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[littlezack]

Travie wrote...

Many 'bad' businesses care about profits more then people 100% of the time unless they can't do it because the public doesn't let them.

Try business' in general.

I don't care what they say or what they tell you - companies are out to make money. They care about people onlyso much as they can make money of them. Even when they seem to be doing things out of the kindness of their heart or for 'free', I guarantee they wouldn't be doing that if it wasn't in their best interest financially. If you believe anything different, you're living in a fantasy world.

Modifié par littlezack, 24 février 2012 - 05:35 .

[TheStoner]

Freakiq wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

The certification stuff is a distraction. It's irrelevant, an attempt to blind with technical issues.

This content is ready for release on release day, so it could be included in the game. Whether as Day One DLC, patch, whatever.

Why?

Why shouldn't they get paid for the coding they've done since January?

They are charging for the main game. Some people think that this work should be covered by that cost.

[ArkkAngel007]

Whacka wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

Chargin 870$ for DLC?

They aren't charging $870 for DLC.

If you truly believe that all the small DLC's that come with the figurines, art books, etc. give players unique weapons in either Singleplayer, Multiplayer or both, you're sadly mistaken.
The DLC gives you nothing more than the Collector Rifle, which you can get in multiplayer anyway. And if you already have that weapon, the DLC codes give you free upgrades.

You don't have to worry about missing out on that. 

Unless I'm wrong. Then you have all the right to be angry about it. I would be too.

You're right, but it won't stop people running around and continuing to say that they are being forced to pay $870+ dollars for the full experience.  Just like there will be people who just because they feel the DLC should have been free and what the DLC character should have been, it should be free for everyone and that BioWare devs are continue to lie to us.

[Wulfram]

Freakiq wrote...

Why?

Why shouldn't they get paid for the coding they've done since January?

They do get payed.  They get payed for the game.  Which they should try to make as good as possible, so more people want to buy it.

If they'd devoted their efforts to making the game as good as possible, I'd be willing to pay £30 for it. I'll instead wait until the price comes down and they'll get less money from me.

[Dragoonlordz]

Travie wrote...

Doesn't matter how they produced it.

If they charge people twice on day one its pure greed.

Many 'bad' businesses care about profits more then people 100% of the time unless they can't do it because the public doesn't let them.

EA is no different.

This train of through leads only one place, hypocriteopia.

If your employer says to you I will give you double current wages but for same amount of work. Would you say no thanks I don't deserve it and my current wages are all I need to get by on? Profit pays for wages and employing more people, it keeps roofs over peoples head and food in their families bellies, the more profit the more people can be hired.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 24 février 2012 - 05:37 .

[shadowkiller74]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Whacka wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

Chargin 870$ for DLC?

They aren't charging $870 for DLC.

If you truly believe that all the small DLC's that come with the figurines, art books, etc. give players unique weapons in either Singleplayer, Multiplayer or both, you're sadly mistaken.
The DLC gives you nothing more than the Collector Rifle, which you can get in multiplayer anyway. And if you already have that weapon, the DLC codes give you free upgrades.

You don't have to worry about missing out on that. 

Unless I'm wrong. Then you have all the right to be angry about it. I would be too.

You're right, but it won't stop people running around and continuing to say that they are being forced to pay $870+ dollars for the full experience.  Just like there will be people who just because they feel the DLC should have been free and what the DLC character should have been, it should be free for everyone and that BioWare devs are continue to lie to us.

Expecting to get all the content on day 1 when you pay the full retail price of $60 is expecting free content? Brilliant arguement Einstien.

[Dragoonlordz]

shadowkiller74 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Whacka wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

Chargin 870$ for DLC?

They aren't charging $870 for DLC.

If you truly believe that all the small DLC's that come with the figurines, art books, etc. give players unique weapons in either Singleplayer, Multiplayer or both, you're sadly mistaken.
The DLC gives you nothing more than the Collector Rifle, which you can get in multiplayer anyway. And if you already have that weapon, the DLC codes give you free upgrades.

You don't have to worry about missing out on that. 

Unless I'm wrong. Then you have all the right to be angry about it. I would be too.

You're right, but it won't stop people running around and continuing to say that they are being forced to pay $870+ dollars for the full experience.  Just like there will be people who just because they feel the DLC should have been free and what the DLC character should have been, it should be free for everyone and that BioWare devs are continue to lie to us.

Expecting to get all the content on day 1 when you pay the full retail price of $60 is expecting free content? Brilliant arguement Einstien.

You are only paying for what is on offer, if it is not part of the package you was never paying for it in the first place.

