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[Red Son Rising]

if more gamers understood they have a business relationship with their hobbies [IMO] there would be a 99% drop in rage threads on forums and fights in sports arena parking lots

too many ppl have too much invested in the things they do for fun and too much emotion riding on trivial things like sports and video games. frankly its just not that serious

Bold Statement
game devs are like trashmen: everyone appreciates what they do but too many ppl complain when its time to pay for the services.

[edit] pay the man

Modifié par Red Son Rising, 25 février 2012 - 01:47 .

[nitefyre410]

Red Son Rising wrote...

if more gamers understood they have a business relationship with their hobbies [IMO] there would be a 99% drop in rage threads on forums and fights in sports arena parking lots

too many ppl have too much invested in the things they do for fun and too much emotion riding on trivial things like sports and video games. frankly its just not that serious

Bold Statement
game devs are like trashmen: everyone appreciates what they do but too many ppl complain when its time to pay for the services.

[edit] pay the man

 

No  - he is not giving me a product  that is  worth the money that he  is asking for it..

he may have a nice day.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 25 février 2012 - 01:53 .

[ElementL09]

Red Son Rising wrote...

if more gamers understood they have a business relationship with their hobbies [IMO] there would be a 99% drop in rage threads on forums and fights in sports arena parking lots

too many ppl have too much invested in the things they do for fun and too much emotion riding on trivial things like sports and video games. frankly its just not that serious

Bold Statement
game devs are like trashmen: everyone appreciates what they do but too many ppl complain when its time to pay for the services.

[edit] pay the man

Trashman don't have publishers that nickle and dime consumers.

[Dragoonlordz]

ElementL09 wrote...

Red Son Rising wrote...

if more gamers understood they have a business relationship with their hobbies [IMO] there would be a 99% drop in rage threads on forums and fights in sports arena parking lots

too many ppl have too much invested in the things they do for fun and too much emotion riding on trivial things like sports and video games. frankly its just not that serious

Bold Statement
game devs are like trashmen: everyone appreciates what they do but too many ppl complain when its time to pay for the services.

[edit] pay the man

Trashman don't have publishers that nickle and dime consumers.

Well they should, they have got stinky job. They should get more money too. 

[Varen Spectre]

Xivai wrote...

Option C would be a waste of everyone god damn time, and on top of that the development team who did the core game would be split up all gone. I sure as hell know I wouldn't stick around 3 months praying to god I get rehired by Bioware for DLC work. More so if they have a family to feed. Meaning the original team who does the awesome game is shattered.  

What if the rest of the team could start working on another game, for example a sequel, immediately instead of working on DLC?

They would still have something to work on and be paid properly and the consumers would get for them more "acceptable" (given the uproar) full game (sequel) and even earlier.

I mean, I understand that it sounds like a sweet theory which is most likely not feasible in practice for many practical reasons I can't even think of, and very likely isn't even that smart from the perspective of publisher / developer (given how DLCs are becoming more and more popular, it is very likely that they are very profitable), but I think that absence of DLCs or at least Day 1 DLCs wouldn't necessarily have to mean the waste of time or shattering of the team as you pointed out, once those practical problems would be fixed (providing that they could).

Also, take that more as a speculation for the sake of discussion rather than potential complain, because I really don't have enough knowledge about this to make a propper comment.

Edit: After re examining the picture, it is possible that the production team wouldn't have much to do because pre-production for a full game would take much more time, I guess. Or maybe that could be addressed by better organization and scheduling. I don't know.

Modifié par Varen Spectre, 25 février 2012 - 02:13 .

[squee913]

wrdnshprd wrote...

squee913 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote... Actually, if i buy the standard edition, i DONT get the complete story out of the box because its missing content included with the CE.  why?  because i, as a SE buyer, dont have access to content, you the CE buyer gets unless i pay extra.  to me it shouldnt matter if its liara, ashley, or a prothean thats missing, its still content being restricted from the game in order to monetize it.

and a bigger point is, this wasnt how ME2 worked at launch, or ME1 for that matter.. ALL story content was available to EVERYONE, as long as they bought the game at retail cost.

and ill repeat it again, LOTS of games include multiplayer with all versions of their game, and on top of that, give EVERYONE access to the same story driven content.. im just expecting bioware to follow the same practice.

This argument only works if I got the CE for the same price you got the SE. I am still paying extra for the DLC just like you. We are both still paying for the bells and whistles. And ME1 or 2 were not as large as this game is. Things are always cut from games for space/ budget reasons. This is a way to still develop something that might never have made it otherwise. For all you know, without DLC Prothy would still be on the cutting room floor.

if i buy the DLC as a SE player, do i get access to any of this:

• Premium metal case featuring commemorative artwork of Commander Shepard.
• 70-page hardbound art book featuring hundreds of unique and gorgeous illustrations from the BioWare development team.
• Limited edition Mass Effect comic by Dark Horse Comics, complete with unique cover artwork.
• Join the ranks of the N7 with the premium fabric N7 patch.
• Exclusive 4x6 lithographic print featuring a one-of-a-kind piece of artwork.
• A full collection of in-game content that can't be found anywhere else!
  
