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[Dr. Jacko]

stylepoints wrote...

It's not an assumption. How long ago did they tell you this would be in the CE? It was developed along with the game. This isn't a gun pack they threw together in the last week of the dev cycle. It was something they knew fans wanted and intentionally sold separately. There's nothing to assume.

The DLC was developed after the game was sent off to be manufactured. It would have been physically impossible to include it on the disc, and it cost money to make so not charging for it would be moronic.

[TheOptimist]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

TheOptimist wrote...

Won't do a darn thing to sales. CE has pretty much sold out already, and the game will fly off the shelves.

Yeh, secretly I am hoping those who boycott (the very few who are not all just huff and puff), actually free up a couple copies of CE in my region because I had two on pre-order (CE variety) and they got cancelled due to oversubscribing orders done by retailer.

Since you seem fairly rational, I hope you manage to snag one.

[Nohvarr]

nexworks wrote...

If all the mouth foaming boycotts of Call of Duty and Left4Dead 2 are any indication...

It will sell a record number of copies for the franchise and the people at EA/Bioware will be celebrating with money hats on.

Hmmm now that I think about it...calling fo Boycotts can have the effect of putting said products name out there and increasing sales. In  the USA a few years back a group of conservatives tried to Boycott Michael Moore's books and movies....which increased the sales dramatcally. People called for Boycotts of COD and L4D2....both sold very well....


....maybe Bioware should be thanking the Boycotters....they might get more people to by the Day 1 DLC who would've otherwisebeen unaware of it since they don't frequent these boards or other sites.

Angry Gamer: "Boycott Mass Effect 3, they have Day 1 DLC involving a prothean."

Average Consumer: "What?! They have a Prothean DLC!!  Cool I'll preorder right now!"

[CerberusSoldier]

Op people will buy this game no matter what .

[Mann42]

stylepoints wrote...

nexworks wrote...

If all the mouth foaming boycotts of Call of Duty and Left4Dead 2 are any indication...

It will sell a record number of copies for the franchise and the people at EA/Bioware will be celebrating with money hats on.

Don't forget the successful boycotts on other games like battlefield 3.

Successful by whose metric? Battlefield 3 still sold a record number of copies for the Battlefield franchise, faster than any other Battlefield game, with a higher profit and revenue over time than any other Battlefield game.

Just because it didn't 'defeat' Call of Duty doesn't mean there wasn't dancing and money-hats. Your bias is showing.

[stylepoints]

Dr. Jacko wrote...

stylepoints wrote...

It's not an assumption. How long ago did they tell you this would be in the CE? It was developed along with the game. This isn't a gun pack they threw together in the last week of the dev cycle. It was something they knew fans wanted and intentionally sold separately. There's nothing to assume.

The DLC was developed after the game was sent off to be manufactured. It would have been physically impossible to include it on the disc, and it cost money to make so not charging for it would be moronic.

I'm not saying include it on the disk, I'm saying include it for free via patch day 1 like the cerberus network did.

[Dr. Jacko]

Woops, forum glitch.

Modifié par Dr. Jacko, 24 février 2012 - 01:26 .

[stylepoints]

nexworks wrote...

stylepoints wrote...

nexworks wrote...

If all the mouth foaming boycotts of Call of Duty and Left4Dead 2 are any indication...

It will sell a record number of copies for the franchise and the people at EA/Bioware will be celebrating with money hats on.

Don't forget the successful boycotts on other games like battlefield 3.

Successful by whose metric? Battlefield 3 still sold a record number of copies for the Battlefield franchise, faster than any other Battlefield game, with a higher profit and revenue over time than any other Battlefield game.

Just because it didn't 'defeat' Call of Duty doesn't mean there wasn't dancing and money-hats. Your bias is showing.

The point of the boycott was to get them to release exclusive DLC to everyone, and it worked. 

[Nohvarr]

stylepoints wrote...

nexworks wrote...

stylepoints wrote...

nexworks wrote...

If all the mouth foaming boycotts of Call of Duty and Left4Dead 2 are any indication...

It will sell a record number of copies for the franchise and the people at EA/Bioware will be celebrating with money hats on.

Don't forget the successful boycotts on other games like battlefield 3.

Successful by whose metric? Battlefield 3 still sold a record number of copies for the Battlefield franchise, faster than any other Battlefield game, with a higher profit and revenue over time than any other Battlefield game.

Just because it didn't 'defeat' Call of Duty doesn't mean there wasn't dancing and money-hats. Your bias is showing.

The point of the boycott was to get them to release exclusive DLC to everyone, and it worked. 

Oh....so the goal here isn't to boycott the game but to scare Bioware into giving you this for free.....I see I get it now.

[fatalmaverick]

Dr. Jacko wrote...

stylepoints wrote...

It's not an assumption. How long ago did they tell you this would be in the CE? It was developed along with the game. This isn't a gun pack they threw together in the last week of the dev cycle. It was something they knew fans wanted and intentionally sold separately. There's nothing to assume.

