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[kleindropper]

Easy, dress up as husks and bring a 1996 Mac Book into the reaper to upload a virus bringing down its shields. Install a large bomb inside the reaper's superstructure and run!

[tangalin]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

tangalin wrote...
It's barriers didn't come down because of sustained fire, they came down because it was so focused on controlling Saren when you killed him.

They would have. Devs confirmed this. Of course, Sovereign would have inflicted heavy losses till then...

Link?

[TexasToast712]

The trick is getting close enough to plant a nuke. Kinetic barriers, by lore, only block incoming projectiles of great speed (bullets, missles). Therefore a team would have to get within the envelope of the reapers kinetic barriers and set one off. A suicide mission basically. Launching a nuke would just get it shot down or would do nothing but scratch a Reaper's shields if it hit.

Technically, melee attacks in the game should completely ignore shields.

Modifié par TexasToast712, 24 février 2012 - 01:38 .

[Random citizen]

If the reaper was as smart as it is supposed to be, we would not stand a chance.
If its video-game-plot-smart, it dies here with us.

[Random citizen]

tangalin wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

tangalin wrote...
It's barriers didn't come down because of sustained fire, they came down because it was so focused on controlling Saren when you killed him.

They would have. Devs confirmed this. Of course, Sovereign would have inflicted heavy losses till then...

Link?

A link would be good, but it was quite obvious.
Its a well used plot. "The evil entity gets overly arrogant, possesses or otherwise establish a direct link to a "champion" and gets burned/ temporarily stunned  and vulnerable when it its "invincible" avatar is defeated.
One of the old tricks in "the book".

Modifié par Random citizen, 24 février 2012 - 02:07 .

[tangalin]

Random citizen wrote...

tangalin wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

tangalin wrote...
It's barriers didn't come down because of sustained fire, they came down because it was so focused on controlling Saren when you killed him.

They would have. Devs confirmed this. Of course, Sovereign would have inflicted heavy losses till then...

Link?

A link would be good, but it was quite obvious.
Its a well used plot. "The evil entity gets overly arrogant, possesses or otherwise establish a direct link to a "champion" and gets burned/ temporarily stunned  and vulnerable when it its "invincible" avatar is defeated.
One of the old tricks in "the book".

I was refering to a link about the sustained fire bringing the shields down, since I haven't read anywhere else that that would have happened.

[General User]

Neat thread!  I read the whole thing and thought I might get caught up.

TexasToast712 wrote...
By lore, kinetic barriers only block incoming projectiles of great speeds. Therefore, to destroy the reaper all it would require is that someone get close enough to plant a Nuclear bomb of sufficent strength.

Probably a suicide mission, but not undo-able.  I mean the trailer shows human fighters and gunships buzzing all around Reapers like flies.  Couldn't any of them, in theory, carry a nuke?  What about nuclear mines?  Reapers like moving in and around our cities.  We could plant a series of mines around them.

111987 wrote...
A nuke would easily handle a single Reaper. Modern day nukes have yields in the megaton range, while the most powerful dreadnaughts fire only in the lower kiloton range. The fallout would be bad and millions would die, but humanity could easily survive a single Reaper.

I would think that total casualties would depend how well the area we nuke could be evacuated.

Izhalezan wrote...
What would EMPs do to a Reaper?

Probably not much.  Military electronics being "hardened" against EMP has been a technology humans have mastered since (I think) the late 1960's.  I'd be very surprised if the Reapers were vulnerable.

Ghost1017 wrote...
Rail Guns ANYONE!

Rail guns are basically what the Alliance used against Sovereign.  That also what the Klengadon Cannon is.  Rail guns kill Reapers, they just have to be big enough.

Carnage752 wrote...
It would have to be an enormous ground force to even hope for a long enough distraction. And Sovereign could easily take the entire Human fleet before Shepard intervened. The nuke would do, at most hurt his barriers, and that would be temporary. One Human fleet could easily do alot more damage than a nuke.

Depends on how they're used.  A human fleet armed with nukes would be ideal, but that's me mixing scenario's.

