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[GodWood]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Have you forgotten our little discussion?

We don't know if it indoctrinates people. It may, but we have no solid evidence to prove that.

If you played all of ME1 you'd know Dragon's teeth does in fact indoctrinate and dragons teeth are what creates husks.

We do not know if Dragon's teeth indoctrinate people, only that they can be used to turn people into husks.

It's possible, but we don't know for sure. 

Ergo people would have OBVIOUSLY fallen under reaper control.

Or perhaps people who have been forcibly impaled on the spike like we actually see happen in ME1. 

Saving the base isn't worth it.

And this conclusion is seemingly out of no where.

The Collector Base doesn't even have Dragon's teeth.

Also, as I've repeated a billion times, all the things that have helped Shepard defeat the Reapers have come from technology that indoctrinates. (Thanix cannons, EDI, IFF etc). If you had your way you would have blown all that up and completeely ****ed the galaxy over. 

As for the fact it was a research base it won't give us much insight into the reapers...again I ask you do you really think the reapers stupid enough to leave "I win" buttons all over the place.

Please.

I don't expect an "I win" button but I do expect it to give us a greater insight into Reaper technology and make us more prepared then what we are now.

Honestly, it's me that should be accusing YOU of expecting an "I win" button. At the time you have absolutely no idea how you're going to defeat the Reapers and yet you still throw away a cache of information at the hope that maybe something else that's useful will pop up.

[Hunter of Legends]

GodWood wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Have you forgotten our little discussion?

We don't know if it indoctrinates people. It may, but we have no solid evidence to prove that.

If you played all of ME1 you'd know Dragon's teeth does in fact indoctrinate and dragons teeth are what creates husks.

We do not know if Dragon's teeth indoctrinate people, only that they can be used to turn people into husks.

It's possible, but we don't know for sure.
The Collector Base doesn't even have Dragon's teeth.

Yes we do, the missing researchers became indoctrinated by gazing on the dragons teeth.
This is the only way to make husks and the collector base has them.

So yes, we do know what will happen. Saving the base isn't worth the massive risks.

Pieces of blown up reaper may/may not indoctrinate.

WE don't KNOW.

Modifié par Hunter of Legends, 25 février 2012 - 07:06 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

You could also add the Rachni...for more deep reasons given how we know understand fully what indoctrination is...and why that makes a paragon rachni save...muddled.

The Rachni Queen is friendly and will help you.

I don't know if you read the script but...

I did. The Rachni Queen from Noveria is friendly, and will help you if freed. Besides the script, you can also look at the Asset list.

It's the replacement if you killed the Rachni Queen, the Breeder Queen, who will screw you over... but she only appears if you killed the Rachni Queen.

Perhaps I read wrong...I had them both not friendly.

You read wrong.

[Arppis]

G3rman wrote...

Being a pure Renegade and pure Paragon isn't smart to begin with.

Yep! No need to shoot yourself to the leg, play it smart, people.

[PHILtheCANADIAN]

If your Paragon:
Rachni help you
Geth help you
Possibly Feros helps you?

Renegade:
No one to help you
Your enemy, Cerberus has Reaper technology

[Dean_the_Young]

Not really. Renegade has most of the same allies.

[GodWood]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Have you forgotten our little discussion?

We don't know if it indoctrinates people. It may, but we have no solid evidence to prove that.

If you played all of ME1 you'd know Dragon's teeth does in fact indoctrinate and dragons teeth are what creates husks.

We do not know if Dragon's teeth indoctrinate people, only that they can be used to turn people into husks.

It's possible, but we don't know for sure.
The Collector Base doesn't even have Dragon's teeth.

Yes we do, the missing researchers became indoctrinated by gazing on the dragons teeth.

We do not know that. It's possible but we really have no idea.

This is the only way to make husks and the collector base has them.

Husks yes, Dragon's Teeth, probably not. We never see any on the CB and all the planets attacked by the Collectors never have Dragon's Teeth.

My guess is they round husks up and then modify them at the CB.

So yes, we do know what will happen. Saving the base isn't worth the massive risks.

What are the risks pray tell?

Science team gets indoctrinated? Whoop dee ****ing doo, we have NO idea how we're going to defeat the Reapers. A cache of Reaper information is worth more then billions of research teams.

Pieces of blown up reaper may/may not indoctrinate.

WE don't KNOW.

Good to see you're learning. The dead Reaper DID indoctrinate though, so no IFF then?

[Hunter of Legends]

GodWood wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Have you forgotten our little discussion?

We don't know if it indoctrinates people. It may, but we have no solid evidence to prove that.

If you played all of ME1 you'd know Dragon's teeth does in fact indoctrinate and dragons teeth are what creates husks.

We do not know if Dragon's teeth indoctrinate people, only that they can be used to turn people into husks.

It's possible, but we don't know for sure.
The Collector Base doesn't even have Dragon's teeth.

Yes we do, the missing researchers became indoctrinated by gazing on the dragons teeth.

We do not know that. It's possible but we really have no idea.

