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[Someone With Mass]

There's nothing that states that those statues were Prothean before Javik came up with the explanation, so...I really can't see why everyone's whining about retcon. Unless they don't know the proper meaning of the word, which is a very strong possibility on this forum.

The visions? They were meant to guide other Protheans to Ilos. Of course they're going to include the statues. The Protheans also have that ability to sense those who have been in certain places, like with Javik and Grunt. There's a possibility that resonance or whatever of the inusannon was included in the message so other Protheans would know where to look on Ilos, since that ability is as natural as breathing to them.

I'm also glad that the Protheans looked a bit like the Collectors, because those statues were just fugly.

[macrocarl]

Not a retcon! Sorry OP

[Zartarc]

I think these statues are not protheans but inusannon, the race that inhabitated Illos before the protheans.

[Legion of 1337]

The Codex uses the top pic for the Protheans, because everyone just assumes that they must have made those statues and they must be of themselves.

In ME1, I don't think any real thought was put into what the Protheans looked like. So when they put those statues in (which they could easily have not done, avoiding the confusion), they had to retcon it and clarify that the statues weren't of Protheans. So it's still not explicitly stated what they depict, though the new assumption is that they are Innusannon.

[Outlawstar15a2]

Well the second and thrid pics are explained the second is what the Protheans came to look like when transformed into the Collectors and the thrid is Javik the last living pure Prothean. The first I remember ME1 saying it was based on a species interpretation of what Protheans would look like. Something like that.

[Fixers0]

 The art of the Mass Effect Universe (artbook) does indeed confirm that these statues were supposed to depict protheans, and the title of the statue in Donovan Hock's also reads ''prothean statue'', so yeah it is indeed a rather sloppy Retcon.

[RenegadeXV]

Fixers0 wrote...

 The art of the Mass Effect Universe (artbook) does indeed confirm that these statues were supposed to depict protheans, and the title of the statue in Donovan Hock's also reads ''prothean statue'', so yeah it is indeed a rather sloppy Retcon.

Not really. Javik stated that there were many "subservient races" that called themselves "Prothean." It can then be reasoned that the statues depict one of these races.

Also, there is no information gained that states that the Inusannon are the race depicted on the Illos statues. Javik states that the Inusannon colonised the world before the Protheans. He never mentions that the statues are of the Inusannon.

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[Ace of Dawn]

COGNiTiON 1 wrote...

Not really. Javik stated that there were many "subservient races" that called themselves "Prothean." It can then be reasoned that the statues depict one of these races.

Pretty much this. The statues on Ilos were Prothean, in the sense that all species that were joined with the Protheans were also called Protheans.

Javik is a true Prothean.

All else were Prothean in name. But we did not have the information necessary to truly grasp that. No a retcon so much as clarification.

[BlessedSoldier]

EastSideryda wrote...

Retcon?

The Answer To All Questions.

[Lime The Dragon]

What's the best part about necroing a 5-month old thread?

Absolutely nothing.

[PlatonicWaffles]

I always thought the images in the codex were an Artist's Impression of a Prothean based upon the statues on Ilos.

[Zaidra]

1. They never said that the statues were protheans.

2. They based the prothean look off of the collectors. Deal with it.

[N1GHTHeR0]

Not sure if this has already been posted but, Javik said other races who joined the empire started to also call themselves Prothean, so it's possible that that picture from ME1 is a different race.

[fulcrum290]

Y' people need to tighten up.

Of course TEH Protheans could be a COALITION of Several Races together.

Never in Sci-fi history could someone came up with the idea.

Look up how empires emerged and developed throughout human history.

The Protheans ran an EMPIRE ! , so they had a concept of CITIZENSHIPS. Is mathematically impossible for many SPECIES to breed in such quantitative number that could inhibitive and ruled the entire Milky Way.

The simplest solution is to enlisting those you have already subjugated for various services.

