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[Escapulario100]

Here are my two theories:

1- The statue represents a god or deity in the prothean mythology
2- Maybe the statue represents a species that exist before the protheans

[Crimson-Engage]

First image is nothing more than a human husk. How retarded do you have to be not to see that?

[BentOrgy]

BlahDog wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

BlahDog wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

BlahDog wrote...

The human mind can do crazy things to fill in gaps.

And...?

No, really, explain.

It's a vision, at some point it went through the brain. Since it was such a sudden and violent hallucination, the brain may have crossed a few wires.

Yeah, but my example was with Mordin, even if they didn't look like the squid face alien, how did they knew how a Collector looks like? And the picture looks pretty clear, that gives enough room to think that it wasn't a "fill".

They didn't, you did. Your mind could have slipped it in there by accident.

@BentOrgy
New races could have evolved so that certain mental triggers were never activated. The cipher could have just turned on these triggers allowing for higher mental ability (or at least a subroutine that allows understanding of the protheans)

You do realize that it would take thousands of years for them to "Evolve," to do that, right? Never mind how absolutely ridiculous it would be to do so; considering it would be a lot more sensible to just project the transmissions on a giant screen; like when all the stations are overridden during an emergency today.

And that still doesn't change the fact that there is nothing "Filled in," regarding the visions Their message, and their visuals are very clear: Tentacle-People dying, same Tentacle-People turning into Collectors. There's no room for exscuses, its just too clear.

Modifié par BentOrgy, 24 février 2012 - 04:41 .

[mauro2222]

dreman9999 wrote...

 To awnser your question.....What happened was the samething that happened to Bartarians.

Yup gameplay. They look very thin and their animations must have been a headache.

[Armass81]

dreman9999 wrote...

 To awnser your question.....What happened was the samething that happened to Bartarians.

Except they cant go back to Ilos in ME1 and Hocks vault in ME2 and change those statues and the pictures in the visions, like they did with the batarian codex image... The explanation Javik gives is the only one, tough like I said it is just a contrived and a very convenient loophole to explain the situation away.

In essence: A wizard did it

This is why you shouldnt make up the story as you go along. You really screwed up Bioware....

Modifié par Armass81, 24 février 2012 - 04:50 .

[mauro2222]

Crimson-Engage wrote...

First image is nothing more than a human husk. How retarded do you have to be not to see that?

With tentacles... right. Statues of huskified humans on Ilos.

[BentOrgy]

KproTM wrote...

In the modern-day Mass Effect Universe we have Humans, Asari, Turians, Salarians, Krogan, Batarians, ect. What's to say that 50,000 years ago that the Prothean Empire didn't have a multitude of alien races like they do in the present Mass Effect Universe? Huh?

*Sigh*

We know they did, that's hardly the point. Please read before responding.

[JimmyTheProthean]

Crimson-Engage wrote...

First image is nothing more than a human husk. How retarded do you have to be not to see that?

Human Husk


Their obviously differen't mate.  Prothean Husk
http://t0.gstatic.co...43daGDGdn90Bd4Q

[Megaton_Hope]

You know, humans make all kinds of statues that don't accurately reflect human anatomy, some of which were never intended to in any sense. Idealized concepts about the attributes of the gods, say, work their way into statuary. (How many humans do you know who have a small forest of arms sprouting out of their backs? Crocodile heads?)

Though, honestly, I would not ever make a Prothean a player character, myself. After Ilos I might have a Prothean survivor in the plot, since it's not inconceivable that the scientists who fled to the Citadel would have survived. (These hibernation pods just require a power supply, for example. Or, there's cloning. Or, Protheans could just live an enormously long time - canonically, Asari already do.)

Problem is, having an ancient, technologically advanced Forerunner Alien provide cover fire while I try to capture the flag just seems...I dunno, icky. At least the big reveal in Halo is that the Forerunner Aliens are actually humans. You can get a good laugh out of that.

[looloolooigotsomeapples]

If they're seriously going with unexplained retcon, that's just silly. There are so many rational explanations that don't require retcon for this design, foremost being that the Protheans are a civilization and not a single species. That makes more sense than what has been previously assumed and allows for their collector-like design.

[BentOrgy]

KproTM wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

KproTM wrote...

In the modern-day Mass Effect Universe we have Humans, Asari, Turians, Salarians, Krogan, Batarians, ect. What's to say that 50,000 years ago that the Prothean Empire didn't have a multitude of alien races like they do in the present Mass Effect Universe? Huh?

*Sigh*

We know they did, that's hardly the point. Please read before responding.

But I did. It's just I'm scanning through and seeing many theories, like "the statues were probably Prothean deities" or "they were an alien race before the Protheans came to be". Hell, I think I might as well give in and accept the retcon solution.

Aha, I'm just used to people walking into a thread, half-reading the opening post, and then posting garbage that may or may not have been already covered. Sorry about that.

But accepting a retcon is about the only thing we can do; considering there really is no other feasible explination.

[Armass81]

The explanation they give in the art book about making protheans seem visually ambigous becuase they hadnt decided if they ever introduce them or not doesnt work, if you put in statues that have cthulhu faces and add the same beings in the visions and then change it to something compeletely different afterwards. If anything, they should have not put ANY statues on Ilos and shown only blurred humanoidish figures in the visions. Then it would have worked.

As of now, it is just a poor retcon with a tacked on explanation added afterwards. Should this be called "handwaving" maybe?

Modifié par Armass81, 24 février 2012 - 05:03 .