But MUUUUCH more importantly, it's not that nukes would hurt a Reaper's barriers, they would bypass them entirely, at least the heat of the blast would.

MDT1 wrote...
I sometimes wondered why we have no nukes in ME universe, but I guess it would be to easy to defeat the reapers with them.
Also most people don't miss nuklear firepower when they have shiny new stuff like dreadnoughts. Its natural to think the new stuff must be better as the things we have now without further investigation. So I'm serious, it's quite understandable that not everybody knows that a dreadnoughts firepower is a joke compared to a hydrogen bomb.

I think so too.  Holding to the fallacy of "newer = better" is a terrible flaw in the human race.

Maferath wrote...
Even if our current nukes have enough firepower to take down a Reaper, wouldn't it be able to hijack them or something? Our electronic systems must be very rudimentary and unprotected by Mass Effect's standards.

No.  Military electronics (actually electronics in general) don't work that way.   Reapers could (probably) disrupt our communication network but they couldn't simply hijack our weapons.

nevar00 wrote...
We would all die.

The only way we would stand a chance to kill it is if the US and Russia all launched their ridiculously unnecessary amount of nukes at the thing... I imagine that would take it down eventually, barriers and all. But even then I think we would have done some irreversible damage to our own planet.

It's not really certain how many nukes (and of what yield) would be needed to take down a Reaper, one could be enough.  Though, even if it weren't, the collateral damage (environmental included) would be largely localized.

DJBare wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...
There are always some SSBNs on patrol, at least that was the case back in the day™.

It's only one reaper we are talking about anyway. It can't be everywhere at once.

It does not have to, so long as it remains in orbit and on the move we don't have a hope in hell of hitting it with anything.

If all it did was stay in orbit and on the move, then it has failed to take the Earth.  That would be a stalemate situation.

Modifié par General User, 24 février 2012 - 04:21 .

[Random citizen]

tangalin wrote...

Random citizen wrote...

tangalin wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

tangalin wrote...
It's barriers didn't come down because of sustained fire, they came down because it was so focused on controlling Saren when you killed him.

They would have. Devs confirmed this. Of course, Sovereign would have inflicted heavy losses till then...

Link?

A link would be good, but it was quite obvious.
Its a well used plot. "The evil entity gets overly arrogant, possesses or otherwise establish a direct link to a "champion" and gets burned/ temporarily stunned  and vulnerable when it its "invincible" avatar is defeated.
One of the old tricks in "the book".

I was refering to a link about the sustained fire bringing the shields down, since I haven't read anywhere else that that would have happened.

Sorry.
Yeah, I remember reading something about that sovereign would eventually have been overwhelmed by enemy fire, but that it would take quite some time. But it is a moot point since the relay would no doubt have already been opened to dark space and the rest of the reapers would arrive.

[Drake-Shepard]

nukes aren't based on mass effect relay tech. So they wouldn't even know what hit them

Modifié par Drake-Shepard, 24 février 2012 - 03:15 .

[Drake-Shepard]

Thing about nukes that make them useless in a space battle is that it will take them forever to fly to the target. They may detonate on a force field 1/2 a mile from the mothership (independence day style)...or shot down with accurate laser fire

So it can be be assumed that humans no longer equip dreadnoughts with nukes, or mass effect core drive overload bombs. No one assumes they will need one against a reaper-like ship that lands on your planet.

But if a reaper just landed on earth then yh..you could walk up to it with a nuke and no forcefield will stop a nuke that is pretty much next to the exterior hull.

The jets buzzing around the reapers in the demo...either do not have nukes... or are not willing to destroy 10 square miles per reaper. We would be destroying earth faster then the reapers can. lol

[Jonttu1]

Drake-Shepard wrote...

Thing about nukes that make them useless in a space battle is that it will take them forever to fly to the target. They may detonate on a force field 1/2 a mile from the mothership (independence day style)...or shot down with accurate laser fire

So it can be be assumed that humans no longer equip dreadnoughts with nukes, or mass effect core drive overload bombs. No one assumes they will need one against a reaper-like ship that lands on your planet.

