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[Dark Eff3ct]

wisperhill wrote...

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

wisperhill wrote...

garrus is straight

As he should be.

agree even though I'm gay, I will always consider him as a bro and not as a LI

agreed

[JamesMoriarty123]

catabuca wrote...

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Also, I'm pretty sure than Thane is 100% straight. I don't think anyone can start a romance with him in ME3.

Given that Thane had a wife and has a son, I'm defo sure he's straight. He was in love with his woman as well...

Man, Krios was easily one of the best characters in ME2, would love him to be a squadmate in ME3.

Not to start an argument about whether Thane was this, that or anything else, because I don't much care, but I'm reasonably sure that bisexual people are capable of falling in love with someone of the opposite sex, marrying them, and having children with them. Because they are, you know, bisexual. They like both men and women, not just people of the same sex. So "Thane had a wife so there's no way he could be bisexual" isn't in any way logical. Just thought I'd mention that.

Get a grip, dude. More than 9/10 times if a man has prior relationships with a woman, he doesn't all of a sudden turn out to bat for both teams. No, it turns out he's straight.

So give up the goat man, take it for what it is...all of this "Oh well he COULD be Bi!" stuff is just nonsensical. Shepherd COULD only have one knacker as well, but chances are more than good he has 2.

Modifié par JamesMoriarty123, 02 mars 2012 - 09:22 .

[ElitePinecone]

I'm sure you're an expert on drell sexuality, heh.

[Collider]

I'm somewhat glad that Thane didn't turn out to be an option because bisexual guy (andmale love interest in general, see carth syndrome) with dead/past girlfriend would become too frequent.

[Carfax]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

Get a grip, dude. More than 9/10 times if a man has prior relationships with a woman, he doesn't all of a sudden turn out to bat for both teams. No, it turns out he's straight.

So give up the goat man, take it for what it is...all of this "Oh well he COULD be Bi!" stuff is just nonsensical. Shepherd COULD only have one knacker as well, but chances are more than good he has 2.

Didn't you know we're all supposed to be secretly bisexual, and all we're waiting for is the right man or woman to come a long and convince us to hit the switch?

[Kemmer]

Carfax wrote...

Didn't you know we're all supposed to be secretly bisexual, and all we're waiting for is the right man or woman to come a long and convince us to hit the switch?

Actually, your characters can be completely heterosexual.  Your choice.  The S/S options are exactly that, options. This game is full of options. I play a male Shepard.  Other people play a female one.  It doesn't throw me for a loop or have me questioning the masculinity of my character because of what someone else rolled in a game experience/reality completely separate from mine.  The choices you make in your game, whether they be romantic choices, class choices, gender choices, squadmate choices, etc. don't affect my game and vice versa.

Modifié par Kemmer, 02 mars 2012 - 05:32 .

[Carfax]

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Secondly, both Kaidan and Ash were supposed to be homosexual as well as heterosexual depending on YOUR Shepard and YOUR choices.

Actually thats not true.  Neither Kaidan or Ash were originally scripted or written as bisexual.  Instead their primary purpose was to be the opposite sex LI of FemShep and MaleShep respectively.

There was speculation that Kaidan and Ash were intended to be bi based on the fact that Hale voiced the dialogue for an Ashley romance and Meer for a Kaidan romance, but the truth behind this was that both actors merely voiced their opposite sex Shepard's romance dialogues.

There was no specific dialogue recorded or voiced for homosexual relationships with Kaidan or Ashley however, so as far as I'm concerned, Kaidan is being retconned...

[MACharlie1]

Carfax wrote...

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Secondly, both Kaidan and Ash were supposed to be homosexual as well as heterosexual depending on YOUR Shepard and YOUR choices.

Actually thats not true.  Neither Kaidan or Ash were originally scripted or written as bisexual.  Instead their primary purpose was to be the opposite sex LI of FemShep and MaleShep respectively.

There was speculation that Kaidan and Ash were intended to be bi based on the fact that Hale voiced the dialogue for an Ashley romance and Meer for a Kaidan romance, but the truth behind this was that both actors merely voiced their opposite sex Shepard's romance dialogues.

There was no specific dialogue recorded or voiced for homosexual relationships with Kaidan or Ashley however, so as far as I'm concerned, Kaidan is being retconned...

HOWEVER...it was discussed to make them bisexual but the writers didn't like ther way it flowed. 

And I've argued that with the whole stigma of sexuality and change in preferences and all that (and hte fact that I think every single person is bisexual to a certain degree) it really isn't retconning. 

Modifié par MACharlie1, 04 mars 2012 - 08:42 .

[Thargorichiban]

Carfax wrote...

Urdnot Grim wrote...

Secondly, both Kaidan and Ash were supposed to be homosexual as well as heterosexual depending on YOUR Shepard and YOUR choices.

Actually thats not true.  Neither Kaidan or Ash were originally scripted or written as bisexual.  Instead their primary purpose was to be the opposite sex LI of FemShep and MaleShep respectively.

There was speculation that Kaidan and Ash were intended to be bi based on the fact that Hale voiced the dialogue for an Ashley romance and Meer for a Kaidan romance, but the truth behind this was that both actors merely voiced their opposite sex Shepard's romance dialogues.

There was no specific dialogue recorded or voiced for homosexual relationships with Kaidan or Ashley however, so as far as I'm concerned, Kaidan is being retconned...

Actually that's not true. In ME1 they wrote and even recorded dialogue for homosexual relationships with Kaidan and Ashley. They later cut it shortly before the game came out. They were still in the game just waiting to be found, however, which is why you can still hear them on Youtube.