[BentOrgy]

looloolooigotsomeapples wrote...

If they're seriously going with unexplained retcon, that's just silly. There are so many rational explanations that don't require retcon for this design, foremost being that the Protheans are a civilization and not a single species. That makes more sense than what has been previously assumed and allows for their collector-like design.

But they WERE a single species, that's one of the main problems here. The fact that many of the assmilated races took the name doesn't change that.

And I'd love to hear about these "other," reasons, considering that every logic based theory about their appeance is linked to the Statues on Ilos, and not the Collectors.

@KProTM: Unfortunately for us, it seems that they think that they can.

Modifié par BentOrgy, 24 février 2012 - 04:58 .

[Armass81]

BentOrgy wrote...

looloolooigotsomeapples wrote...

If they're seriously going with unexplained retcon, that's just silly. There are so many rational explanations that don't require retcon for this design, foremost being that the Protheans are a civilization and not a single species. That makes more sense than what has been previously assumed and allows for their collector-like design.

But they WERE a single species, that's one of the main problems here. The fact that many of the assmilated races took the name doesn't change that.

And I'd love to hear about these "other," reasons, considering that every logic based theory about their appeance is linked to the Statues on Ilos, and not the Collectors.

@KProTM: Unfortunately for us, it seems that they think that they can.

Plus this raises the question about a beacon vision and cypher"that was meant for a prothean mind". What prothean? The original race, or all of them? Would the cypher allow Shepard to understand all the prothean races, how does that work?

[daftPirate]

If it was a retcon, thanks goodness for that. I wouldn't have wanted the tentaclely things everyone thought were protheans as a squadmate. Change for the better, says I.

[TenmaTaro]

You know, it could just be abstract art.

[AgitatedLemon]

Because _________.

You can mad-lib the rest.

[BentOrgy]

Armass81 wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

looloolooigotsomeapples wrote...

If they're seriously going with unexplained retcon, that's just silly. There are so many rational explanations that don't require retcon for this design, foremost being that the Protheans are a civilization and not a single species. That makes more sense than what has been previously assumed and allows for their collector-like design.

But they WERE a single species, that's one of the main problems here. The fact that many of the assmilated races took the name doesn't change that.

And I'd love to hear about these "other," reasons, considering that every logic based theory about their appeance is linked to the Statues on Ilos, and not the Collectors.

@KProTM: Unfortunately for us, it seems that they think that they can.

Plus this raises the question about a beacon vision and cypher"that was meant for a prothean mind". What prothean? The original race, or all of them? Would the cypher allow Shepard to understand all the prothean races, how does that work?

Very true, which is why I mentioned it earlier, lol.

It really confuses me; Bioware would be willing to go through all this just to make Prothy look like a Collector? Wouldn't it have been easier to just give the Statue-People a human skeleton, and then pass off the Collector appearence as a Reaper need for sturdier soldiers?

[AtreiyaN7]

Collectors are heavily genetically-modified creations based on the original Protheans. That other thing is pretty clearly a husk (no idea about which race). The question should be whether or not those statues on Ilos are what the original Protheans looked like or if they're something else. The only thing I think it's safe to say is that Collectors probably don't resemble their original Prothean progenitors in any case. Honestly, who knows what the original Protheans look like at this point - I'd say you should try asking Prothy after getting the DLC.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 24 février 2012 - 05:20 .

[Aimi]

Armass81 wrote...

Plus this raises the question about a beacon vision and cypher"that was meant for a prothean mind". What prothean? The original race, or all of them? Would the cypher allow Shepard to understand all the prothean races, how does that work?

The Cipher was stupid regardless of whether the Prothean Empire was comprised of multiple species. 

[BentOrgy]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Collectors are heavily genetically-modified creations based on the original Protheans. That other thing is pretty clearly a husk. The question should be whether or not those statues on Ilos are what the original Protheans looked like or if they're something else. The only thing I think it's safe to say is that Collectors probably don't resemble their original Prothean progenitors in any case. Honestly, who knows what the original Protheans look like at this point - I'd say you should try asking Prothy after getting the DLC.

Its not just the Codex Entry; its everything Prothean related prior to Prothy in ME3. Look around these pages, there's literally dozens of reasons why the True Protheans looked like the Statues, and virtually none that say "Collector."

And we're all but given fact that Prothy is a True Prothean, just based on his conversations with Shepard regarding the other races during his time.

@daqs: Stupid is a matter of opinion, considering I found it interesting, and it doesn't stop it from being fact, and contridicting what ME3 is now telling us.

Modifié par BentOrgy, 24 février 2012 - 05:20 .

[Armass81]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Collectors are heavily genetically-modified creations based on the original Protheans. That other thing is pretty clearly a husk. The question should be whether or not those statues on Ilos are what the original Protheans looked like or if they're something else. The only thing I think it's safe to say is that Collectors probably don't resemble their original Prothean progenitors in any case. Honestly, who knows what the original Protheans look like at this point - I'd say you should try asking Prothy after getting the DLC.

They look like this, now.

Since i read that the DLC and ultimately, Javik was created by another team, I have to wonder, did Casey or Mac give them any notes about the protheans statues and visions, anything at all, or did they just not care and said "go ahead, make stuff up. Fans will buy it anyway."...? Like with Deception... Something is wrong with the picture here. Really really wrong...

And yeah I know it and ill say it, Smudboy is going to have a field day with this one.

Modifié par Armass81, 24 février 2012 - 05:32 .