defeat a rl reaper with our current technology.

[111987]

Eradyn wrote...

I find it funny people think we could take on and defeat a rl reaper with our current technology.

I find it funny that people can't read any of the previous post's so that they don't make useless posts like this.

[chaosomegas]

we can but at what cost
Kinetic barriers, colloquially called "shields", provide protection against most Mass Accelerator weapons. Whether on a star ship or a soldier's suit of armor, the basic principle remains the same.
Kinetic barriers are repulsive Mass effect fields
projected from tiny emitters. These shields safely deflect small
objects traveling at rapid velocities. This affords protection from
bullets and other dangerous projectiles, but still allows the user to
sit down without knocking away their chair.
The shielding afforded by kinetic barriers does not protect against extremes of temperature, toxins, or radiation.

Each slug of dreadnought main gun has the kinetic energy of 38  kilotons of TNT
The total global nuclear arsenal is about 30,000 nuclear warheads with a
destructive capacity of 5,000 megatons or 5 gigatons (5,000 million
tons) of TNT if that can't destroy a reaper than we can't win mass effect 3:ph34r:

[laststarfighter]

I died

[Thargorichiban]

chaosomegas wrote...

we can but at what cost
Kinetic barriers, colloquially called "shields", provide protection against most Mass Accelerator weapons. Whether on a star ship or a soldier's suit of armor, the basic principle remains the same.
Kinetic barriers are repulsive Mass effect fields
projected from tiny emitters. These shields safely deflect small
objects traveling at rapid velocities. This affords protection from
bullets and other dangerous projectiles, but still allows the user to
sit down without knocking away their chair.
The shielding afforded by kinetic barriers does not protect against extremes of temperature, toxins, or radiation.

Each slug of dreadnought main gun has the kinetic energy of 38  kilotons of TNT
The total global nuclear arsenal is about 30,000 nuclear warheads with a
destructive capacity of 5,000 megatons or 5 gigatons (5,000 million
tons) of TNT if that can't destroy a reaper than we can't win mass effect 3:ph34r:

One, we would need to be able to simultaneously blow up all of our nukes at once at a single target (we can't).

Two, we would need the Reaper to stay on Earth itself (why would it when it could simply destroy all military installations and population centers from orbit?)

[fesaefwe]

Carnage752 wrote...

 One Reaper Dreadnought, regular size, touches down on Earth. It incinerates cities within it's range, corrupts the minds and huskifies civilians. We are dealing with a cyber-zombie apocalypse originating from an invincible Dreadnought. This Dreadnought can be destroyed by overloading it's core, but that would require fighting through it, and that's suicidal.
How would you survive?

I would personally gather survivors and arm them with my impressive array of firearms. We would avoid the Reaper and fight off the husk hordes and try to survive. If possible, with proper support from what's left of the world's military, I'd organize a suicidal assault on the Reaper. While it blasts choppers out of the air, survivors will hopefully touchdown on the Reaper. We would fight our way through the husk infested ship quickly to avoid indoctination. Survivors would destroy the core, hopefully overloading the ship.

If I were to survive the initial attack, I'd find whoever knew how to use a gun, and I would find a way to destroy the bastard any way possible. I wouldn't care if I died in the process, because this is our damned planet and anyone who wants to take it for themselves need to feel the heat. Like I said, if it costs me my life, then thats what it'll take to save our home. Remember, many people have sacrificed themselves for the greater good before, Jesus Christ sacrificed himself for our sins, helicopter pilots died putting out Chernobyl and countless others whose stories are nameless have followed the path of the messianic archetype before, and in sacrificing myself, I would in a sense be ascending to the next form of existence, immortality. I might die so that our children will know of our success. But I can tell you one thing for sure, I wouldn't just give up and let the bastard take away our planet.

Modifié par fesaefwe, 25 juin 2012 - 02:59 .

[jtrook]

Chewin3 wrote...

annihilator27 wrote...
F*** It, Im launching a suicide mission to plant a nuke in it.Whose in?

Can we stop by and do my loyalty mission on the way?

Yeah, I got some daddy issues soo we are going to have to make a stop for me too. 

[dirty console peasant]

bwg888 wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

annihilator27 wrote...

If its just one, Nuke it.

It would shoot it out of the air. Hell, it's barriers would probably brush it off.

I was just gonna mention this, people underestimate the power of nuclear weapons, even compared to fancy-pants future weapons. It's just that they're so unwieldy. But one reaper wouldn't stand a chance against the stockpile of even one major nation

TeffexPope wrote...

I think you'd have to use about 3400
nukes on it to kill it. Don't the dreadnaught main cannons hit with more
force than nukes? And those are useless against reapers unless there's a
whole fleet of them.

The derelict reaper was killed by a dreadnought weapon, but those require insane distance to use, like, across interplanetary distances. There were no dreadnoughts used against sovereign, if that's what you're remembering. Nukes are powerful

depends on whether or not you are going by the cinematics.  According to the cinematics there were several dreadnaughts in the final battle of ME1

[Karolus_V]

Lightweight Nate wrote...

One Reaper? Are we talking Dreadnaught size, or smaller? Then again, never mind. There's no way we could ever get through its kinetic barriers...

The thing is, kinetic barriers only stops the impact force of projectiles. Not temperature , for example. Thannix weaponry is so powerful against kinetic barriers, because bypasses them delivering high temperature plasma like charge. Remember why all the civilizations in the galaxy use mass effect technology,and who make it that way. 

So, in the end, nuclear weapons would be capable of damaging Reapers, even sovereign class ones, by the simple fact that the kinetic barriers dont protect against high degree temperature,and nukes deliver plenty of that. And if one missile impacts in the kinetic barrier, the hull of the reaper isnt too far away, so damage is sure.

[Elysar]

Somewhere it was stated that nuke or two can kill a reaper, that's why reapers firstly took out all the siloses on conquered planets.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

No joke answers. *Leaves*