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[Mann42]

fatalmaverick wrote...

You are exaggering the severity of his claims. You are just attacking his points with condescension. How is it hateful and vile to argue that you are entitled to some content? I think it's ridicilous to say 'he will never be happy' just as it's unfair to say you will gobble anything EA feeds you.

Nobody, and I truly mean nobody, is entitled to anything developed by any video game company.

You're not entitled to tens of thousands of dollars just because you bought the main game. Why do you think you're entitled to tens of thousands of dollars in man hours for extra content? 

You're not. Nobody is. You can pay like everyone else or get out of the way for the people that will. Like me.

[Dragoonlordz]

stylepoints wrote...

Nohvarr wrote...

Ah CD Project, they gave people what they wanted....and had 4.5 MILLION copies of their game pirated for their trouble.....I have no sympathy for gamers after that....I really don't. Had 5.6 million peopl bought copies of the game, you might see some changes in the industry but no....only 1.1 million felt the need to support a developer that gave them free DLC, and no DRM.

A lot of those pirated copies ended up as sales. I know this for a fact. I will be supporting them for future releases because of how well they handled everything. It'll be interesting to see how their console release goes for sure.

I do hope CDPR make vast sales on the console port in fact I pre-ordered the Dark Edition for a friend of mine as well as I own a PC copy of the title myself. But the fact is they did everything they could to gain customer loyalty and they got screwed by piracy just like every single other company even ones who do everything opposite to them. You do not know that as fact at all that made a lot more sales from it, I also spend reasonable amount of time on their forums and taken part on the piracy thread a great deal in past. It is not fact at all.

[stylepoints]

You define crucial plot/story elements developed alongside the game as extra content, I consider it part of my price of admission.

Bioware agrees with you. I don't give Bioware my money. Just summed it up for anyone who was confused.

[fatalmaverick]

nexworks wrote...

fatalmaverick wrote...

You are exaggering the severity of his claims. You are just attacking his points with condescension. How is it hateful and vile to argue that you are entitled to some content? I think it's ridicilous to say 'he will never be happy' just as it's unfair to say you will gobble anything EA feeds you.

Nobody, and I truly mean nobody, is entitled to anything developed by any video game company.

You're not entitled to tens of thousands of dollars just because you bought the main game. Why do you think you're entitled to tens of thousands of dollars in man hours for extra content? 

You're not. Nobody is. You can pay like everyone else or get out of the way for the people that will. Like me.

That's a very elitist attitude. This is the very attitude the companies feed off of in order to make a buck. If you feel like you are entitled to a piece of main plot driven material because you have $10 extra you are mistaken. Sure, I have the money, but this is about principle. Some people may not have the money and should not miss out on something important to the game because they don't, the retail price is set for a reason. If this was superfulous DLC this would be an entirely different story.

[Nohvarr]

stylepoints wrote...

You define crucial plot/story elements developed alongside the game as extra content, I consider it part of my price of admission.

Bioware agrees with you. I don't give Bioware my money. Just summed it up for anyone who was confused.

From Hudson

Hudson took to Twitter a little earlier today to set the record straight and let gamers in on a few bits of behind-the-scenes game development details - here’s the science straight from Hudson to your eyes:
“It takes about 3 months from “content complete” to bug-fix, certify, manufacture, and ship game discs. In that time we work on DLC.”
“On [Mass Effect 3], content creators completed the game in January & moved onto the “From Ashes” DLC, free w/ the [Collector’s Edition] or you can buy seperately.”
“DLC has fast [certification] and no [manufacturing]., so if a team works very hard, they can get a DLC done in time to enjoy it with your 1st playthrough on day 1.”

Modifié par Nohvarr, 24 février 2012 - 01:41 .

[pavi132]

It will be negligible. If it is anything more than negligible, they will blame piracy.

