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[Jynthor]

Seboist wrote...

Grayson should be thankful his body was used for the benefit of humanity and not riddled with bullets and thrown in a ditch. Although either one would have been merciful compared to what my femshep would have done to that treasonous lowlife son of a ****.

She would have pulled a Radovid?

[Seboist]

Jynthor wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Grayson should be thankful his body was used for the benefit of humanity and not riddled with bullets and thrown in a ditch. Although either one would have been merciful compared to what my femshep would have done to that treasonous lowlife son of a ****.

She would have pulled a Radovid?

Yep and a Roche.

[Jynthor]

Seboist wrote...

Jynthor wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Grayson should be thankful his body was used for the benefit of humanity and not riddled with bullets and thrown in a ditch. Although either one would have been merciful compared to what my femshep would have done to that treasonous lowlife son of a ****.

She would have pulled a Radovid?

Yep and a Roche.

I sided with Iorveth so I never saw too much Roche action.
I now realize I keep siding with "terrorists" Oh god.

[Seboist]

My canon Geralt is Order and Roche path through and through. The Witcher series actually has a viable "human dominance" path unlike ME and that's an

[Blacklash93]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
And that for a game from late 2004, mind you.

Things like story and pacing and emotional impact don't necessarily improve with age in any entertainment industry. Trying to diminish ME3 on the grounds of the gaming industry's age in relation to those things is pretty misguided, as they are not necessarily expected to rise in quality simply because the industry is getting older.

That's like saying stories should universally be getting better in entertainment over time. In truth, the quality of them has been all over the place in history. It depends on the individual(s) making them, as always.

Effects and quality set-piece wise ME3's intro is far superior. The scale of the invasion is conveyed much better. Of course that's all stuff that's expected to improve as gaming ages and development tools improve.

[TheBlackBaron]

Blacklash93 wrote...
Effects and quality set-piece wise ME3's intro is far superior. The scale of the invasion is conveyed much better. Of course that's all stuff that's expected to improve as gaming ages and development tools improve.

Mmm, gonna have to agree here. Mind you, I felt the intro was a bit underwhelming as well - they had a good atmosphere building up at the beginning, with the conversation between Hackett and Anderson, but they failed to capitalize on it. 

But the Covenant's invasion in Halo 2? We don't even see it for the most part. There's some fighting on Cairo, you see Malta get blown up, Chief pulls off one of his more ridiculous stunts by dropping the bomb back off on the Covenant carrier...and that's it. Next mission up, and you're already on Earth, and they're already there doing their thing. 

Poor example to choose, Kaiser (imo). 

[GodWood]

Dave of Canada wrote...
Getting sick and tired of seeing "tim is a reaper! i knew it all along" or "tim is indoctrinated! i knew it all along".

Just think, post-ME3 they'll still be saying it.

[Ultai]

Dave of Canada wrote...

What have they done to you D:

I guess it's just the angle of the shot or lighting, but he seems to be lacking his eye glow.

[Seboist]

Art of a Cerberus investor



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[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Ultai wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

What have they done to you D:

I guess it's just the angle of the shot or lighting, but he seems to be lacking his eye glow.

He's just been ME3'd!

[Seboist]

Good series of posts from RPG Codex on the superiority of the Blazblue story over ME and DA's.

Link

Modifié par Seboist, 28 février 2012 - 05:11 .

[Blacklash93]

Seboist wrote...

Good series of posts from RPG Codex on the superiority of the Blazblue story over ME and DA's.

Link

Anything to diminish ME3, am I right? You've made it like your job here and they should be paying you at this point.

ME definitely has some holes, but they're tolerable. I found it rather unrealistic that they'd believe Shepard right from the get-go after Sovereign was killed. Things like aesthetic similarities between Geth ships and Sovy would cause some questions. That and denial of inevitable destruction always comes before acceptance. It really felt like the Council was just sucking up to Shepard because he saved them. Human council I don't see being any different. Udina never said he didn't believe the Repears existed in ME2 so there's no contradiction there.

DA is still fairly solid I'd say, however. Some stuff in Kirkwall didn't make sense, but it's in Kirkwall and only there thankfully. DA2 was also a rushed mess, causing a lot of those problems, and I wouldn't cast judgement on the future of the series based on that.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 28 février 2012 - 06:00 .

[Seboist]

What's comical is that despite Bioware's efforts to come up with all this lore the main stories of these games still ends up being no more complex than something out of an NES Final Fantasy. Even more, regardless if it's sci-fi or fantasy it STILL amounts to little more than "ancient big bad wants to destroy everything".

