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[GuardianAngel470]

Imortalfalcon wrote...

Don't we need to purchase an Evangelical Permit to talk about this kinda' stuff on the forums, or something?

Be quiet you big stupid jellyfish and go preach somewhere else...

[Moonshadow_Dark]

Imortalfalcon wrote...

Don't we need to purchase an Evangelical Permit to talk about this kinda' stuff on the forums, or something?

Elijah Shepard is not footing the bill for a permit this time.

[foo man chew]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

foo man chew wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

You know I keep seeing this pop up, but I have to ask: Why SHOULD game companies respect you? You never show them any respect.They work hard to give you a great experience and yet the second they do something you don't like, you condemn them and call them monsters. To get respect, you have to give it. And Lord & Master Foamy the Squirrel, the gamers are not giving it at ALL.

Just my 2 credits.

Your opinion is fine but were supposed to respect game companies for trying to make a quick dollar off us.And why do they get put on a pedestal by some gamers.I never here about a teacher,doctor or anybody else that works begging for praise to do their jobs.But thats just my opinion.

We don't put game companies on a pedestal. We just give them credit where credit is due. Bioware made a fantastic game series. They've given us a 4 year long adventure filled with nail biting suspense and heartfelt romance with a side of mind blowing action. So just because they do one thing you don't like, that gives you right to tear them down and ask for thier heads?

Yes its called being a consumer.Its customer feedback.And i agree they make great games but that doesnt mean i have to like everything they do.

[Cody211282]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Imortalfalcon wrote...

Don't we need to purchase an Evangelical Permit to talk about this kinda' stuff on the forums, or something?

Elijah Shepard is not footing the bill for a permit this time.

How that Hanar didn't have 150 credits is beyond me, I found more then that in random objects.

[G3rman]

foo man chew wrote...

G3rman wrote...

foo man chew wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

The Cerberus Network DLC was part of project 10 dollar to stop used game sales, this new DLC is part of project $60+, as in you pay $60 for a game then between $5-$10 3-4 times to get the full story. Basicly it's an easy way to raise the price of the game to around $100 without raising the price of the game.

*rage*

What the f*ck is wrong with you people?

The. Prothean. Is. Not. Im. Por. Tant.

So if its not important then if they took it out of the ce edition you wouldnt care?And remember people who bought the ce edition are getting it for free so you cant use the i already paid for it argument.

Important to the plot.  They added it to the CE as another reward to the fans buying the fan package that is the CE.

People who bought the CE are happy because they bought a cool character, those of us who read the script know that he isn't pivotal to the plot though.  You can live without him.

So buying the game isnt enough?To be a fan now you have to pay extra for a limited edition of a game.I guess if i donate 10 dollars to a charity im not really helping if my neighbor donates 20 dollars.

Who said being a fan made you automatically deserve DLC that was slated to be DLC for over six months?  People who bought CE, fans or no, get the character and other goodies by shelling out $20 bucks compared to normal price.  Those who still want it can pay for the DLC.

Why are you trying to conform to the idea of being a fan?  I'll admit BioWare had a poor choice of words but honestly, buy or don't buy CE or the DLC.  Either way they put labor into the DLC apart from the main game, specifically slating the character for DLC during the main game's production, and expect compensation for it.  Not to mention this is another gimmick to increase revenue from Day 1, but they are a business.

Get off your so-called fan high horse and let your wallet do the speaking for you.

[Raptr569]

HaloXenon wrote...


Day1 DLC indicates that the company is selling us an unfinished product right from the start.
That is wrong. In so many levels it doesn't even fi into scale.

 

Day one DLC is made AFTER the game code has gone gold and is usually made during the time that the game is manufactored for sale (burnt to disk etc.). 

If Bioware for instance included the From Dusk DLC with the game you would then have to wait several more months for the game to be sold as it couldn't go gold until all the content was done, bug tested, gone under quality assurance tests etc.