  • N7 Arsenal Pack - Bring the firepower with the N7 Sniper Rifle, Shotgun, SMG, and Pistol.
  • Robotic Dog - A faithful sidekick to keep you company on board the Normandy.
  • Squadmate Alternate Outfit Pack - New appearances for your favorite squad members.
  • N7 Hoodie - For Commander Shepard's casual days on board the Normandy.
• Relive all the greatest moments of Mass Effect 3 with the digital soundtrack.
• Xbox LIVE Normandy prop for your Avatar. (Available on Xbox 360 version only.)
• Display your initiation in the N7 ranks with a collection of forum and social badges, avatars, and perks.

the answer is obviously no.  THAT is what your $20 is going for.  NOT the dlc.  bioware is advertising this as such.. all you have to do is read the sticky and check twitter.

also, have you played the game yet?  no?  neither did i.  thus, we have no basis for comparison as of yet

    

Really??? that is your argument? You do realize tha the CE is 20 dollars not 10 dollars right? Again, if I only paid an extra $10 you would have a point, but I am paying twice that amount. Do you have any proof that the DLC is just thrown in their for free? No? then your argument does not fly. At the very least you could say that it is a good deal and I might be getting the DLC a litle cheap, but guess what? Things are cheaper when bought in a bundle... that is true for almost everything. 

[RaenImrahl]

This has turned into an argument over the For Ashes DLC. Comments about that should be 1) kept civil, and 2) made in the sticky.

Locked.

[Reptilian Rob]

squee913 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote...

squee913 wrote...

wrdnshprd wrote... Actually, if i buy the standard edition, i DONT get the complete story out of the box because its missing content included with the CE.  why?  because i, as a SE buyer, dont have access to content, you the CE buyer gets unless i pay extra.  to me it shouldnt matter if its liara, ashley, or a prothean thats missing, its still content being restricted from the game in order to monetize it.

and a bigger point is, this wasnt how ME2 worked at launch, or ME1 for that matter.. ALL story content was available to EVERYONE, as long as they bought the game at retail cost.

and ill repeat it again, LOTS of games include multiplayer with all versions of their game, and on top of that, give EVERYONE access to the same story driven content.. im just expecting bioware to follow the same practice.

This argument only works if I got the CE for the same price you got the SE. I am still paying extra for the DLC just like you. We are both still paying for the bells and whistles. And ME1 or 2 were not as large as this game is. Things are always cut from games for space/ budget reasons. This is a way to still develop something that might never have made it otherwise. For all you know, without DLC Prothy would still be on the cutting room floor.

if i buy the DLC as a SE player, do i get access to any of this:

• Premium metal case featuring commemorative artwork of Commander Shepard.
• 70-page hardbound art book featuring hundreds of unique and gorgeous illustrations from the BioWare development team.
• Limited edition Mass Effect comic by Dark Horse Comics, complete with unique cover artwork.
• Join the ranks of the N7 with the premium fabric N7 patch.
• Exclusive 4x6 lithographic print featuring a one-of-a-kind piece of artwork.
• A full collection of in-game content that can't be found anywhere else!
  
  • N7 Arsenal Pack - Bring the firepower with the N7 Sniper Rifle, Shotgun, SMG, and Pistol.
  • Robotic Dog - A faithful sidekick to keep you company on board the Normandy.
  • Squadmate Alternate Outfit Pack - New appearances for your favorite squad members.
  • N7 Hoodie - For Commander Shepard's casual days on board the Normandy.
• Relive all the greatest moments of Mass Effect 3 with the digital soundtrack.
• Xbox LIVE Normandy prop for your Avatar. (Available on Xbox 360 version only.)
• Display your initiation in the N7 ranks with a collection of forum and social badges, avatars, and perks.

the answer is obviously no.  THAT is what your $20 is going for.  NOT the dlc.  bioware is advertising this as such.. all you have to do is read the sticky and check twitter.

also, have you played the game yet?  no?  neither did i.  thus, we have no basis for comparison as of yet

    

Really??? that is your argument? You do realize tha the CE is 20 dollars not 10 dollars right? Again, if I only paid an extra $10 you would have a point, but I am paying twice that amount. Do you have any proof that the DLC is just thrown in their for free? No? then your argument does not fly. At the very least you could say that it is a good deal and I might be getting the DLC a litle cheap, but guess what? Things are cheaper when bought in a bundle... that is true for almost everything. 

Oh lawd, just play the flipping videogame and stop arguing like children.