[Blacklash93]

Okay guys, you were right. Unless Xoi in the spoiler group is the most epic troll ever, you were right about ME3's story being an unsatisfying disappointment.

The revelation in the ending brings up so many holes and contradictions regarding how the Reapers operate that I'm actually embarrassed for the writers. They either need to improve their structure or Bioware just needs to replace the ME writing staff. Or both. It's just shameful.

[Dave of Canada]

The endings for the script seem to simply be the same problem as I had with Renegade, an unsatisfying and unrewarding experience for the finale of the trilogy. I'm a fan of bittersweet, I don't mind it but the entire experience is extremely punishing when you're constantly punished for your decisions with no "good" throughout the trilogy, it gets really tiresome. As long as there's some benefit to being Renegade, I wouldn't mind seeing worlds burn.

How does the "epic trilogy" boil down when you've finished? You're forced to constantly be called stupid, people question everything you do and you receive less assets than the Paragon alternative. It was overly unsatisfying, the endings seem to only nail the coffin shut.

The only difference is it's unsatisfying for everybody and their mother now, it doesn't seem to be pleasing any sect. The Paragon will receive more friends and allies than the Renegade, though it means nothing because in the end they'll die just like us (or be trapped in the Citadel for eternity).

They're trying too hard to be "edgy" with the "conclusive" endings that it ends up screwing everybody, don't even need to talk about ME2 LIs. The Renegade ending is just as ****ty, if not worse, than the Paragon or neutral ending. There's just no point.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 28 février 2012 - 06:59 .

[GodWood]

I'm not 100% aware of the details of the endings but I can certainly say I love the concept behind them.

I've always been a sucker for tragic, gut-punch endings that completely destroy the protaganist, and the fact that all the people who have said "suck it up" to all of my issues with the plot are suffering is just the cherry on top!

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I love how (if certain spoilers are true) utterly pointless TIM's plan is in hindsight during ME3.

Just feels like Bioware is adding one finale insult to TIM's character, and the renegade choice.

GodWood wrote...

I'm not 100% aware of the details of the endings but I can certainly say I love the concept behind them.

I've
always been a sucker for tragic, gut-punch endings that completely
destroy the protaganist, and the fact that all the people who have said
"suck it up" to all of my issues with the plot are suffering is just the
cherry on top!

I hate the endings.

Not because of the choices themselves (aside from the renegade ending if certain things are correct) or what happens to Shepard. But because of that pointless event that befalls on the Normandy and its crew at the end, something only added to remove all the sweet from the bittersweet ending.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 28 février 2012 - 08:32 .

[Ultai]

The forums are going to be amazing on release week if that flashback bug is true among other things.

[John Renegade]

I'm not any more pissed off about the endings, than I was pissed about the story of ME3 so far - basically the same reasons Dave and GodWood mentioned.

That said, my ideal list of endings would contain anything from 'Reapers won' to '(hopefully) brighter tomorrows, but with various issues present'. In other words, the type of ending not present would be the 'everyone is happy' ending.

The other thing those endings would be is 'realistic'. That means two things: They would be realistic from the perspective of the storyline (politics, character behavior,...), but they would also be realistic from the perspective of lore (the ending would be cohesive with how the technology works and what is possible or impossible in ME universe in general).

P.S.: If you haven't, you should really read Renegade Reinterpretations - a great fanfiction with various believable endings.

And yes, I'm talking to Paragons as well, this story is worth your time - trust me.

Modifié par John Renegade, 28 février 2012 - 08:50 .

[Seboist]

Good series of posts from the Codexian "Seboist" about all the butthurt reactions due to the endings from the spoilers group.

Link

Modifié par Seboist, 28 février 2012 - 09:57 .

[Seboist]

Lizardviking wrote...

I love how (if certain spoilers are true) utterly pointless TIM's plan is in hindsight during ME3.

Just feels like Bioware is adding one finale insult to TIM's character, and the renegade choice.

GodWood wrote...

I'm not 100% aware of the details of the endings but I can certainly say I love the concept behind them.

I've
always been a sucker for tragic, gut-punch endings that completely
destroy the protaganist, and the fact that all the people who have said
"suck it up" to all of my issues with the plot are suffering is just the
cherry on top!

I hate the endings.

Not because of the choices themselves (aside from the renegade ending if certain things are correct) or what happens to Shepard. But because of that pointless event that befalls on the Normandy and its crew at the end, something only added to remove all the sweet from the bittersweet ending.

I wouldn't expect anything less from BW at this point but it's nice knowing that most of these anti-TIM/Cerberus/Renegade jack offs will have their Shepards and their virtual waifus/husbandus die soon after he does.

Modifié par Seboist, 28 février 2012 - 10:02 .