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[Hunter of Legends]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

When it doesn't happen to Paragons.

It does happen to Paragons...

Name three Paragon decisions from ME1 to ME2 that were worse in content, forshadowing, or galactic readiness against the Reapers, compared to their Renegade equivalent.

Oh I thought we were talking in context of ME3...

I can only think of two for both of them. The geth and the base.

[Hunter of Legends]

GodWood wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...
L destroyingf a Collector base full of tech to use against Reapers is rather stupid.

That also indoctrinates anyone who goes near it.

Have you forgotten our little discussion?

We don't know if it indoctrinates people. It may, but we have no solid evidence to prove that.

If you played all of ME1 you'd know Dragon's teeth does in fact indoctrinate and dragons teeth are what creates husks. Ergo people would have OBVIOUSLY fallen under reaper control. Saving the base isn't worth it.


As for the fact it was a research base it won't give us much insight into the reapers...again I ask you do you really think the reapers stupid enough to leave "I win" buttons all over the place.

Please.

Modifié par Hunter of Legends, 25 février 2012 - 07:00 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

When it doesn't happen to Paragons.

It does happen to Paragons...

Name three Paragon decisions from ME1 to ME2 that were worse in content, forshadowing, or galactic readiness against the Reapers, compared to their Renegade equivalent.

Oh I thought we were talking in context of ME3...

I can only think of two for both of them. The geth and the base.

The base remains to be seen, but the Geth Virus decision can work out for the better if you've done enough other Paragon things in the Geth-Quarian field. The Heretic Virus is a balance between 'easier peace' and 'overall assets,' with the Paragon getting the higher assets.

Mind you, the ME2 Legion LM was messed up in all sorts of ways regarding P/R...

[Hunter of Legends]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Mind you, the ME2 Legion LM was messed up in all sorts of ways regarding P/R...

Don't get me started

The renegade option though can be justified if renegade. Paragons are gonna have one hell of a time explaining this fact to the Geth in  ME3.

[elearon1]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
It's a pretty inept point, given the lack of an accurate analogy.

The Germany thing wasn't the point, the point was that making him a "likeable" character didn't make my Shep more likely to keep him alive, because hatred doesn't have to be reasonable or rational.

Modifié par elearon1, 25 février 2012 - 07:10 .

[Hunter of Legends]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

When it doesn't happen to Paragons.

It does happen to Paragons...

Name three Paragon decisions from ME1 to ME2 that were worse in content, forshadowing, or galactic readiness against the Reapers, compared to their Renegade equivalent.

Oh I thought we were talking in context of ME3...

I can only think of two for both of them. The geth and the base.

The base remains to be seen, but the Geth Virus decision can work out for the better if you've done enough other Paragon things in the Geth-Quarian field. The Heretic Virus is a balance between 'easier peace' and 'overall assets,' with the Paragon getting the higher assets.

Mind you, the ME2 Legion LM was messed up in all sorts of ways regarding P/R...

You could also add the Rachni...for more deep reasons given how we know understand fully what indoctrination is...and why that makes a paragon rachni save...muddled.

[Paula Deen]

Farbautisonn wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

And I had thought ME2, TIM, Cerberus, the collector base, and all of that good stuff was going to lead up to a lot of "shades of grey" sort of choices.

-Shades of gray is highly subjective. I have a degree in politics behind me and I have studied the history and realpolitik of the world rather intensively. My definition of "Gray" would likely be "pitch black" for alot of people.

Mostly because people lead swaddled lives. We are so used to the "white" that when we see gray we think its "black". Most people havent got a bastard clue how "black" the world can be.

Nice job with the whole ignorance/arrogance attitude.

Most people know how "black" the world can be. Seriously, how could they not? It's freaking everywhere, on the news, on prime-time TV shows, on the streets with the homeless and people trying to get people to stop and donate to non-profits dedicated to ending human trafficking and genocide.

In reality, the "good" side of humanity isn't nearly as prevalent or appreciated. We just expect everyone to be great people, and thus we're so often dissapointed.

[Dean_the_Young]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Mind you, the ME2 Legion LM was messed up in all sorts of ways regarding P/R...

Don't get me started

The renegade option though can be justified if renegade. Paragons are gonna have one hell of a time explaining this fact to the Geth in  ME3.

Considering that the entire mission had had the dialogues supporting the other option throughout...

[Dean_the_Young]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

You could also add the Rachni...for more deep reasons given how we know understand fully what indoctrination is...and why that makes a paragon rachni save...muddled.

The Rachni Queen is friendly and will help you.

[NNC FROSTY]

I'm a Paragon and I have never had a pure paragon play through, I always make renegade choices here and there, like destroying the heretic geth.

[Hunter of Legends]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

You could also add the Rachni...for more deep reasons given how we know understand fully what indoctrination is...and why that makes a paragon rachni save...muddled.

The Rachni Queen is friendly and will help you.

I don't know if you read the script but...

I will say no more. Paragons are gonna get their hand bitten in ME3 if they don't actually make smart and correct choice.

Blind optimism WON'T work 100% this time around.

Modifié par Hunter of Legends, 25 février 2012 - 07:32 .

[Ghost Yeti]

Again................really.............. oh my god .

[phimseto]

Well...to hear it from some folks, I am already disappointed to learn that bioware has seemingly done its best to filter any decision to roughly the same end. Thats underwhelming.