[Carfax]

MACharlie1 wrote...

And I've argued that with the whole stigma of sexuality and change in preferences and all that (and hte fact that I think every single person is bisexual to a certain degree) it really isn't retconning. 

If every single person was bisexual to a degree as you believe, then why has homosexuality been so stigmatized throughout the course of history?

Anyway, Kaidan is Bioware's character so they can do with him as they please.  If they want to make him bisexual, then there's nothing people like me can do about it.

Although in this case I'm not sure Kaidan is actually bisexual, but Shepardsexual.  His sexuality will be driven by the PC, unlike Zevran and Leliana who were real bisexuals.

[Carfax]

Thargorichiban wrote...

Actually that's not true. In ME1 they wrote and even recorded dialogue for homosexual relationships with Kaidan and Ashley. They later cut it shortly before the game came out. They were still in the game just waiting to be found, however, which is why you can still hear them on Youtube.

You've been misinformed.  Like I said, there was no recorded dialogue for homosexual relationships with Kaidan.  What you heard, was Hale voicing MaleShep dialogue and Meer voicing FemShep dialogue.

If you look at the Youtube videos, you'll see that Ashley still refers to FemShep as "Sir," and Kaidan refers to MaleShep as "Ma'am."

[mauro2222]

Carfax wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

And I've argued that with the whole stigma of sexuality and change in preferences and all that (and hte fact that I think every single person is bisexual to a certain degree) it really isn't retconning. 

If every single person was bisexual to a degree as you believe, then why has homosexuality been so stigmatized throughout the course of history?

Well... we are able to see what is sexually attractive in the same gender (though the purpose is likely to be able to see who is the major competitor), so yes we are bisexual to some degree.
And don't even dare to tell me that it's called "appreciation" of some physical qualities.

And to answer your question.

Penis + vagina = sexual pleasure and offspring.
Penis + penis = sexual pleasure.
Vagina + vagina = sexual pleasure.

Modifié par mauro2222, 04 mars 2012 - 09:21 .

[Zkyire]

I personally don't care which characters are heterosexual, bisexual or homosexual, so long as there are friendship paths where you can actually interact with the character without it leading into a romance, or having to reject a romance path.


It's one of the things that irked me most about Jack (though for her character I guess it *kinda* makes sense).

[Arppis]

Zkyire wrote...

I personally don't care which characters are heterosexual, bisexual or homosexual, so long as there are friendship paths where you can actually interact with the character without it leading into a romance, or having to reject a romance path.


It's one of the things that irked me most about Jack (though for her character I guess it *kinda* makes sense).

What irked me about her was the "accident" romance you might trigger just by being friendly. It was pretty silly. It's hilarious when you are being mean to her and every time you talk to her from there on she says: "F***-OFF!!" or something. XD

[Carfax]

mauro2222 wrote...

Well... we are able to see what is sexually attractive in the same gender (though the purpose is likely to be able to see who is the major competitor), so yes we are bisexual to some degree.
And don't even dare to tell me that it's called "appreciation" of some physical qualities.

This might sound strange to you, but it's genuinely possible to admire someone without wanting to jump their bones....  Many studies have shown that both men and women check out members of the same sex, but from a competitive, not lustful perspective.

Half the reason why women over dress (or under dress I should say) themselves is not only to attract men, but to compete with other women for attention.  Men do the same thing, but mostly with material possessions ie cars..

Modifié par Carfax, 04 mars 2012 - 10:51 .

[mauro2222]

Carfax wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Well... we are able to see what is sexually attractive in the same gender (though the purpose is likely to be able to see who is the major competitor), so yes we are bisexual to some degree.
And don't even dare to tell me that it's called "appreciation" of some physical qualities.

This might sound strange to you, but it's genuinely possible to admire someone without wanting to jump their bones....  Many studies have shown that both men and women check out members of the same sex, but from a competitive, not lustful perspective.

Half the reason why women over dress (or under dress I should say) themselves is not only to attract men, but to compete with other women for attention.  Men do the same thing, but mostly with material possessions ie cars..

Please don't take me for stupid, so don't say "This might sound strange to you..." as if I were an ignorant of sexuality or the difference between me and other people.

You completly changed my point for your convinience, I never said lustful way.

In fact you just repeated what I wrote about competition. And those many "studies" also point to the fact that with this "admiration" (wich is stupid considering that they are competing) capability you are able to "see" the attractive things like physionomy, mannerisms, personality and so on... then the brain, to put it in a vague manner, "remembers" who is the target and who is the competitor, to continue with the courting behaviour.

You can apply this to friendship and love.

And you can't use something completly related to culture and learned behaviour as an example.

Modifié par mauro2222, 04 mars 2012 - 11:54 .

[Collider]

False. Leftover dialogue was indeed found and mods edited their save so that male shepards could romance Kaidan. Every public source acknowleges this.

John Shepard is a woman
John Shepard is a princess

Additionally, there is absolutely no dialog in the ME1 files where Kaidan acknowledges a homosexual relationship.
If you mod your game, Kaidan thinks male Shepard is a woman.

[Collider]

Again, there are no actual lines where Ashley or Kaidan acknowledge that they're in a specifically homosexual relationship.

[Collider]

Moreover, Patrick Weekes and another writer have stated that they never intended Ashley or Kaidan to be bisexual.

[Collider]

not that they weren't supposed to be.

Wrong.

http://forums.penny-...Comment_5983794

But to be clear, it was never part of the plan. It was only briefly considered after the lines were recorded, and it was only recorded because it was easier and faster than marking some lines as "Hale only records".