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[deadshame]

I like the "new" protheans more than the stupid looking human husk with tentacles coming out of it's mouth.

[phimseto]

Cody211282 wrote...

EastSideryda wrote...

Retcon?

Worked for Dragon Age.

Alright, I have to ask - what was the retcon in DA???

Modifié par phimseto, 24 février 2012 - 08:42 .

[v0rt3x22]

Where is the picture from in the first post anyway? Did they release more info? I can't find it.

[MaleQuariansFTW]

I never liked how the transformation of Prothean to Collector went from long gangly beings with tentacle beards to an insectoid creature with four eyes and an elongated curved head. And since it was never stated that the statues were what Protheans looked like, I'm glad they redesigned their look.

Modifié par MaleQuariansFTW, 24 février 2012 - 08:45 .

[NNC FROSTY]

mauro2222 wrote...

Alex06 wrote...

GodWood wrote...


It's simple. Bioware retconned their appearance.

What's wrong with the head on the alien on the left? It looks like its head got blow off, or at least, a huge chunk of it. Unless that is a huge mouth...Which makes me think it looks like abstract art meant to vaguely represent something alive, not an actual living creature, to be fair.

Your seeing the right side of his head, his actual face is buried in the hip of the other prothean, most likely he is crying.

There where two major races during the reign of the inusannon, maybe its the other race the Thoi'han? Even though both of their empires fought against each other before the reapers how they both came together in the end even though they failed. It seems strangely poetic honestly. 

[Quill74Pen]

Hmm. This isn't the first time Bioware has retconned the appearance of a race in one of its games.

They did the same to the elves and darkspawn in their Dragon Age franchise ... the differences are blazingly obvious from Dragon Age: Origins to Dragon Age 2. I thought the "new" elves weren't half bad, but the "new" darkspawn were a bit, well, cartoony.

Heh. Mass Effect 3 gets the Dragon Age treatment!

Quill74Pen

[Clearly Balkan]

Redditaur wrote...

The top tenticle alien-statue is a race that pre-ceeds the protheans. They aren't the protheans. The second image is a Collector. And the bottom is a Prothean. The reapers enslaved and heavily transformed/mutated the protheans into Collectors. "Prothy" is a true Prothean.

^ This.

[myd00m]

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Prothean



Protheans look like the octopus beard from pirates of the caribbean, freaking forum will not let me post images wtf?

Modifié par myd00m, 24 février 2012 - 09:21 .

[Clearly Balkan]

Durgon Ironfist wrote...

Humans has made statues of dragons, great beasts, gods, Cthulhu esc monsters. You're questioning another species ability to depict something other than themselves? Ohhh btw those where the original inhabitants of Ilos, not the original prothean species.

Agreed. 

[Arppis]

phimseto wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

EastSideryda wrote...

Retcon?

Worked for Dragon Age.

Alright, I have to ask - what was the retcon in DA???

Qunari looks.

[DaJe]

TheOptimist wrote...

jasonxxsatanna wrote...

 I know this has been talk about before during ME2's time . . . .but please can someone explain to me how prothean
images from ME1 show them as looking like this :

I don't remember this ever being stated to be a Prothean...

But it has.

[didymos1120]

DaJe wrote...

But it has.

When?  I mean, I agree that was the implication, but I don't recall it ever being outright stated.

[Nodnol88]

It's obvious a retcon, but I'm fine with that to be honest.

It makes MORE sense that our new Prothean buddy resembles a Collector, as opposed to tentacle faces were the predecessors for the Collectors. I realize that the Collectors have been genetically repurposed, but that's pushing it abit, IMHO.

The statues on Ilos could be easily explained as depicting Prothean Gods, a former race etc etc, but the beacon clearly shows similar creatures. Sure, the beacon was never meant to be seen by a human mind, with or without the Cipher, but there's enough translated to understand what was going on. It's still jumbled and a complete mess, and doesn't really resemble a distress beacon or emergency broadcast. There is obvious leeway here to add in extra details, and I don't mean ME2's pathetic and quite frankly illogical addition of a Collector at the end.

Ok so maybe the Prothean Empire consisted of various races; that's a believable retcon IMHO. However, up until this point were lead to believe that the Protheans were a single species. How can EDI, when Shepard is on the Collector ship, deduce that the Collector's DNA and genetics resemble that of the Prothean's? Given that their quad stranded DNA is apparently unique. Therefore you have to assume that any evidence of the Prothean's, on a generic level, we're the direct ancestors to the Collectors.

I think it's probably realistically retcon-able, because imagine if the tentacle-faced race were the brains behind things, and were less hardy and formidable. Our new Prothean represents the muscle of the empire, and are still intelligent, but are more wide-spread then the other race and thus more commonly known in terms of evidence left behind, IE genetic material. The Reaper's would have little use for the tentacle people, hence Husks, but the hardiness of the other race appeals to them enough that they rewrote them genetically.