This is the only way to make husks and the collector base has them.

Husks yes, Dragon's Teeth, probably not. We never see any on the CB and all the planets attacked by the Collectors never have Dragon's Teeth.

My guess is they round husks up and then modify them at the CB.

So yes, we do know what will happen. Saving the base isn't worth the massive risks.

What are the risks pray tell?

Science team gets indoctrinated? Whoop dee ****ing doo, we have NO idea how we're going to defeat the Reapers. A cache of Reaper information is worth more then billions of research teams.

Pieces of blown up reaper may/may not indoctrinate.

WE don't KNOW.

Good to see you're learning. The dead Reaper DID indoctrinate though, so no IFF then?

What part of we do know Dragons teeth indoctrinate do you not understand?

[GodWood]

PHILtheCANADIAN wrote...
If your Paragon:
Rachni help you
Geth help you
Possibly Feros helps you?

Renegade:
No one to help you
Your enemy, Cerberus has Reaper technology

Well that's blatantly untrue.

Paragon:
Rachni are likely to help you but run the risk of having their entire species indoctrinated and used against you.
Geth may help you, although they have been known to do anything to ensure their survival over all others.
Council will help in what little way they do.
Alliance will help.
Quarians may help.

Renegade:
Rachni dead.
Geth may help you (if you saved legion) otherwise no.
Council will help you, begrudgingly.
Alliance will help.
Quarians may help
(Ignoring retarded ME3 plot development) It would've been safe to say Cerberus would help.


The whole "Paragons make allies and renegades don't" chant is a load of B.S.

[GodWood]

Hunter of Legends wrote...
What part of we do know Dragons teeth indoctrinate do you not understand?

No we don't.

Check the wiki.

[Hunter of Legends]

GodWood wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...
What part of we do know Dragons teeth indoctrinate do you not understand?

No we don't.

Check the wiki.

I don't need to check the wiki.

The missing researchers mission is all the proof I need.

[GodWood]

Hunter of Legends wrote...
I don't need to check the wiki.

The missing researchers mission is all the proof I need.

I know the mission.

It's not certain if they were indoctrinated by the teeth or not. It's unwise to make definitive conclusions without all the information.

[Hunter of Legends]

GodWood wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...
I don't need to check the wiki.

The missing researchers mission is all the proof I need.

I know the mission.

It's not certain if they were indoctrinated by the teeth or not. It's unwise to make definitive conclusions without all the information.

Because this is the only conclusion we can make.

Im highly doubt they impaled themselves on the spikes for ****s and giggles.

[GodWood]

Hunter of Legends wrote...
Because this is the only conclusion we can make.

Geth did it like on Eden Prime, some other device Reaper device did it, they impaled them selves for ****s and giggles, etc etc.

All I've said is we don't defnitively know.

Also, we have no  solid evidence of their being Dragon's Teeth on the CB. We certainly never see any.

[Dean_the_Young]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

What part of we do know Dragons teeth indoctrinate do you not understand?

The fact that we don't.


In ME1, the machine cultist mission which has Dragon's Teeth actually references an object that was dragged away, which along with the Evolution device and Object Rho definitely tells us that huskified/indoctrinated subjects are used to move Reaper artifacts to other, more ideal, locations when possible.

In ME2, we actually get to see an honest-to-god indoctrination device, which is not Dragons Teeth: it was in the vicinity of Dragon's Teeth, but it did not make husks itself. In the comic Evolution, and in the DLC Arrival, we see indoctrination devices that are distinct from Dragon's Teeth.

The only times we've seen Dragon's Teeth at work, the victims have either been forcibly implanted (Eden Prime), or already indoctrinated by other means (a Reaper, an indoctrination device). All other husks have come from either unclear circumstances (the Colony of the Dead, which we have virtually no information on about what happened there), or in cases where other forms of direct-emplacement was available (Collectors and their husks).



We've yet to get any confirmed case in which it was a Dragon's Tooth that indoctrinated anybody. No character or companion or codex or lore has ever referenced signs of indoctrination from the Teeth themselves.

[Gruzmog]

Hunter of Legends wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Hunter of Legends wrote...
I don't need to check the wiki.

The missing researchers mission is all the proof I need.

I know the mission.

It's not certain if they were indoctrinated by the teeth or not. It's unwise to make definitive conclusions without all the information.

Because this is the only conclusion we can make.

Im highly doubt they impaled themselves on the spikes for ****s and giggles.

I know of only one place with dragons teeth were there was nothing else to explain the indoctrination. Since in all other circumstances it was either by a dead reaper, reaper artifact or third party action. I think its safer to assume they were impaled by geth that then left, then that dragons teath indoctrinate.

Not saying you can't be right, but you're reasoning is flawed.

[Thetri]

PHILtheCANADIAN wrote...

If your Paragon:
Rachni help you
Geth help you
Possibly Feros helps you?

Renegade:
No one to help you
Your enemy, Cerberus has Reaper technology

Funny, I'm pure renegade and I told Cereberus to GTFO and blew the crap out of the base.