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[ObserverStatus]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
anyway, like I said, my goal is: Starcraft 2 at max settings, itunes skype and chrome all at once, can the i3-2100 do this as well as the FX-4100?

As well or better.
Cheifly, the main sticking point is that AMD's Bulldozer architecture is brand new and Windows is not really capable of taking optimal advantage of it (has something to do with the instruction set, I think - that's way out of my area so don't take my word on it), and AMD hasn't really worked out some of the kinks and the high clock speeds necessary to truly utilize it to the max. Hyperthreading is much more mature, by computer standards, so the i3 has an advantage even though they should theoretically be about equal to each other.
You could wait a month or two and see how Intel's Ivy Bridge processors work out. Whatever they wind up calling the i3 of that genration will beat either the ones discussed above, for the same price as those are now, and the FX-4100 and i3-2100 will get their prices cut to remain competitive.  

Interesting, I'll have to follow it in the news.  Seems like either way I'll benefit from holding out.

[Andarthiel_Demigod]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Lenimph wrote...
And from what I see the FX-4100 still overbenches it regardless of it being 30 bucks cheaper. 

Depends on the task at hand. It'll be faster in some applications, slower than others. They more or less even out. On the other hand, it's also got a higher thermal envelope, so it produces more heat and noise. 

I can attest to that, I have FX-4100 and it gets pretty hot and sometimes noisy. But I can't complain. it does a pretty good job with the current gen of games.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

AMD: No buy
Get:
Intel Core i5 (2500) at least.
18" Monitor
A good optical mouse which has wire.
Not the last 'graphic card' (but new indeed 2011), or you are milked!
At least 1 terabyte HDD (2 TB is recommended)
A strong 2.1 Speakers with high Quality (Like Logitech and Creative) ... Dolby is overrated and useless
4-8 GB Memory
Intel or Gigabyte motherboard

Based on 15 years of PC experience and relating with experts.

[ObserverStatus]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...
Well, honestly, 1 TB is pleeeeeeeeeeenty. Unless you're going to be putting movies on there.
And, if you can, I'd go for a laser mouse, wireless. Wireless allows more movement, and the laser's quite a bit more accurate.
I have a Logitech MX 5000. It cost 150 when I bought it (it's a keyboard and mouse combo), but it's still running wonderfully.

Right now I'm using a Naga Orochi mouse  that I got from Razer for 80, but it hasn't failed me yet.

Modifié par bobobo878, 24 février 2012 - 05:08 .

[TheBlackBaron]

A 2TB hard drive is just excessive, especially right now where that'll run you about $200-$250 dollars. Might as well just get a 120GB SSD for that price. Definitely get 8GB of RAM, though, memory prices being rock bottom.

Mobo wise, Asus is also a good brand.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I bought my Seagate 1.5 TB HDD last years around 80$, but its quality is garbage! I sense sometimes It wants to explode! 1.5 won't fail you, 1 TB will fail in 2 years.

And my Philips mouse is hardly 8$ and it's great. My keyboard is logitech and it's around 30$.

[TheBlackBaron]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

A 2TB hard drive is just excessive, especially right now where that'll run you about $200-$250 dollars. Might as well just get a 120GB SSD for that price. Definitely get 8GB of RAM, though, memory prices being rock bottom.

Mobo wise, Asus is also a good brand.

SSDs are way too expensive for now, I think.

You can get a 1TB for pretty cheap.

Relative to HDD prices? Not at all, especially right now after the Thailand floods. 

[ObserverStatus]

I think that tBB is right and I should probably hold out until the ivy bridge line comes out, but as long as this is a "if I were to buy this today" scenario, how well would this build work?

Hard Drive:
Western Digital Caviar Blue WD3200AAKX 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive 
Mother Board:
ASRock 970 EXTREME3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard 
Processor:
AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor FD4100WMGUSBX 
Graphics:
SAPPHIRE 100326L Radeon HD 6670 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card 
Memory:
Mushkin Enhanced Silverline 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model 996770 

[TheBlackBaron]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

I thought you said 120GB was $250. That's incredibly expensive.

