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[Quinnzel]

Justicar wrote...

I like how Reapers lol@ Dreadnought fire which is 30 times stronger than the Hiroshima nuke but people are suggesting to nuke the Reaper.

We all die. Eventually.

The trick is being the last one to die.

[bwg888]

Justicar wrote...

I like how Reapers lol@ Dreadnought fire which is 30 times stronger than the Hiroshima nuke but people are suggesting to nuke the Reaper.

We all die. Eventually.

Guys, seriously, Sovereign did not get hit by a dreadnought class ship, he was right on the Citadel! Why would they blow a hole in the citadel, or at least scorch it from the passing heat, or some other danger that would arise from such speeds

Modifié par bwg888, 23 février 2012 - 10:58 .

[Farbautisonn]

G Kevin wrote...

Nukes? pfft. Use an Anti-matter Bomb. Costly, yet effective.

-How does our Anti matter stockpile look? 

[Ziggeh]

Farbautisonn wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

Nukes? pfft. Use an Anti-matter Bomb. Costly, yet effective.

-How does our Anti matter stockpile look? 

We keep it next to the piles of Dilithium.

[Giant ambush beetle]

Justicar wrote...

OHH LETS FIRE THE TSAR BOMBA AT IT

Yeah, whats the size of a reaper, 2 kilometers? Thats the explosion of the Tsar Bomba viewed from 20 km distance.




Now tell me that a reaper could survive that.

[Justicar]

bwg888 wrote...

Guys, seriously, Sovereign did not get hit by a dreadnought class ship, he was right on the Citadel! Why would they blow a hole in the citadel, or at least scorch it from the passing heat, or some other danger that would arise from such speeds

I edited my post.

Justicar wrote...

EDIT: It seems I've messed up my lore.

OHH LETS FIRE THE TSAR BOMBA AT IT

 

[Wulfram]

If it bombarded us from space - maybe send down some of those Husk pods too - we'd be screwed. We don't have anything it couldn't dodge, Or which it shouldn't possess point defence to deal with, even if the cinematics never show anyone using them. Hell, we couldn't do a thing about a normal dreadnought - particularly if it just decided to bombard us with it's main gun from around Mars or something..

If it chose to land, we might be able to nuke it.

[111987]

Carnage752 wrote...

111987 wrote...
Nope, not really. As I said, modern day nukes are in the megaton range; the strongest of ME weapons are in the kiloton range. One megaton=1000 kilotons. The average nuke is 15-25 megatons. The largest ever was 50 megatons, and could have been 100 megatons. We have thousands upon thousands of nukes as a species. One nuke could easily match the firepower of a ME fleet, at least in the short-run.

Sovereign could take the firepower of one fleet. The nuke would seriously have to exceed a fleet's firepower. And that still leaves the ground situation. The Reaper can easily redirect it's fire for a second to hit ground forces.

Yes and as I have explained, a modern day nuke has an energy yield far superior to that of the 12 or so ships that attacked Sovereign. Those weren't even dreadnaughts.

Forget about the ground situation. Send in the airforce; we could send a thousand planes with nukes if we wanted to. That would obvioulsy be overkill, but you get the point. Only one missile would need to strike the Reaper to kill it. And as we've seen, ships have been able to hit Reapers will missiles, they just haven't been powerful enough to do any real damage because ME people don't use nukes anymore.

Justicar wrote...

I like how Reapers lol@ Dreadnought fire
which is 30 times stronger than the Hiroshima nuke but people are
suggesting to nuke the Reaper.

We all die. Eventually.

The Hiroshima nuke is pitiful compared to modern day nukes.

The Hiroshima nuke was about 13 kilotons of force (so a dreadnaught's gun is 3x as much, not 30). The largest nuke ever tested was 50 MEGATONS.

[D. Carmine]

Astrogenesis wrote...

D. Carmine wrote...

bwg888 wrote...

D. Carmine wrote...

1 Reaper took the brunt of the entire Citadel fleet without so much as a scratch.

A... scratch? Sovereign died. Exploded. I'm not sure what event you're referring to

Sovereign was weakened from Saren's death, which led to his destruction. Prior to that, he was taking those shots pretty well.

WUT?

Saren was Sovereign's slave. If anything Saren would have been weekened by Sovereign's death, not the other way around.
Why would a million year old killing machine be affected by a poxy turian.

State your source?

Go watch the cutscene. Sovereign was posessing husk-Saren during the boss fight. After husk-Saren was destroyed, Sovereign was severely weakened. I don't remember the logic they game, I don't have my ME1 anymore.

[MDT1]

Justicar wrote...

I like how Reapers lol@ Dreadnought fire which is 30 times stronger than the Hiroshima nuke but people are suggesting to nuke the Reaper.

We all die. Eventually.

EDIT: It seems I've messed up my lore.

OHH LETS FIRE THE TSAR BOMBA AT IT

And the Tsar bomb had 1200 times the firepower of a Dreadnought...

People seriously underestimate the power of modern hydrogen bombs...

Edit: I see you recognized you calculation error :happy:

Modifié par MDT1, 23 février 2012 - 11:07 .

[D. Carmine]

bwg888 wrote...

D. Carmine wrote...

bwg888 wrote...

D. Carmine wrote...

1 Reaper took the brunt of the entire Citadel fleet without so much as a scratch.

A... scratch? Sovereign died. Exploded. I'm not sure what event you're referring to

Sovereign was weakened from Saren's death, which led to his destruction. Prior to that, he was taking those shots pretty well.

