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[Personality Disorder]

People, please, stop making things up. Why do you do this and word your baseless theories as facts is a mystery to me.

The appearance of the prothean in ME3 is a visual retcon of sorts and not a big one at that, but it is. Here is what is stated in THE ART OF THE MASS EFFECT UNIVERSE artbook:

"The Prothean statues on Ilos in the original Mass Effect were visually ambiguous, because we were never sure how much of the Protheans we would show over the course of the trilogy. By the time Mass Effect 3 came around, we knew that the Collectors were Prothean victims of the Reapers. the look of the Collectors influenced how we created the Prothen squad member."

Read this and stop spreading nonsense.

[Fogg]

What I said comes from the leaked script and is how Prothy will explain it to Shep in the game

[Ianamus]

If it bothers you that much then just tell yourself that the statues were not made to depict protheans, but some mythological creature or such (Not all of our statues are humans after all).

[kongenial]

Wait, let me get this straight. We KNOW how a prothean looked like, because of the picture in the Codex and with the statues on Ilos. Now they introduce a prothean squadmade that was in stasis for 50.000 years before the extinction of most of the protheans and before the genetic re-engineering by the Reapers.

Now they say "Hey, because the Collectors/Protheans looked liked that in ME2 we make him that way". Seriously? I expected some strange tentacle-wearing thing like the statues on Ilos and not a Prothean, that seem to be a copy-paste from the ME2 Collectors.

Another reason why I think this DLC is just ridiculous. Ah well, just my two cents.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Makes me a little sad that they retconned the tentacle beasts; the design is more interesting than the Collector inspiration. Probably'd animate horribly, though.

[Fogg]

Actually there is a picture of both Protheans together

[Shrooomie]

Schrijver wrote...

Actually there is a picture of both Protheans together

HAHAHAHHA

[Personality Disorder]

Arcian wrote...

Yes, the statues were originally intended to be protheans, but just like you exemplified, that was changed. A retcon doesn't HAVE to go unexplained.

You are right, and the fact that they are trying to explain this ingame is absolutely fine. It can only be viewed as a retcon using the logic of the player and the developer, i.e. an outsider. Within the mass effect universe, however, this apparently gets clarified and the initial statement was presented vaguely enough, I suppose.
What I'm trying to say is that this is a retcon, but not the one that would be evident using the ingame logic. No big deal.

[Shermos]

There's an explanation in the leaked script. Suffice to say, the statues on Illos are not Prothean. They are from one of the races which came before them.

[LOLandStuff]

Because a very large empire spread out all over the galaxy has one single race: the statues on Ilos.
That's like saying all asians are yellow and have small eyes and africans are all black.

Modifié par LOLandStuff, 24 février 2012 - 12:01 .

[Taradil]

Schrijver wrote...

Actually there is a picture of both Protheans together

Hahahah, you sir win the internet!

[What a Succulent Ass]

That's like saying all asians are yellow and have small eyes and africans are all black.

Not really.

Not at all, actually.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 24 février 2012 - 12:03 .

[Simiancustard]

@OP Same reason that the Qunari in Dragon Age, went from merely incredibly tall grey humans to freaky horned guys in DA2...

[What a Succulent Ass]

...And the darkspawn became exploding ninja Skeletors.

[Darkov]

Fairies came in the night and played your mind like a fiddle... that's why the Prothean squad member looks like he does

[CroGamer002]

Arcian wrote...

Personality Disorder wrote...

People, please, stop making things up. Why do you do this and word your baseless theories as facts is a mystery to me.

The appearance of the prothean in ME3 is a visual retcon of sorts and not a big one at that, but it is. Here is what is stated in THE ART OF THE MASS EFFECT UNIVERSE artbook:

"The Prothean statues on Ilos in the original Mass Effect were visually ambiguous, because we were never sure how much of the Protheans we would show over the course of the trilogy. By the time Mass Effect 3 came around, we knew that the Collectors were Prothean victims of the Reapers. the look of the Collectors influenced how we created the Prothen squad member."

Read this and stop spreading nonsense.

Yes, the statues were originally intended to be protheans, but just like you exemplified, that was changed. A retcon doesn't HAVE to go unexplained.