While it may feel like you're having to pay extra for the full game you really aren't. The full game is on the disk(s) you get in the game box. Additional content isn't created by the manufactorer free, it costs money, game companies aren't charities they are a business.

However, I would safetly assume that developers think about DLC before their product is done and that does imply the feeling that they are asking for an extra money for the last bit of the game. Then again you have to remember that the story is the main game, if the ending was downloadable content, then I think being annoyed would be fair enough but, in the case of From Dusk, it's a character and the game will play the same without it.

Finally, you have to remember that the world (at least the western world) is still in a recession, used game sales are increasing and games manufactorers don't make any money off those. So they have to as a business make plans in case consumers wait for pre-owned games rather than buying the new one.

Just my 2 cents (or 2 pence really, I'm British)

[AkiKishi]

Everyone should get the same digital content on release. Whatever else they throw in the box is upto them.

CE's vary in price depending on what is in them. Catherine was £70 but contained stuff like a pillow,shirt,pizza box etc.


 http://www.amazon.co...30077903&sr=8-3

Modifié par BobSmith101, 24 février 2012 - 10:07 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Cody211282 wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Imortalfalcon wrote...

Don't we need to purchase an Evangelical Permit to talk about this kinda' stuff on the forums, or something?

Elijah Shepard is not footing the bill for a permit this time.

How that Hanar didn't have 150 credits is beyond me, I found more then that in random objects.

Yeah, I found more than that on the merc I just gunned down in the streets.

Oh wait...

[Farbautisonn]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Imortalfalcon wrote...

Don't we need to purchase an Evangelical Permit to talk about this kinda' stuff on the forums, or something?

Be quiet you big stupid jellyfish and go preach somewhere else...

-Want some help with that Mortalfalcon officer?

[Cody211282]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

I'm mostly going off of what they did with ME2, and DA:O, basicly to get the entire story and really finish the game you had to keep paying them for it and honestly I resent being bled like that. Now if it's a side story that comes out 4 or so months later that they wrote and everything after looking at feed back thats fine, or hell weapon DLC is AOK because it doesnt really add anything except for a new way to watch a health meter go down. But

The point isn't that it's extra, it's that they were working on this beforehand and left it out so they could charge people for it later.

You may have a point with Dragon Age, but how is this applicable to ME2? The only "necessary" DLC were LotSB and Arrival, and those came out far far after the game.

Because it's like buying a book and not getting the last 2 chapters, though I will give them credit for using the CN for what it was made for.

As for the last part that was about Day 1 DLC in general.

[Prom001]

It was my understanding that day1 dlc was made by a different Team, so otherwise it wouldnt be in The Game.

That being Said The day1 dlc is Not gamecritically. I dont know why everybody Thinks it is.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

foo man chew wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

foo man chew wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

You know I keep seeing this pop up, but I have to ask: Why SHOULD game companies respect you? You never show them any respect.They work hard to give you a great experience and yet the second they do something you don't like, you condemn them and call them monsters. To get respect, you have to give it. And Lord & Master Foamy the Squirrel, the gamers are not giving it at ALL.

Just my 2 credits.

Your opinion is fine but were supposed to respect game companies for trying to make a quick dollar off us.And why do they get put on a pedestal by some gamers.I never here about a teacher,doctor or anybody else that works begging for praise to do their jobs.But thats just my opinion.

We don't put game companies on a pedestal. We just give them credit where credit is due. Bioware made a fantastic game series. They've given us a 4 year long adventure filled with nail biting suspense and heartfelt romance with a side of mind blowing action. So just because they do one thing you don't like, that gives you right to tear them down and ask for thier heads?

Yes its called being a consumer.Its customer feedback.And i agree they make great games but that doesnt mean i have to like everything they do.

You don't have to. That doesn't mean you can call them greedy jerkwads and demand they do what you want. Customer feedback is one thing. Starting a witch hunt over $10 is taking the Omega-4 Relay and crashing into the Collector base.

[foo man chew]

G3rman wrote...

foo man chew wrote...