Yea, he seemed to kinda.... pass out? after Saren died, but also his shields dropped. Shep takes shots fine too until his shields go

Are you really going to place game mechanics (Shepard) with a cinematic?

[Farbautisonn]

Ziggeh wrote...
We keep it next to the piles of Dilithium.

-Nerd.

[Justicar]

God dam it I was being serious when I mentioned the Tsar Bomba, not sarcastic

And I said I messed up my lore

[Xerxes52]

The Woldan wrote...

Justicar wrote...

OHH LETS FIRE THE TSAR BOMBA AT IT

Yeah, whats the size of a reaper, 2 kilometers? Thats the explosion of the Tsar Bomba viewed from 20 km distance.




Now tell me that a reaper could survive that.

Indeed, not to mention that kinetic barriers don't protect against heat or radiation.

The thermal shockwave at the heart of the blast (which is about as hot as the core of the Sun) would flash-vaporize the metal hull of the Reaper, and the gamma pulse would instantly kill its organic components.

You'd be finding atomized metal particles throughout the atmosphere for years.

Modifié par Xerxes52, 23 février 2012 - 11:13 .

[bwg888]

D. Carmine wrote...

Are you really going to place game mechanics (Shepard) with a cinematic?

Well, it's more complicated than I first thought, ok?!

Who knows how long Sov's shields would've lasted if Saren's death hadn't rattled him. Or if he didn't have to focus on controlling him in the first place. But I wouldn't say he'd come out without a scratch, I doubt his shields were infinitely more powerful than any others. I mean.... it's not even, like, a real thing. I dunno how to judge it

[jcolt]

think red dawn

[MDT1]

I sometimes wondered why we have no nukes in ME universe, but I guess it would be to easy to defeat the reapers with them.
Also most people don't miss nuklear firepower when they have shiny new stuff like dreadnoughts. Its natural to think the new stuff must be better as the things we have now without further investigation. So I'm serious, it's quite understandable that not everybody knows that a dreadnoughts firepower is a joke compared to a hydrogen bomb.

[Chewin]

bwg888 wrote...
Well, it's more complicated than I first thought, ok?!

Who knows how long Sov's shields would've lasted if Saren's death hadn't rattled him. Or if he didn't have to focus on controlling him in the first place. But I wouldn't say he'd come out without a scratch, I doubt his shields were infinitely more powerful than any others. I mean.... it's not even, like, a real thing. I dunno how to judge it

Patrick Weekes himself stated that Sovereign would have eventually 'died', but the Alliance would have suffered heavy casualties.

[Farbautisonn]

-Because the kinetic energy of the Mass Effect Accellerators could easily surpass even current hydrogen bombs during an orbital attack?

[111987]

MDT1 wrote...

I sometimes wondered why we have no nukes in ME universe, but I guess it would be to easy to defeat the reapers with them.
Also most people don't miss nuklear firepower when they have shiny new stuff like dreadnoughts. Its natural to think the new stuff must be better as the things we have now without further investigation. So I'm serious, it's quite understandable that not everybody knows that a dreadnoughts firepower is a joke compared to a hydrogen bomb.

Weapons like nukes are heavily regulated in the ME-verse, under the Citadel Conventions. It's in the Codex under Citadel: Galactic Government.

Most of the times dreadnaughts would be the superior weapon because they can fire every three seconds and still do a ton of damage. But for something like a Reaper, it just doesn't pack the necesarry punch.

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Codex/Citadel_and_Galactic_Government#Citadel_Conventions

[Xerxes52]

Even if nukes are banned under the Citadel Conventions, the presence of a Reaper (let alone a fleet of them) stomping around on a planet immediately passes the Godzilla Threshold.

[Carnage752]

Yes and as I have explained, a modern day nuke has an energy yield far superior to that of the 12 or so ships that attacked Sovereign. Those weren't even dreadnaughts.

Forget about the ground situation. Send in the airforce; we could send a thousand planes with nukes if we wanted to. That would obvioulsy be overkill, but you get the point. Only one missile would need to strike the Reaper to kill it. And as we've seen, ships have been able to hit Reapers will missiles, they just haven't been powerful enough to do any real damage because ME people don't use nukes anymore.

Quote from whatever his name ^^

You can't just fit the nukes that could do that level of damage on fighter jets. They have to be fit on special planes designed for that. They would be easy as hell to spot, and shot down without hesitation. That's even assuming the ship stays grounded. It could easily dodge nukes launched from the planes, resulting in us destroying our lands without any damage done. Thats even assuming nukes are approved for use. The first strike would be devestating, probably hitting important assets to stop us from retaliating. The world goverments would be in chaos. When they manage to get their **** together, more likely than not many military assets and leadership elements will be destroyed. The nukes would be too valuable to make a shot that fails. Thats not even including the factor of indoctrination, which may end up making us use our nukes on ourselves. Nukes are a tenuous solution at best.

[DanRoc]

I would get it to play a game of tic tac toe against itself.

[Bananables]

we fight or we die?

what do i win

[111987]

Xerxes52 wrote...

Even if nukes are banned under the Citadel Conventions, the presence of a Reaper (let alone a fleet of them) stomping around on a planet immediately passes the Godzilla Threshold.

The problem is that with that many Reapers, the amount of nukes it would take would to kill them all would render Earth completely uninhabitable. Not to mention after the first few are destroyed, the other Reapers will likely get the hell out of there.