No, I said a 2TB hard drive would cost you $250. Depending on the brand and sales, a 120/128GB SSD will run you anywhere from $150-$200, or the same price as a 1TB or 1.5TB HDD costs right now - while offering vastly superior performance. 

[ObserverStatus]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

 Check this out.

For fifteen more bucks, you get 180 GB more.

I saw that, but I figured that I'd jsut roll with the 320 gb version until I run out of room, and than install a much larger and slower drive for video storage and the like. As for the GPU, I couldn't find a Radeon 5750 unti for a lower price than the gpu I posted.

Modifié par bobobo878, 24 février 2012 - 05:33 .

[TheBlackBaron]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

That hard drive is waaay too expensive.

For the GPU, remember: with ATI cards, the second number is what matters. The first is simply the generation, the second is the actual level. So, a 5750 would be more powerful than a 6670.

Decent rule of thumb, although the lines will blur a bit the bigger the generation gap. Nvidia should be releasing their new cards soon, so AMD's cards will drop when that happens. Even then, though, a good 6850 (sufficient to max anything not specifically not made with the idea of making your computer cry) will only cost about $150 right now, and that'll drop further in a few months. 

ASRock is a good motherboard brand, they're an offshoot of Asus so you shouldn't have any problems there. 

EDIT: Oh, and make sure you check other sites besides Newegg. They're good, but Amazon and Microcenter can beat them at times (I know Microcenter had like a $40 discount on the i5 I bought compared to what Newegg and Amazon posted). 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 24 février 2012 - 05:37 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I've heard that SSDrives have low longevity.

@bobobo878, I disagree with your Hard Drive, Mother Board, Processor.

Intel rules. I use it for 13 years: Pentium 233 - Pentium III 1000, Pentium IV 3 GHz, P IV (3.4 GHZ) Core i5 2500

Modifié par Jedi Sentinel Arian, 24 février 2012 - 05:44 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

I've heard that SSDrives have low longevity.

It depends. Drives from OCZ or the like with SandForce controllers have had reliability issues, but the ones from Intel or Samsung are as reliable as any storage device. 

[ObserverStatus]

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

I've heard that SSDrives have low longevity.

@bobobo878, I disagree with your Hard Drive, Mother Board, Processor.

Intel rules. I use it for 13 years: Pentium 233 - Pentium III 1000, Pentium IV 3 GHz, P IV Core i5 2500

Right now I'm running an Intel Core 2 Duo T5750 and, well, I has disappoint.

[ObserverStatus]

TheBlackBaron wrote...
EDIT: Oh, and make sure you check other sites besides Newegg. They're good, but Amazon and Microcenter can beat them at times (I know Microcenter had like a $40 discount on the i5 I bought compared to what Newegg and Amazon posted). 

Good point, I should probably shop around before dropping $500 on a computer.

Modifié par bobobo878, 24 février 2012 - 05:47 .

[TheBlackBaron]

I was too young to be following this stuff back in the early 2000's, but man have I heard some horror stories about the Pentium IV.

That was AMD's real heyday, back when you had 500MHz Athlons out-performing 2.0GHz Pentium IVs, and Apple was off in the corner playing with itself instead of producing inferior PCs with luxury taxes paid for their logo.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 24 février 2012 - 05:50 .

[ObserverStatus]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
Right now I'm running an Intel Core 2 Duo T5750 and, well, I has disappoint.

Intel>AMD. Period.
And ATI>Nvidia.
I realize that's a little oxymoronic, but it's not my fault that AMD bought them!

It has an integrated Nvidia chip too, not sure how to check which one. And that I3-2100 is so... spendy.

Modifié par bobobo878, 24 février 2012 - 05:55 .