G3rman wrote...

foo man chew wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

The Cerberus Network DLC was part of project 10 dollar to stop used game sales, this new DLC is part of project $60+, as in you pay $60 for a game then between $5-$10 3-4 times to get the full story. Basicly it's an easy way to raise the price of the game to around $100 without raising the price of the game.

*rage*

What the f*ck is wrong with you people?

The. Prothean. Is. Not. Im. Por. Tant.

So if its not important then if they took it out of the ce edition you wouldnt care?And remember people who bought the ce edition are getting it for free so you cant use the i already paid for it argument.

Important to the plot.  They added it to the CE as another reward to the fans buying the fan package that is the CE.

People who bought the CE are happy because they bought a cool character, those of us who read the script know that he isn't pivotal to the plot though.  You can live without him.

So buying the game isnt enough?To be a fan now you have to pay extra for a limited edition of a game.I guess if i donate 10 dollars to a charity im not really helping if my neighbor donates 20 dollars.

Who said being a fan made you automatically deserve DLC that was slated to be DLC for over six months?  People who bought CE, fans or no, get the character and other goodies by shelling out $20 bucks compared to normal price.  Those who still want it can pay for the DLC.

Why are you trying to conform to the idea of being a fan?  I'll admit BioWare had a poor choice of words but honestly, buy or don't buy CE or the DLC.  Either way they put labor into the DLC apart from the main game, specifically slating the character for DLC during the main game's production, and expect compensation for it.  Not to mention this is another gimmick to increase revenue from Day 1, but they are a business.

Get off your so-called fan high horse and let your wallet do the speaking for you.

Atleast you can realise this is nothing more then a money making gimmick.I guess i should get off my high horse for expecting a complete product?

[Moonshadow_Dark]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Imortalfalcon wrote...

Don't we need to purchase an Evangelical Permit to talk about this kinda' stuff on the forums, or something?

Elijah Shepard is not footing the bill for a permit this time.

How that Hanar didn't have 150 credits is beyond me, I found more then that in random objects.

Yeah, I found more than that on the merc I just gunned down in the streets.

Oh wait...

Spectres live outside the law!

[Cody211282]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Imortalfalcon wrote...

Don't we need to purchase an Evangelical Permit to talk about this kinda' stuff on the forums, or something?

Elijah Shepard is not footing the bill for a permit this time.

How that Hanar didn't have 150 credits is beyond me, I found more then that in random objects.

Yeah, I found more than that on the merc I just gunned down in the streets.

Oh wait...

Or from those farmers I extorted on Eden Prime......... Why the hell was I made a specter again?

[ElementL09]

Don't put any blame on Bioware, if your going to blame somebody for the way things are in the Game Industry, blame EA (online/offline passes, origin).

[TheBlackBaron]

Cody211282 wrote...

I'm mostly going off of what they did with ME2, and DA:O, basicly to get the entire story and really finish the game you had to keep paying them for it and honestly I resent being bled like that. Now if it's a side story that comes out 4 or so months later that they wrote and everything after looking at feed back thats fine, or hell weapon DLC is AOK because it doesnt really add anything except for a new way to watch a health meter go down. But

The point isn't that it's extra, it's that they were working on this beforehand and left it out so they could charge people for it later.

Yeahno.

Not one single piece of DA:O DLC, save maybe Witch Hunt, could be construed as being remotely important to the game's story. And WH came out a year after the base game and six months after the expansion, mainly because Bioware was trying to placate angry Morrigan fans such as myself and because they wanted to drop in DA2 story hooks that they then chose not to follow up on. There's plenty of evidence that WH itself was originally planned to be another expansion pack that got chopped into a DLC because EA wanted to switch focus to DA2 development. 

ME2? Same damn thing. Zaeed and Kasumi? Can't even remotely be construed as required. Overlord? Irrelevant due to the decision to take Cerberus they way they did for ME3. LotSB and Arrival? Are you really frigging suggesting they made those before the game was released then sat on them for 6+ months? Do you not remember the two month gap between LotSB's annoucement and actual release? 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 24 février 2012 - 10:13 .

