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[stylepoints]

So you think it's okay for developers to cut out very significant pieces of plot and sell them to you for extra when it could be in everyone's game day 1? That's a new one.

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stylepoints wrote...

hex23 wrote...

Holoe4 wrote...

It was being worked on after ME3 went into certification, and I believe it was created by a separate team that didn't have anything to do with the development of the main game. But I could be wrong....

A lot of other game developers do the same thing anyways. To some it's a big deal, to others not so much.

No one believes that. Which makes the whole thing even more retarded, because not only do they not have any proof that this content could've been included in the game, they think any info suggesting that is lies. This allows them to create whatever scenario best suits their crusade.

And for the record, I know about the files in the demo. Again, it was the same sh*t with Kasumi.  A few files does not a finished product make.

They gave zaeed and the cerberus network to everyone who bought the game. They didn't take a huge plot point and make you pay 10 dollars for it. Did you forget about zaeed? This is the exact same scenario, except instead of a random old guy it's an enormous plot point, and they are ripping off their fans.

If you actually give them your money, you are only making it worse for yourself and others down the road.

I think everyone should wait and see how this all plays out first.What could the prothean possibly tell/show shepard , we already know reapers beat/indoctrinated/changed the protheans into the collectors.We already know Mars might have clues to a prothean super weapon ,  in the end I don't think Mr.Prothean will be all that important.

[Dragoonlordz]

stylepoints wrote...

So you think it's okay for developers to cut out very significant pieces of plot and sell them to you for extra when it could be in everyone's game day 1? That's a new one.

Cut is fallacy. Assumption only.

As said in reply to your statement about missing out on lore, the same principle applies to the books and the comics all of which can enhance your understanding of the lore. The character is no different. Just as they are optional so is he, they are not free and neither is he.

It does not offend me because I have the option to purchase and experience it if wish to, just like the books.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 24 février 2012 - 01:06 .

[AtreiyaN7]

stylepoints wrote...

They gave zaeed and the cerberus network to everyone who bought the game. They didn't take a huge plot point and make you pay 10 dollars for it. Did you forget about zaeed? This is the exact same scenario, except instead of a random old guy it's an enormous plot point, and they are ripping off their fans.

Imagine if they made you fork over 10 bucks to get legion on day 1. You would miss out on all the lore and backstory of the geth. It creates a big hole in your understanding of the ME universe vs. someone who has it. It's something that is ready Day1 you get your game, but they gate it with a 10 dollar pricetag. It's reprehensible.

If you actually give them your money, you are only making it worse for yourself and others down the road.

And you have proof that it's a so-called enormous plot point?  Maybe you're making an assumption about it solely because it's a Prothean. Once the DLC is actually released, then we'll be able to see whether or not this qualifies as more than a blip in plot-point land.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 24 février 2012 - 01:04 .

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stylepoints wrote...

So you think it's okay for developers to cut out very significant pieces of plot and sell them to you for extra when it could be in everyone's game day 1? That's a new one.

We don't know if that's case , so far Rage is the only game that fits your description(and they paid for it).

[stylepoints]

The protheans are a big lore mystery still. Think about what we really knew about the geth before we met legion. For me, and I'm assuming I'm not alone, the lore and mystery surrounding things like the protheans are a big part of my enjoyment of the series.

[Aaleel]

I still haven't pre-ordered the game yet. Had nothing to do with this though. I've just been in wait and see mode. But if you're going to make day 1 DLC and only offer it to a certain edition of the game. It shouldn't be an edition in limited supply.

[stylepoints]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

stylepoints wrote...

So you think it's okay for developers to cut out very significant pieces of plot and sell them to you for extra when it could be in everyone's game day 1? That's a new one.

Cut is fallacy. Assumption only.

As said in reply to your statement about missing out on lore, the same principle applies to the books and the comics all of which can enhance your understanding of the lore. The character is no different. Just as they are optional so is he, they are not free and neither is he.

There is a difference between cutting content from the game and selling it to you for 10 bucks vs. creating a new medium on a new platform.

[Dragoonlordz]

stylepoints wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

stylepoints wrote...

So you think it's okay for developers to cut out very significant pieces of plot and sell them to you for extra when it could be in everyone's game day 1? That's a new one.

Cut is fallacy. Assumption only.

As said in reply to your statement about missing out on lore, the same principle applies to the books and the comics all of which can enhance your understanding of the lore. The character is no different. Just as they are optional so is he, they are not free and neither is he.

There is a difference between cutting content from the game and selling it to you for 10 bucks vs. creating a new medium on a new platform.

Bolded and underlined.

[Dragoonlordz]

Aaleel wrote...

I still haven't pre-ordered the game yet. Had nothing to do with this though. I've just been in wait and see mode. But if you're going to make day 1 DLC and only offer it to a certain edition of the game. It shouldn't be an edition in limited supply.

The DLC is offered to all, the ones with one edition already paid for the content with higher price of the edition, the rest pay less but get that specific content. Like I said if was exclusive and only available to one edition and none others then I may have vented about it somewhat too but they simply have not done that here.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 24 février 2012 - 01:09 .

[stylepoints]

It's not an assumption. How long ago did they tell you this would be in the CE? It was developed along with the game. This isn't a gun pack they threw together in the last week of the dev cycle. It was something they knew fans wanted and intentionally sold separately. There's nothing to assume.

Also, don't forget day1 dlc no matter what it is is normally free. Remember the Cerberus Network?

Modifié par stylepoints, 24 février 2012 - 01:11 .

[G3rman]

stylepoints wrote...

The protheans are a big lore mystery still. Think about what we really knew about the geth before we met legion. For me, and I'm assuming I'm not alone, the lore and mystery surrounding things like the protheans are a big part of my enjoyment of the series.