Your $60 does not entitle you do things they have done past, present or future unless they decide to bundle it with the product and advertise it with such.  You are paying for what they offer not for what you think you deserve. If you do not agree with what is being offered then do not buy it and then have spent $0.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 24 février 2012 - 05:45 .

[teh_619]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

Chargin 870$ for DLC?

That's game development now?

It's just a greedy business direction. Nothing more, nothing less.

You'd do well to not fall for this and support it.

Greed also comes from your end because you want those things but are unwilling to pay for them, two way street.

There is no gun to your head and gaming is a hobby not an oxygen supply. Don't like, don't buy. Move on with your life.

That would've been true.
However as the video games community is less mature or self-knowing compared to some other consumers,
doing nothing will turn out to be a mistake, as you'll be letting 11 yos with their parents money to decide for the future of the industry.

[Xivai]

You do get all of that content. It's just little + one to x gun. Or an early unlock. It's not actual unique DLC. Though feel free to think you have to pay that much.

The only content that is unique and isn't in game.
Pre-Orders
From Dust or whatever, the 10 dollar DLC.
Collectors edition content.

That's it. Everything else can be in game. Your paying 800$ + to unlock all of it early on multiplayer, why you would be so ****ing stupid. Is beyond me. A quick 30 minutes of game time is likely to net you all of those items. Then from there you can work on leveling them up.

If people feel their time is worth 800$ be my guest and go and buy all the unlock to save yourself 1-2 hours of game play.

Modifié par Xivai, 24 février 2012 - 05:44 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Paid DLC: I pay money for more content, more jobs for the lowly grunts, EA makes a profit. I break even, EA and employees benefit.

Free DLC: More content for me without having to pay for it, lowly grunts have something but probably won't be paid that well, EA loses money because production costs are not returned. Only I win.

No DLC: Less content for me, less jobs for lowly grunts, no money for EA. Nobody wins.

Economics, losers.

EDIT: Fixed that up a bit...

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 24 février 2012 - 05:52 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

**** it, this iPad is terrible to type with.

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 24 février 2012 - 05:47 .

[littlezack]

shadowkiller74 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Whacka wrote...

teh_619 wrote...

Chargin 870$ for DLC?

They aren't charging $870 for DLC.

If you truly believe that all the small DLC's that come with the figurines, art books, etc. give players unique weapons in either Singleplayer, Multiplayer or both, you're sadly mistaken.
The DLC gives you nothing more than the Collector Rifle, which you can get in multiplayer anyway. And if you already have that weapon, the DLC codes give you free upgrades.

You don't have to worry about missing out on that. 

Unless I'm wrong. Then you have all the right to be angry about it. I would be too.

You're right, but it won't stop people running around and continuing to say that they are being forced to pay $870+ dollars for the full experience.  Just like there will be people who just because they feel the DLC should have been free and what the DLC character should have been, it should be free for everyone and that BioWare devs are continue to lie to us.

Expecting to get all the content on day 1 when you pay the full retail price of $60 is expecting free content? Brilliant arguement Einstien.

When you pay the sixty dollars, you're entitled to the main game. DLC is extra. It can't get anymore simple than that.

Now, if you pop in the game, and it's completely unplayable without the Prothean, and you absolutely need his inclusion to even enjoy the experience, that's one thing. But, more than likely, that's not the case.

[Gibb_Shepard]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Paid DLC: I pay money for more content, more jobs for the lowly grunts, EA makes a profit. I break even, EA and employees benefit.

Free DLC: More content for me without having to pay for it, lowly grunts have something to do but aren't paid for it, EA loses money because production costs are not returned. Only I win.

No DLC: Less content for me, less jobs for lowly grunts, no money for EA. Nobody wins.

Economics, losers.

Lol. How quickly you change your tune.

[Atakuma]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Paid DLC: I pay money for more content, more jobs for the lowly grunts, EA makes a profit. I break even, EA and employees benefit.

Free DLC: More content for me without having to pay for it, lowly grunts have something to do but aren't paid for it, EA loses money because production costs are not returned. Only I win.

No DLC: Less content for me, less jobs for lowly grunts, no money for EA. Nobody wins.

Economics, losers.

The lowly grunts get paid regardless of whether they charge for the DLC or not.

[AdmiralCheez]

Atakuma wrote...

The lowly grunts get paid regardless of whether they charge for the DLC or not.

Technically, you are correct (my bad).  But the less profit the parent company makes, the less likely they're going to keep their jobs or get paid well.

[AdmiralCheez]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Lol. How quickly you change your tune.

Hey, it's the free DLC that's most beneficial to the player.  But EA's not going to just blow money doing nice things.

You're just mad because you aren't getting stuff for free.

[Atakuma]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

The lowly grunts get paid regardless of whether they charge for the DLC or not.