But if a reaper just landed on earth then yh..you could walk up to it with a nuke and no forcefield will stop a nuke that is pretty much next to the exterior hull.

The jets buzzing around the reapers in the demo...either do not have nukes... or are not willing to destroy 10 square miles per reaper. We would be destroying earth faster then the reapers can. lol

Can you come up with a reason why a nuke couldn't be launched from a mass accelerator?

[Heart Collector]

I'd grab my best buddy and run up to it, repeatedly bowing and yelling "WE'RE NOT WORTHY!" before we are incinerated along with the rest of our verminous species >

[dangermouseuk78]

lol folks believe to much Scifi we couldnt defend an Alien attack how we are today i reckon 1 reaper could easily take us out without breaking a sweat. Love scifi myself but its so rubbish at the same time. Its like oh no Galaxies in trouble what are we going to do not to worry the humans are here to save the day lol.

[NM_Che56]

I saw Battle: Los Angeles. I know what I must do.

[Gamer391]

The nuke idea is a brute force & blind attack. And which would already be calculated by the attacking Reaper. So although that would be the most powerful option, it wouldn't be the wisest. I would suggest:

Step-I: Detonate an EMP in the upper atmosphere of Earth, which could reduce the Reaper down to a scrap of metal, if only for a second.

Step-II: An infiltration by a shepherd and some scape-goats into its super-structure during this window.

Step-III: Destroy/Overload the Eezo core somehow using equipment not affected by the EMP, which would bring it down completely.

And ta da!!!! Your Reaper IS DOWN. Now do all the research you want to on it, while the dead God's dreams indoctrinate you and eventually take over Earth by converting everyone into husks.

Modifié par Gamer391, 24 février 2012 - 05:26 .

[General User]

Gamer391 wrote...

The nuke idea is a brute force & blind attack. And which would already be calculated by the attacking Reaper. So although that would be the most powerful option, it wouldn't be the wisest. I would suggest:

Step-I: Detonate an EMP in the upper atmosphere of Earth, which could reduce the Reaper down to a scrap of metal, if only for a second.

Step-II: An infiltration by a shepherd and some scape-goats into its super-structure during this window.

Step-III: Destroy/Overload the Eezo core somehow using equipment not affected by the EMP, which would bring it down completely.

And ta da!!!! Your Reaper IS DOWN. Now do all the research you want to on it, while the dead God's dreams indoctrinate you and eventually take over Earth by converting everyone into husks.

If modern military electronics are protected against an EMP, why would you think Reapers would be vulnerable to such an attack?

[Fishy]

We would find a virus(The Love letter) and send WIll smith to save the world of course and upload it into their system with a pentium 400 mhz.

Modifié par Suprez30, 24 février 2012 - 06:02 .

[Davidicus]

Lasers.

BRING OUT THE LASERS!!!!!

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I've been thinking about the military plan for a year to keep the nuclear weapons, to defend the earth against possible hostile UFOs?

Am I insane?

Modifié par Jedi Sentinel Arian, 24 février 2012 - 06:24 .

[Locutus_of_BORG]

shepard1038 wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

By lore, kinetic barriers only block incoming projectiles of great speeds. Therefore, to destroy the reaper all it would require is that someone get close enough to plant a Nuclear bomb of sufficent strength.

Like a nuclear mine.

Nukes aren't any different from other explosives in that they need to be surrounded by something and their targets need to be surrounded by the same something in order for the explosive to make a pressure wave that damages the target... In space, a nuke basically only has itself (ie: the material of the bomb itself), so most of its explosive energy will just blow into the void of space and very little will actually go into the Reaper. Not only that, if you look at the stuff the good guys use in ME, then you'll know that everybody already uses stuff that hits harder then nukes... and the Reapers shrug it off anyway.

Listen, w/o something at least on the scale of actual Mass Effect technology, there is absolutely nothing that we can do IRL to an invading race using said technology.

[turian councilor Knockout]

reapers are overrated, i would take em in a brawl and rip them in half.

[GarethJShep]

I think people will panic and others will well.. Fight

[Annihilator27]

Upload Windows Vista into it.