By the time Javik the Trolltean fought the Reapers, all the original Protheans might ended up dead already ( even before the Reapers invaded). Javik people would be the the equivalent to Frankish Kingdom after West Rome cease to exist

Think of the Roman Empire, how many original *Romans* were left the years 400 A.D ?

[M920CAIN]

jasonxxsatanna wrote...

 I know this has been talk about before during ME2's time . . . .but please can someone explain to me how prothean
images from ME1 show them as looking like this :



We know from ME2 that the Reapers altered the appearence and DNA of the Protheans. . . so you get what is the collectors :


So now in ME3 we find that the DLC is a Prothean which looks like:


So the question is how  did they go from the top pic to the bottom pic . . . ? :blink:

The first picture isn't a representation of a prothean. I believe Javik says this too at one point. The 2nd picture is BIoware imagination gone wild as in what's scary? answer: alien that looks like a bug! because people don't like bugs, and for ME3 DLC they fine tuned Javik to look like a collector so we'd have no doubts about the Prothean-Collector revelation experienced on the Collector Ship in ME2.

[Han Shot First]

Zaidra wrote...

1. They never said that the statues were protheans.

2. They based the prothean look off of the collectors. Deal with it.

Actually, they did.

The Ilos statues were originally supposed to be representations of the Protheans, and it was confirmed in the art book. In addition to the that, the beings Shepard sees being slaughtered in the beacon visions also resemble the statues. The squid faces were originally supposed to be Protheans.

As such, Javik's appearance in ME3 is indeed a retcon of the Protheans.

That being said I think it is a retcon that isn't a big deal. Javik's dialogue about Ilos originally being an Inusannon world gives an explanation as to why the statues don't look like Protheans. That still creates an issue with the visions, but the images in the vision were vague outlines of people and didn't have a lot of details. You could probably explain that as the visions not being entirely clear to a human mind.

[MarchWaltz]

Not a retcon. Javik said it was a diff species on that planet.

[Toxic Waste]

Going to use Star Wars as an example.

When making SW IV Lucas had filmed a scene with Jabba the Hutt using a short, fat Irish guy. This was before he knew what Jabba would look like. His plan was when he finally did figure out what Jabba looked like he would simply superimpose the new Jabba over the old one. SW VI came out and he knew what Jabba looked like, but didn't have the right tech to do what he planned.

Fast forward a couple of decades and he finally developed the tech and came out with SW IV revised.

Another example is Star Trek. The original series had Klingons without ridges on the forehead. TNG had them with ridges. Gene R. explination was he had more money for makeup in TNG then he ever had in TOS.

So to answer the question, Because...that's why.

[SCJ90]

Would be a living hell trying to do the original ME1 Prothy a squad mate, they look like a damn husk

Modifié par SCJ90, 28 août 2012 - 09:18 .

[SCJ90]

[quote]SCJ90 wrote...
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Modifié par SCJ90, 28 août 2012 - 09:18 .

[Evo_9]

Does anyone know why they decided to retcon the protheans?

[Nicksta92]

The ME1 image could be one of the races that the Prothean civilization was built off of. There are numerous extinct species mentioned throughout the trilogy, many of which interacted with the Protheans. i believe that top pic is one of them

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Fixers0 wrote...

 The art of the Mass Effect Universe (artbook) does indeed confirm that these statues were supposed to depict protheans, and the title of the statue in Donovan Hock's also reads ''prothean statue'', so yeah it is indeed a rather sloppy Retcon.

Certainly, assuming we include artbooks as canon. Personally, I think artbooks are down there with twitter feeds in regards to establishing the canon of the ME universe.

And with regards to Donovan Hock, he doesn't know anymore about what a Prothean is than we do. As a Human, I could worship a statue of a dog. It doesn't mean that civilizations down the line would be right in thinking that dogs were the leading species of the galaxy.

[Sejborg]

It's quite simple actually. They are not Prothean. They are Protoss. Protoss claiming to be Prothean.

[Skilliau]

all races in the empire began calling themselevs "Prothean" in the end.

Javik himself says that