[Farbautisonn]

Well... Successfull cunning "Lawfull Evil" is pretty much indistinguishable from "Lawfull good"... if its done right.

[Gruzmog]

I wonder what happens when you did not do the Geth quest at all though.. On my second Shep I wanted to safe the crew so went in right after them. both Legion and Jack kicked the bucket. I can travel to the location for the heretic station but there is nothing there. Wonder how thats gonna work out

[DovahCLEAN]

Oh well whatever you say renegades, i'll be kicking ass with my multi species army

[Gruzmog]

DovahCLEAN wrote...

Oh well whatever you say renegades, i'll be kicking ass with my multi species army

Or the Geth wipe out the quarians after the quarian foolhardedly attack a geth you helped uniify as a paragon

[Farbautisonn]

Paula Deen wrote...

Nice job with the whole ignorance/arrogance attitude.

-Thanks. Now was there something specific you wanted to address by pointing that out or were you merely practizing your typing? 

Most people know how "black" the world can be. Seriously, how could they not? It's freaking everywhere, on the news, on prime-time TV shows, on the streets with the homeless and people trying to get people to stop and donate to non-profits dedicated to ending human trafficking and genocide.

-LOL. Thats the extent of your imagination? The extent of what you think is the "black"? I pity you. And I envy you. Your world is so white that you can buy absolution by donating 10 bucks at the teleton. 10 bucks  toward the homeless and ending human trafficking, go out and invite the family out for a 300 doller meal with wine at the local Reef and Beef? So you can rub your nipples in pharisaic selfrighchios zealotry over the good you did? You havent got a bastard clue. You havent even got a bastard clue what your own government does in the name of freedom, liberty and the american way or how paper thin the ice is if Homeland Security decides youre worth the attention.

In reality, the "good" side of humanity isn't nearly as prevalent or appreciated. We just expect everyone to be great people, and thus we're so often dissapointed.

-Your "reality" isnt mine. Good is highly subjective. I dont expect anyone to be a great person. On the contrary I count on them not being. Especially when I leave the never never land of western civilization. If I am the mealticked for a man who has hungry kids, Then I am going down. And Id do it myself if my kids were hungry.

[OneDrunkMonk]

The whole Paragon/Renegade thing wasn't well implemented IMHO. It should have been a difference between hardline Alpha approach to a situation or a softer Beta approach. Not so much rational Shepard vs big jerk Shepard.

[Dean_the_Young]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

You could also add the Rachni...for more deep reasons given how we know understand fully what indoctrination is...and why that makes a paragon rachni save...muddled.

The Rachni Queen is friendly and will help you.

I don't know if you read the script but...

I did. The Rachni Queen from Noveria is friendly, and will help you if freed. Besides the script, you can also look at the Asset list.

It's the replacement if you killed the Rachni Queen, the Breeder Queen, who will screw you over... but she only appears if you killed the Rachni Queen.

[Dean_the_Young]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

When it doesn't happen to Paragons.

It does happen to Paragons...

Name three Paragon decisions from ME1 to ME2 that were worse in content, forshadowing, or galactic readiness against the Reapers, compared to their Renegade equivalent.

Oh I thought we were talking in context of ME3...

I can only think of two for both of them. The geth and the base.

The base remains to be seen, but the Geth Virus decision can work out for the better if you've done enough other Paragon things in the Geth-Quarian field. The Heretic Virus is a balance between 'easier peace' and 'overall assets,' with the Paragon getting the higher assets.

Mind you, the ME2 Legion LM was messed up in all sorts of ways regarding P/R...

None of the other things you do in order to achieve peace are necessarily Paragon.

I didn't say they were. But the supposed 'weakness' in the Paragon setup, as of what we know now, is rectified by being Paragon. It only becomes a weakness if you are not sufficiently Paragon, but if you are it's a strength.

Or, to put it in other words: mixed Paragon bad. Pure Paragon good.

[Aumata]

Bioware problem with Cerberus was show don't tell, and all Bioware shown was Cerberus mucking things up and failing, while at the same time telling us that they are pretty damn successful. Maybe if they were to show us successes that they have made instead of showing us failures at nearly every turn of events would have been helpful though Dean the Young is right on the money that moral decisions tends to be Bioware kryptonite, which is rather worrisome for Mass Effect 3 as playing Mass Effect 1 and the referencing of what the Protheans had to deal with, I would have not guess the main force would be Cerberus, instead of an indoctrinated army of conquered races, mixed with the various husks of their species. Was thinking more in line of horror than what we gotten as of now.

[Hunter of Legends]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

You could also add the Rachni...for more deep reasons given how we know understand fully what indoctrination is...and why that makes a paragon rachni save...muddled.

The Rachni Queen is friendly and will help you.

I don't know if you read the script but...

I did. The Rachni Queen from Noveria is friendly, and will help you if freed. Besides the script, you can also look at the Asset list.

It's the replacement if you killed the Rachni Queen, the Breeder Queen, who will screw you over... but she only appears if you killed the Rachni Queen.

Perhaps I read wrong...I had them both not friendly.

[Thetri]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

G3rman wrote...

Being a pure Renegade and pure Paragon isn't smart to begin with.

Is it even possible to be pure of either? Every time I try to go pure renegade some of the renegade actions award me with paragon points. I usually end up 90% renegade and 35% paragon.