The DLC was developed after the game was sent off to be manufactured. It would have been physically impossible to include it on the disc, and it cost money to make so not charging for it would be moronic.

I think the issue here is poeple aren't willing to take what the producers say at face value. It is quite fishy that they decide to spend 'their free time' after the game is complete on making a series of side missions that were so important (Prothean). How come they couldn't have extended development a bit and included this in the final release, instead of ending development early?

[stylepoints]

Dr. Jacko wrote...


The DLC was made after the game was already sent off to be manufactured and shipped. It would have been physically impossible to include on the disc. And giving away a piece of seperately-developed content for free would be moronic, considering that even those gun packs cost tens of thousands of dollars to make.

They have done it with every bioware game I can remember since DLC existed. Must be a bunch of morons. Shael/Zaeed/DA2 had some crap I can't remember. CD Projekt gives all witcher 2 content to every user free of charge. It isn't moronic, it's called giving your customer value so they come back and buy from you.

[Mann42]

stylepoints wrote...

The point of the boycott was to get them to release exclusive DLC to everyone, and it worked. 

Not exactly. The boycott didn't do anything. The whining, crying, and entitlement generated on the forums may have contributed, but they certainly didn't feel it in the pocket-book.

Modifié par nexworks, 24 février 2012 - 01:27 .

[Dragoonlordz]

stylepoints wrote...

Dr. Jacko wrote...

stylepoints wrote...

It's not an assumption. How long ago did they tell you this would be in the CE? It was developed along with the game. This isn't a gun pack they threw together in the last week of the dev cycle. It was something they knew fans wanted and intentionally sold separately. There's nothing to assume.

The DLC was developed after the game was sent off to be manufactured. It would have been physically impossible to include it on the disc, and it cost money to make so not charging for it would be moronic.

I'm not saying include it on the disk, I'm saying include it for free via patch day 1 like the cerberus network did.

When you invest millions of your own money into making your own games, you are quite free do so that for others.

EA and Bioware have the right to decide what they offer as package and rightly so. You as a consumer have the right to decide if that package is acceptable to you and decide if wish to buy or skip maybe even wait for a possible GoTY version or trilogy set few years down the line which contains all DLC and all titles. But demanding, threatening with boycotts or telling them to make it free is crossing the line into entitlement which is not right.

[Dr. Jacko]

stylepoints wrote...

Dr. Jacko wrote...

stylepoints wrote...

It's not an assumption. How long ago did they tell you this would be in the CE? It was developed along with the game. This isn't a gun pack they threw together in the last week of the dev cycle. It was something they knew fans wanted and intentionally sold separately. There's nothing to assume.

The DLC was developed after the game was sent off to be manufactured. It would have been physically impossible to include it on the disc, and it cost money to make so not charging for it would be moronic.

I'm not saying include it on the disk, I'm saying include it for free via patch day 1 like the cerberus network did.

Even those gun packs cost tens of thousands of dollars to make. Cerberus Network DLC WAS developed alongside the game, it was a used-game deterrent.

[stylepoints]

Nohvarr wrote...
Oh....so the goal here isn't to boycott the game but to scare Bioware into giving you this for free.....I see I get it now.

It's to get a cut chunk of the game to be included in the game. If it doesn't work, I'm not giving them my money for the game or the dlc, and I won't be buying whatever they put out later on down the road. It's up to them to decide whether they want my money or not.

[Nohvarr]

stylepoints wrote...

Dr. Jacko wrote...


The DLC was made after the game was already sent off to be manufactured and shipped. It would have been physically impossible to include on the disc. And giving away a piece of seperately-developed content for free would be moronic, considering that even those gun packs cost tens of thousands of dollars to make.

They have done it with every bioware game I can remember since DLC existed. Must be a bunch of morons. Shael/Zaeed/DA2 had some crap I can't remember. CD Projekt gives all witcher 2 content to every user free of charge. It isn't moronic, it's called giving your customer value so they come back and buy from you.

Ah CD Project, they gave people what they wanted....and had 4.5 MILLION copies of their game pirated for their trouble.....I have no sympathy for gamers after that....I really don't. Had 5.6 million peopl bought copies of the game, you might see some changes in the industry but no....only 1.1 million felt the need to support a developer that gave them free DLC, and no DRM.

[fatalmaverick]

Since when did demanding to have a complete product become entitlement? Nobody is asking for extra content for free. People are asking that everything that should have be included with the package be included with the package. There are many moral grey areas here, of course, but there should be a general guideline that something that you make so close to the end of development should have been included in the development itself. Consumers aren't entitled, we just ask for the respect we have given them over the years, and not to be swindled.

[stylepoints]

Dragoonlordz wrote...


When you invest millions of your own money into making your own games, you are quite free do so that for others.

EA and Bioware have the right to decide what they offer as package and rightly so. You as a consumer have the right to decide if that package is acceptable to you and decide if wish to buy or skip maybe even wait for a possible GoTY version or trilogy set few years down the line which contains all DLC and all titles. But demanding, threatening with boycotts or telling them to make it free is crossing the line into entitlement which is not right.