"But what about the beacon!?"

If a war kicks off, do you warn the military via state broadcast, or the civilians? Our Prothean buddy probably grabbed the nearest gun and started fighting, whereas the tentacle people, being a more fragile race, were the ones that ran and hid and are depicted in the beacon because they were the ones that needed warning the most.

That's my theory, or at least something that I can go along with. I can understand the retcon, and I'm interested to see why actually is explained. I haven't read any of the leaked scripts do I'm completely in the dark.

Modifié par Nodnol88, 24 février 2012 - 10:01 .

[Armass81]

I can swallow the servant race explanation, but just barely if you dont think about it too deeply. To me, this isnt a retcon on the caliber of thermal clips, cause personally i dont care how a gun shoots, this is something completely different which is why it bothers me so much. How would you feel if in the next ME game they turned the Krogan into sapient bear like creatures or have volus running in with no full helmets on (like in deception) and then try to explain it away with some story?

Ill live with it, but im kinda bitter, and this will definately affect my final score of the franchise that im going to give after playing ME3.

Modifié par Armass81, 24 février 2012 - 10:21 .

[Fogg]

Your squadmate is from the original Prothean race, that conquered other worlds and species, like the one in ME1. They were a galactic empire, like in Star Wars, there are many different species from different planets part of the republic/empire. Your squadmate is an original.

[Shrooomie]

jasonxxsatanna wrote...

 I know this has been talk about before during ME2's time . . . .but please can someone explain to me how prothean
images from ME1 show them as looking like this :



We know from ME2 that the Reapers altered the appearence and DNA of the Protheans. . . so you get what is the collectors :


So now in ME3 we find that the DLC is a Prothean which looks like:


So the question is how  did they go from the top pic to the bottom pic . . . ? :blink:

The first picture are Husks (Humans) not protheans. They are humans (remember all the humans being kidnapped?) that was them but altered. They are mindless drones stripped of power/energy. 
 
The second picture is when you find out that the Collectors used Protheans as a slave race. Genetically altered, they have knowledge but are in "DIRECT CONTROL"

Third picture... i have no idea.

[Matt251287]

Clearly Balkan wrote...

Redditaur wrote...

The top tenticle alien-statue is a race that pre-ceeds the protheans. They aren't the protheans.

^ This.

This... this is why i hate these threads.. ^ You made this up you self-important scumbag of a biodrone.
 

I don't care about the Retcon much anymore, i'm not buying 'From-Ashes' anyway and these threads have been done to death, but people just making up blatant lies to deny the Retcon is just sad to a whole new order.

[VolusvsReaper]

pre order canceled

[mybudgee]

Pre-order can...ahh....nevermind

[Armass81]

Shrooomie wrote...

jasonxxsatanna wrote...

 I know this has been talk about before during ME2's time . . . .but please can someone explain to me how prothean
images from ME1 show them as looking like this :



We know from ME2 that the Reapers altered the appearence and DNA of the Protheans. . . so you get what is the collectors :


So now in ME3 we find that the DLC is a Prothean which looks like:


So the question is how  did they go from the top pic to the bottom pic . . . ? :blink:

The first picture are Husks (Humans) not protheans. They are humans (remember all the humans being kidnapped?) that was them but altered. They are mindless drones stripped of power/energy. 
 

Humans? What the hell are you talking about?

[Shrooomie]

[/quote]
The first picture are Husks (Humans) not protheans. They are humans (remember all the humans being kidnapped?) that was them but altered. They are mindless drones stripped of power/energy. 
 
[/quote]

Humans? What the hell are you talking about?

[/quote]



 Yeah, the Husks where humans taken by soverign.

"Husks[/b] are synthetic "zombies" created from the bodies of organic beings. When a human is captured, they are placed on impaling devices, huge spikes that Alliance marines have nicknamed "dragon's teeth". Over time the body's organs, skin and water content are converted into cybernetic materials; blood is changed to a sickly green fluid, and the body generates an electrical charge."

They arny protheans

[Armass81]

That picture is shown in the prothean codex section. Ilos was likely visited by research teams after ME1 and they found the statues, obviously that would suggest that the galactic scientific community and the makers of the codex thinks theyre prothean. Only theyre not.

Modifié par Armass81, 24 février 2012 - 11:16 .

[Shrooomie]

Armass81 wrote...


That picture is shown in the prothean codex section. Ilos was likely visited by research teams after ME1 and they found the statues, obviously that would suggest that the galactic scientific community and the makers of the codex thinks theyre prothean. Only theyre not.

Hmmm i never saw that...Someone probably didnt flag it in QC! Plus i guess technically they can be husks also if they have humanoid bodies.

[LucidStrike]

I highly doubt there would be statues of human husks on Illos.

Anyway, the similaities between the Collectors and the Prothean are VERY obvious. The head is nearly the same...Am I REALLY the only one who sees that? I only read pages 1 and 8, but not seein' it mentioned was weird. =/