From what is said in the leaks, there are two possibilities for the statues:
1) They resemble Inusannon, the original inhabitants of Ilos.
2) They resemble the Assmiliated Prothean species inhabiting Ilos, not the True Protheans to which the prothean squaddie belongs to.

Also, we haven't seen those statues anywhere outside of Ilos.
Hock's vault doesn't count!

And yet we visited several Protheans world like Eden Prime, Therum, Feros and many more in side quests in ME1 and ME2.

Also in ME1 Codex entry we don't even have Ilos statue for picture, it's some computer instead.


So technically, Bioware never made a retcon.

Ilos statues were just a possibility of their look, nothing more.

[Personality Disorder]

@Mesina, I don't disagree, see my second post.

[Han Shot First]

Lotto wrote...

It was a retcon. No amount of bull**** explanations will change that. Won't stop people from trying..

This. It was a retcon, plain and simple.

It isn't a game-breaking issue for me, it just seems like an odd decision to make. Why change their appearance?

[Sebbe1337o]

The top pic is the race before the protheans (cycle before), but was stated to be the protheans in ME1 and 2 in the codex (that was the pic for it).

In ME3 this is revealed, according to some who read the script.

[Han Shot First]

Sebbe1337o wrote...

The top pic is the race before the protheans (cycle before), but was stated to be the protheans in ME1 and 2 in the codex (that was the pic for it).

In ME3 this is revealed, according to some who read the script.

That explains the statues on Ilos at least. The Protheans may have just build upon the ruins of the past civilization there, and may have come to revere the civilization before them in the same way that the Protheans were admired for supposedly creating the Citadel and Mass Relays.

But it still doesn't explain the visions. Why would Shepard see the past civilization being slaughtered in Prothean visions?

So technically, Bioware never made a retcon.

Ilos statues were just a possibility of their look, nothing more.

Except the Ilos statues weren't the only place we saw the tentacle-faced beings. They were also in the Prothean beacon visions.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 24 février 2012 - 12:42 .

[GnusmasTHX]

Arcian wrote...

Personality Disorder wrote...

People, please, stop making things up. Why do you do this and word your baseless theories as facts is a mystery to me.

The appearance of the prothean in ME3 is a visual retcon of sorts and not a big one at that, but it is. Here is what is stated in THE ART OF THE MASS EFFECT UNIVERSE artbook:

"The Prothean statues on Ilos in the original Mass Effect were visually ambiguous, because we were never sure how much of the Protheans we would show over the course of the trilogy. By the time Mass Effect 3 came around, we knew that the Collectors were Prothean victims of the Reapers. the look of the Collectors influenced how we created the Prothen squad member."

Read this and stop spreading nonsense.

Yes, the statues were originally intended to be protheans, but just like you exemplified, that was changed. A retcon doesn't HAVE to go unexplained.

From what is said in the leaks, there are two possibilities for the statues:
1) They resemble Inusannon, the original inhabitants of Ilos.
2) They resemble the Assmiliated Prothean species inhabiting Ilos, not the True Protheans to which the prothean squaddie belongs to.

Yes. Most, if not all, retcons are explained in-universe.

What BioWare came up with for the sake of, "The Rule of Cool," is still better than, "the Devil did it."

[chengthao]

what are those bug things then? the one on the collector base that Harbinger uses to control the Collectors? is that a genetically modified Prothean or a completely different species?

[Haasth]

Han Shot First wrote...

Lotto wrote...

It was a retcon. No amount of bull**** explanations will change that. Won't stop people from trying..

It isn't a game-breaking issue for me, it just seems like an odd decision to make. Why change their appearance?

It probably made little sense for them to be so vastly different from Collectors. Sure, Reapers modified them endlessly but I doubt they would give them a whole aesthetic overhaul just to look prettier and suddenly make them insectoid. 

The statues were too much like humans I guess and with the introduction of Collectors being former Protheans, Protheans suddenly looking like that would be a little strange. 

chengthao wrote...

what are those bug things then? the one on the collector base that Harbinger uses to control the Collectors? is that a genetically modified Prothean or a completely different species?

 

That is a Collector. Just a different form of Collector. 
(So genetically modified Prothean) 

Modifié par Haasth, 24 février 2012 - 01:19 .