They do have the right to do whatever they want. And if they go down this path it's a poor business decision and they will feel it later. I'm telling them that people really are going to avoid buying this game and future games because of this. It's up to them what to do of course, but someone has to let them know how stupid this is.

[Mann42]

stylepoints wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...
Oh....so the goal here isn't to boycott the game but to scare Bioware into giving you this for free.....I see I get it now.

It's to get a cut chunk of the game to be included in the game. If it doesn't work, I'm not giving them my money for the game or the dlc, and I won't be buying whatever they put out later on down the road. It's up to them to decide whether they want my money or not.

Trust me, they don't. "Fans" like you are too much trouble, because you'll never be happy, and only spread hate and bile in your wake.

[stylepoints]

Nohvarr wrote...

Ah CD Project, they gave people what they wanted....and had 4.5 MILLION copies of their game pirated for their trouble.....I have no sympathy for gamers after that....I really don't. Had 5.6 million peopl bought copies of the game, you might see some changes in the industry but no....only 1.1 million felt the need to support a developer that gave them free DLC, and no DRM.

A lot of those pirated copies ended up as sales. I know this for a fact. I will be supporting them for future releases because of how well they handled everything. It'll be interesting to see how their console release goes for sure.

[Nohvarr]

stylepoints wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...
Oh....so the goal here isn't to boycott the game but to scare Bioware into giving you this for free.....I see I get it now.

It's to get a cut chunk of the game to be included in the game. If it doesn't work, I'm not giving them my money for the game or the dlc, and I won't be buying whatever they put out later on down the road. It's up to them to decide whether they want my money or not.

Well people have told you repeatedly that it's not cut content. Worst comes to worst, Bioware will likely miss you as much as they did all those people who left the board/cancelled preorders during the run up to ME 2 because not enough ME 1 character had a significant role in the sequel.

stylepoints wrote...

A lot of those pirated copies ended up as sales. I know this for a fact. I will be supporting them for future releases because of how well they handled everything. It'll be interesting to see how their console release goes for sure.

The game sold 1.1 million copies.....I'm not seeing those sales and until I do, gamers have no standing with me.

Modifié par Nohvarr, 24 février 2012 - 01:34 .

[Mann42]

stylepoints wrote...

They do have the right to do whatever they want. And if they go down this path it's a poor business decision and they will feel it later. I'm telling them that people really are going to avoid buying this game and future games because of this. It's up to them what to do of course, but someone has to let them know how stupid this is.

The only thing that will determine whether people buy the next Mass Effect game is how good this one is. After the game launches, the quality is the only thing people remember. This whole kerfluffle will be forgotten like a bad dream, and nobody except for the most extreme voices will even remember there was a 'problem'. 

It's that way for every game. Quality trumps all, and if the game is amazing, nobody is going to care about when the DLC was launched.

[fatalmaverick]

nexworks wrote...

stylepoints wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...
Oh....so the goal here isn't to boycott the game but to scare Bioware into giving you this for free.....I see I get it now.

It's to get a cut chunk of the game to be included in the game. If it doesn't work, I'm not giving them my money for the game or the dlc, and I won't be buying whatever they put out later on down the road. It's up to them to decide whether they want my money or not.

Trust me, they don't. "Fans" like you are too much trouble, because you'll never be happy, and only spread hate and bile in your wake.

You are exaggering the severity of his claims. You are just attacking his points with condescension. How is it hateful and vile to argue that you are entitled to some content? I think it's ridicilous to say 'he will never be happy' just as it's unfair to say you will gobble anything EA feeds you.

[Dragoonlordz]

stylepoints wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...


When you invest millions of your own money into making your own games, you are quite free do so that for others.

EA and Bioware have the right to decide what they offer as package and rightly so. You as a consumer have the right to decide if that package is acceptable to you and decide if wish to buy or skip maybe even wait for a possible GoTY version or trilogy set few years down the line which contains all DLC and all titles. But demanding, threatening with boycotts or telling them to make it free is crossing the line into entitlement which is not right.

They do have the right to do whatever they want. And if they go down this path it's a poor business decision and they will feel it later. I'm telling them that people really are going to avoid buying this game and future games because of this. It's up to them what to do of course, but someone has to let them know how stupid this is.

To quote Chris, sorry you feel that way as you'll be missing out on a great game. 

They will not lose many customers over this and if everything I have seen is to go by their customer based has radically increased. I think you are putting far too much weight on how many feel the same way as yourself.

[stylepoints]

nexworks wrote...

Trust me, they don't. "Fans" like you are too much trouble, because you'll never be happy, and only spread hate and bile in your wake.

I've been perfectly happy with bioware, I was leading the "EA won't change Bioware!" campaign when they got bought. My favorite game of all time was a Bioware game. I told everyone that mass effect 2 would be a great game. I told everyone (unfortunately) that they were just making combat better in da2, it would still be awesome!

Start milking me for an extra 10 bucks on release via a crucial plot point and that goes out the window.