[GuardianAngel470]

Cody211282 wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Imortalfalcon wrote...

Don't we need to purchase an Evangelical Permit to talk about this kinda' stuff on the forums, or something?

Elijah Shepard is not footing the bill for a permit this time.

How that Hanar didn't have 150 credits is beyond me, I found more then that in random objects.

Yeah, I found more than that on the merc I just gunned down in the streets.

Oh wait...

Or from those farmers I extorted on Eden Prime......... Why the hell was I made a specter again?

Hell, I got more from scanning those stupid keepers, and anybody can do that!

[G3rman]

It is a complete product for all intents and purposes, the Prothean was totally written in the plot to be unecessary right out of the box. You can skip right over him, just like Kasumi and Zaeed.

If you say otherwise you are just a completionist who wants DLC but thinks it should be free.

People automatically assume that 1. He's prothean so he should be important and 2. Being Day One DLC means he could have been in the game. If you read the script you realize he isn't important in the way people think. And if you understand anything about marketing and how DLC is made you will realize that they do make products of extra content for money, believe it or not.

Whether it be Day 1 or Day 100, ME3 is finished when you get it. Prothean and all other DLC is icing on the already frosted cake, Prothean is just applied the day the cake is bought.

Modifié par G3rman, 24 février 2012 - 10:13 .

[Cody211282]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Because it's like buying a book and not getting the last 2 chapters, though I will give them credit for using the CN for what it was made for.

As for the last part that was about Day 1 DLC in general.

Ah. Well I can certainly understand about LotSB and Arrival, I agree that they shouldn't have done that. I don't buy DLC at all so I'll never play them.

And, for the Day 1 DLC thing, it's like I said: Collector's Edition material (or, as in ME2, new copy material), being expanded to everyone else.

My problem is just Bioware has a history of leaving stuff out so they can sell it later. If anything this should have been included for buying new, like Shale in DA:O, BDTS in ME1, CN in ME2, or TEP in DA2.

[foo man chew]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

foo man chew wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

foo man chew wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

You know I keep seeing this pop up, but I have to ask: Why SHOULD game companies respect you? You never show them any respect.They work hard to give you a great experience and yet the second they do something you don't like, you condemn them and call them monsters. To get respect, you have to give it. And Lord & Master Foamy the Squirrel, the gamers are not giving it at ALL.

Just my 2 credits.

Your opinion is fine but were supposed to respect game companies for trying to make a quick dollar off us.And why do they get put on a pedestal by some gamers.I never here about a teacher,doctor or anybody else that works begging for praise to do their jobs.But thats just my opinion.

We don't put game companies on a pedestal. We just give them credit where credit is due. Bioware made a fantastic game series. They've given us a 4 year long adventure filled with nail biting suspense and heartfelt romance with a side of mind blowing action. So just because they do one thing you don't like, that gives you right to tear them down and ask for thier heads?

Yes its called being a consumer.Its customer feedback.And i agree they make great games but that doesnt mean i have to like everything they do.

You don't have to. That doesn't mean you can call them greedy jerkwads and demand they do what you want. Customer feedback is one thing. Starting a witch hunt over $10 is taking the Omega-4 Relay and crashing into the Collector base.

When did i ever call for a boycott or say bioware was evil i dindnt.All im doing as a right as a consumer is to let them know that im not sattisfied with the way their handling day 1 content.If they had a 500 dollar version of the game and you thought it was worth it thats great its you right.But just because i dont doesnt make my opinion any less valid than yours.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

ElementL09 wrote...

Don't put any blame on Bioware, if your going to blame somebody for the way things are in the Game Industry, blame EA (online/offline passes, origin).

Why don't people blame EA?

Oh that's right, because if they did, they'd lose thier Madden privileges.

Paying $60 for the same football game twice a year is less of a rip off than $10 for a squadmate you don't even need.