Well then you are the target audience for this DLC.

Everyone else who doesn't care, isn't aware of the DLC, or just doesn't have access to it won't care.

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Aaleel wrote...

I still haven't pre-ordered the game yet. Had nothing to do with this though. I've just been in wait and see mode. But if you're going to make day 1 DLC and only offer it to a certain edition of the game. It shouldn't be an edition in limited supply.

I would actually argue this is how it should work due to it being premium content.Now if a huge chuck of the game is gone and suddenly without prothean nothing makes sense then let's have everyone together take action against this sort of pratice.

But my feeling is he's not important to the ME3 plot , and he will be more of a man out of time.He will watch where shepard succeds where his race failed.Afterward he's off to explore the galaxy.

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[stylepoints]

G3rman wrote...

stylepoints wrote...

The protheans are a big lore mystery still. Think about what we really knew about the geth before we met legion. For me, and I'm assuming I'm not alone, the lore and mystery surrounding things like the protheans are a big part of my enjoyment of the series.

Well then you are the target audience for this DLC.

Everyone else who doesn't care, isn't aware of the DLC, or just doesn't have access to it won't care.

Actually, apparently I'm not, because I'm not giving them a penny for the game or their dlc now.

[Dragoonlordz]

stylepoints wrote...

It's not an assumption. How long ago did they tell you this would be in the CE? It was developed along with the game. This isn't a gun pack they threw together in the last week of the dev cycle. It was something they knew fans wanted and intentionally sold separately. There's nothing to assume.

Also, don't forget day1 dlc no matter what it is is normally free.

Telling you that will be a character and actually when starting work coding and completing that work is different. The character was never in the standard edition from the offset, it was explained would be in the CE from the start. If you buy the standard you were never promised it to begin with.

Your last sentence is entitlement, you are not entitled to anything more than what is for sale/selling or offered.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 24 février 2012 - 01:14 .

[Mann42]

If all the mouth foaming boycotts of Call of Duty and Left4Dead 2 are any indication...

It will sell a record number of copies for the franchise and the people at EA/Bioware will be celebrating with money hats on.

[TheOptimist]

Won't do a darn thing to sales. CE has pretty much sold out already, and the game will fly off the shelves.

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nexworks wrote...

If all the mouth foaming boycotts of Call of Duty and Left4Dead 2 are any indication...

It will sell a record number of copies for the franchise and the people at EA/Bioware will be celebrating with money hats on.

This , their already millions sold.Losing a few thousand isn't going to hurt them until ME4 because they will have to work to get people interested again.

Modifié par LOST SPARTANJLC, 24 février 2012 - 01:18 .

[Aaleel]

stylepoints wrote...

It's not an assumption. How long ago did they tell you this would be in the CE? It was developed along with the game. This isn't a gun pack they threw together in the last week of the dev cycle. It was something they knew fans wanted and intentionally sold separately. There's nothing to assume.

Also, don't forget day1 dlc no matter what it is is normally free. Remember the Cerberus Network?

I'm trying to remember if Sebastian was free day 1 for DA2.  I thought if you didn't get the special edition for DA2 you had to buy him day 1 as well. 

[Dragoonlordz]

TheOptimist wrote...

Won't do a darn thing to sales. CE has pretty much sold out already, and the game will fly off the shelves.

Yeh, secretly I am hoping those who boycott (the very few who are not all just huff and puff), actually free up a couple copies of CE in my region because I had two on pre-order (CE variety) and they got cancelled due to oversubscribing orders done by retailer.

[stylepoints]

Dragoonlordz wrote...


Your last sentence is entitlement, you are not entitled to anything more than what is for sale/selling or offered.

You talk as if customers shouldn't have standards. It's attitudes like that that let people like Bioware/EA get away with crap like that. Look at what CD Projekt is doing with the witcher 2. That's treating your customers right. If you want to be treated like dirt by these people then keep giving them your money.

It's absurd to think that I expect a complete game for $60.

[stylepoints]

nexworks wrote...

If all the mouth foaming boycotts of Call of Duty and Left4Dead 2 are any indication...

It will sell a record number of copies for the franchise and the people at EA/Bioware will be celebrating with money hats on.

Don't forget the successful boycotts on other games like battlefield 3, and they certainly weren't hurting for sales.

Modifié par stylepoints, 24 février 2012 - 01:21 .

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ME4 will be the time for people who are mad now to remember what happened to them.

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Dont think it will affect sales that much, over a million copies of ME3 have been pre-ordered in the USA alone. This game will be larger than ME2 and ME1 regardless, at max I see under 30,000 people cancelling their pre-order due to origin or day 1 DLC, many of whom will change their minds if the reviews (both official and user, DA2 discrepancies come to mind) are good.
I personally dont mind the DLC, I had pre-ordered a CE edition. I imagine it is a lot like shale, she had full dialog with the other squadmates and full intergration into the game yet she was DLC. Yet why this doesnt bother me is that if you played DA:O and didnt know about shale it was still a complete game.....

[Dragoonlordz]

stylepoints wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...


Your last sentence is entitlement, you are not entitled to anything more than what is for sale/selling or offered.

You talk as if customers shouldn't have standards. It's attitudes like that that let people like Bioware/EA get away with crap like that. Look at what CD Projekt is doing with the witcher 2. That's treating your customers right. If you want to be treated like dirt by these people then keep giving them your money.

It's absurd to think that I expect a complete game for $60.

The game is a complete game, your subjective opinion about how much content defines "complete" for you has very little relevance. I bought TW2 and I also plan on buying multiple copies of ME3.