Technically, you are correct (my bad).  But the less profit the parent company makes, the less likely they're going to keep their jobs or get paid well.

That would be true if they werent going to make any more dlc, but they obviously are.

[Dragoonlordz]

littlezack wrote...

When you pay the sixty dollars, you're entitled to the main game. DLC is extra. It can't get anymore simple than that.

Now, if you pop in the game, and it's completely unplayable without the Prothean, and you absolutely need his inclusion to even enjoy the experience, that's one thing. But, more than likely, that's not the case.

Even then the game is still complete, unless it is physically impossible to reach then end without it then the game is complete. Enjoyment is subjective and does not mean the game should come with such DLC unless causes what happens mentioned in first sentence. I disliked a lot of games last year and did not enjoy them but they were still complete games.

Also yeh, I agree it is rare we seem to agree on things but I even had agreement with Rinpoch on something recently which almost gave me heart attack since we were at each others throats for DA2 on a lot of issues. But thats where maturity shines through, people can agree and disagree about many things but acknowledging this makes the world a happier place. >

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 24 février 2012 - 05:56 .

[Wulfram]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Paid DLC: I pay money for more content, more jobs for the lowly grunts, EA makes a profit. I break even, EA and employees benefit.

Free DLC: More content for me without having to pay for it, lowly grunts have something to do but aren't paid for it, EA loses money because production costs are not returned. Only I win.

No DLC: Less content for me, less jobs for lowly grunts, no money for EA. Nobody wins.

Economics, losers.

1.  If they produce a better game, then they sell more copies.  And indeed, will sell more DLC down the line.
2.  DLC is sold at ludicrously inflated prices, so you're really paying more money for less content.  Which is less well integrated in the actual game than it would be if it was made as part of the game.
3.  Acting like a jerk to your customers has costs as well as benefits.  Fan loyalty is a valuable thing.

Modifié par Wulfram, 24 février 2012 - 05:56 .

[Femlob]

CodeMyster wrote...

DragonRageGT wrote...

I wonder if someone would do a charter like that about CDProjekt Red which has released ALL The Witcher 2 DLC's for free, including a major 2.0 revamp difficulty patch and a coming Enhanced Edition when the X-box version is released.

Yeah I wish more companies adapted the concepts that CDProjekt Red have been adhering to. They've proven that free dlc can be a good thing. That you don't have to sell part's of the game that should have been included anyway. Unfortunately most companies are in it for the money, they don't like to admit it and they'll swear up in down they are all for fans. But if they have a choice between making more money or appeasing the fans they'll choose the money everytime. Why not? It keeps them in business. And I'm not bashing Bioware, I think Bioware is a great company, but most companies are guilty of this. CDProjekt Red is one of the few companies who aren't in it for the money.
They are part of a dying breed.

Bwahahahahahaha

[Darth Death]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Lol. How quickly you change your tune.

Hey, it's the free DLC that's most beneficial to the player.  But EA's not going to just blow money doing nice things.

You're just mad because you aren't getting stuff for free.

I'm getting the CE, so I'm getting stuff for free.

What's this free DLC you speak of? If you're referring to the prothean dlc included with CE, then that's not free since you payed the extra $20 for it. If anything you got the better bargain, but by all means doesn't make it free. 

[Gibb_Shepard]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Lol. How quickly you change your tune.

Hey, it's the free DLC that's most beneficial to the player.  But EA's not going to just blow money doing nice things.

You're just mad because you aren't getting stuff for free.

I'm mad over the business practice. $10 doesn't faze me. The principle behind it does.

[Dragoonlordz]

Wulfram wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Paid DLC: I pay money for more content, more jobs for the lowly grunts, EA makes a profit. I break even, EA and employees benefit.

Free DLC: More content for me without having to pay for it, lowly grunts have something to do but aren't paid for it, EA loses money because production costs are not returned. Only I win.

No DLC: Less content for me, less jobs for lowly grunts, no money for EA. Nobody wins.

Economics, losers.

1.  If they produce a better game, then they sell more copies.  And indeed, will sell more DLC down the line.
2.  DLC is sold at ludicrously inflated prices, so you're really paying more money for less content.  Which is less well integrated in the actual game than it would be if it was made as part of the game.
3.  Acting like a jerk to your customers has costs as well as benefits.  Fan loyalty is a valuable thing.

1. Is not your problem, it is theirs.
2. You not paying for less content, your paying for the content you want and not paying for the stuff you do not.
3. Subjective and personal, fan loyalty is fickle and more in line with marriage of convenience if turn your nose up at them when disagree about something and only stay a fan when they agree with you.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 24 février 2012 - 06:05 .