[stylepoints]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I do hope CDPR make vast sales on the console port in fact I pre-ordered the Dark Edition for a friend of mine as well as I own a PC copy of the title myself. But the fact is they did everything they could to gain customer loyalty and they got screwed by piracy just like every single other company even ones who do everything opposite to them. You do not know that as fact at all that made a lot more sales from it, I also spend reasonable amount of time on their forums and taken part on the piracy thread a great deal in past. It is not fact at all.

I know of at least 8 copies that got bought off of steam because of piracy, sales that would have never been made because nobody had heard of CDPRthe witcher before.

Just because someone pirates a game doesn't mean they would have bought it if not for piracy. Just curious people checking it out. This is completely off topic though. The point is CDPR is going to grow it's loyal fanbase by a ton just from their customer service, something EA/Bioware should emulate.

[Nohvarr]

stylepoints wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I do hope CDPR make vast sales on the console port in fact I pre-ordered the Dark Edition for a friend of mine as well as I own a PC copy of the title myself. But the fact is they did everything they could to gain customer loyalty and they got screwed by piracy just like every single other company even ones who do everything opposite to them. You do not know that as fact at all that made a lot more sales from it, I also spend reasonable amount of time on their forums and taken part on the piracy thread a great deal in past. It is not fact at all.

I know of at least 8 copies that got bought off of steam because of piracy, sales that would have never been made because nobody had heard of CDPRthe witcher before.

Just because someone pirates a game doesn't mean they would have bought it if not for piracy. Just curious people checking it out. This is completely off topic though. The point is CDPR is going to grow it's loyal fanbase by a ton just from their customer service, something EA/Bioware should emulate.

So out of 4.5 MILLION people...you can confirm that 8 people bought a copy.....

[Dragoonlordz]

stylepoints wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I do hope CDPR make vast sales on the console port in fact I pre-ordered the Dark Edition for a friend of mine as well as I own a PC copy of the title myself. But the fact is they did everything they could to gain customer loyalty and they got screwed by piracy just like every single other company even ones who do everything opposite to them. You do not know that as fact at all that made a lot more sales from it, I also spend reasonable amount of time on their forums and taken part on the piracy thread a great deal in past. It is not fact at all.

I know of at least 8 copies that got bought off of steam because of piracy, sales that would have never been made because nobody had heard of CDPRthe witcher before.

Just because someone pirates a game doesn't mean they would have bought it if not for piracy. Just curious people checking it out. This is completely off topic though. The point is CDPR is going to grow it's loyal fanbase by a ton just from their customer service, something EA/Bioware should emulate.

I like CDPR as much as next guy but don't kid yourself here in that customer base grows rapidly for companies that have more products on offer. EA and Bioware has vast amounts more fans if count across all their product ranges.

CDPR cannot achieve that same level because their amount of products on offer is much smaller.

[stylepoints]

Nohvarr wrote...

Hudson took to Twitter a little earlier today to set the record straight and let gamers in on a few bits of behind-the-scenes game development details - here’s the science straight from Hudson to your eyes:
“It takes about 3 months from “content complete” to bug-fix, certify, manufacture, and ship game discs. In that time we work on DLC.”
“On [Mass Effect 3], content creators completed the game in January & moved onto the “From Ashes” DLC, free w/ the [Collector’s Edition] or you can buy seperately.”
“DLC has fast [certification] and no [manufacturing]., so if a team works very hard, they can get a DLC done in time to enjoy it with your 1st playthrough on day 1.”

See, you actually believe them. They had this planned a long time ago, this isn't something they threw together in 3 months, and it's something they were working on including for at least 7? months, whenever they announced the CE, and the leaked files had him included. Just because they put it at the end of their timeline doesn't make it "fluff." It's a crucial plot/lore point that they happened to plan to release on day 1 for 10 dollars.

[Stanley Woo]

Discussion of software piracy is not welcome here.

Discussion of the From Ashes DLC is being had in the Sticky thread at the top of the forum.

End of line.