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[Cody211282]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

But the company that attempts to sell you the beginning of a game, then the middle, and the end later? That's a company that's not going to last another 2 years.

Indeed.  Even Blizzard was smart enough to make Wings of Liberty a complete game in and of itself, despite it only containing a third of the entire story.  And Halo 2, while it ended on a cliffhanger, at least had a clear beginning, middle, and end.

Eh Wings of Libertyfelt like PotC 2, it started out fine but then it just ended and had the balls to ask for $60 more to see what happens next. Lets just say Blizz and me aren't talking anymore.

[TwistedComplex]

Whacka wrote...

You DO realize that people will ignore the info you have posted and will continue to bash it all, right?

Anyway, you make valid points. Since I study Game Development, I partially know how it works.

"I study game development"

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. 

Are you a gameologist?

[TwistedComplex]

MrJoshua wrote...
I have no problem with what has happened with the DLC thing

Oh, we know you don't, sweetie. Were just glad people like you don't make up the majority of PC gamers

[Cody211282]

TwistedComplex wrote...

MrJoshua wrote...
I have no problem with what has happened with the DLC thing

Oh, we know you don't, sweetie. Were just glad people like you don't make up the majority of PC gamers

But they do make up most of the 360 gamers.

[TwistedComplex]

Cody211282 wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

MrJoshua wrote...
I have no problem with what has happened with the DLC thing

Oh, we know you don't, sweetie. Were just glad people like you don't make up the majority of PC gamers

But they do make up most of the 360 gamers.

XxXSmokeItUp420DLCXxX

[AdmiralCheez]

Cody211282 wrote...

Eh Wings of Libertyfelt like PotC 2, it started out fine but then it just ended and had the balls to ask for $60 more to see what happens next. Lets just say Blizz and me aren't talking anymore.

Oh, don't worry--I'm not talking to Blizz, either.  Different reasons, mind you, but let's not talk about them here.

[Dragoonlordz]

Anaraky wrote...

It's so sickening to see how people are cool with being treated. Doesn't matter if it is a friend who is shagging up with a girl that treats him like garbage, a person accepting whatever his or hers country does out of blind patriotism or a customer that just rolls over when the corporations exploit the hell out of him. I just don't get it.

And your comments make me sick about your stance on stealing "copies" of the game. Trampling over the hard work and effort for years they spent creating the game, out of pure selfish reason that you "personally" feel are entitled to the extra content because you feel "personally" it is a big game play element. 

- The content in “From Ashes” was developed by a separate team (after the core game was finished) and not completed until well after the main game went into certification.

I direct you to this most recent tweet from Casey Hudson:
"The Prothean DLC character is really cool, but not at all critical to the main story. #ME3 centers on the Reapers, not the Protheans."

Possible Spoiler Content 

>Random Guy (of little importance) There's a theory going around that whatever you could've learned from this Prothean is already part of the core game, you don't need the DLC to get that content. What you do need this DLC for is to bring him along for the ride.
I'm inclined to believe this, to be honest. But we won't know for certain until the game comes out.

>Jessica (Bioware) No spoilers from me, but you may be on the right train of thought with that

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 24 février 2012 - 08:36 .

[littlezack]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Whacka wrote...

You DO realize that people will ignore the info you have posted and will continue to bash it all, right?

Anyway, you make valid points. Since I study Game Development, I partially know how it works.

"I study game development"

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. 

Are you a gameologist?

Lots of people study game development. You can get a degree in it. Where have you been?

[Cody211282]

FemaleMageFan wrote...

oh i get it people are mad that they are not getting content for free? -____-That is silly in my opinion bioware can sell THEIR intellectual property how they like. It is up to the fans to decide whether they want to get it or not bioware are not forcing anyone. It's like ordering ponchos and the server tells you if you can get a bigger plate if you pay $2 more and you go on a rampage but you are clearly not forced to pay $2 more.

No people are pissed because this stuff is normaly free if you buy the game new. Plus it smalls of "Wardens Keep" all over again.

[J.amber]

macdadams2 wrote...

littlezack wrote...

gabe2gg wrote...

Davidicus wrote...

DragonRageGT wrote...

I wonder if someone would do a charter like that about CDProjekt Red which has released ALL The Witcher 2 DLC's for free, including a major 2.0 revamp difficulty patch and a coming Enhanced Edition when the X-box version is released.

Did you play The Witcher 2 at release? There's a difference between giving away free stuff because you feel it's right and giving away free stuff to make it up to your fans. Guess which one CDProjekt Red falls under?

CDProjekt actually cares about its comsumers compared to EA/Bioware

No, they don't. They care about your money. Unless you think they made Witcher 2 purely out of the goodness of their hearts, and that they released 'free' DLC at their own detriment. 

Sure they are in it for the money, but CD Projekt is what Bioware was back when it was much smaller. They take great pride in what they do, and they GENUINELY appreciate people's business. So much so that they include things in game boxes and try to enhance everyones experience as much as possible. Without trying to make a buck everywhere they can.

I guess it's sort of like the difference of service when you go to your local small town bank vs. bank of america.

yeah lets see how long that lasts, CD projeckt will probably start selling their DLC ... the game sold 1.1 mill copies and yet, the pirated copies of it far outweighed that .. 4.5-4.8 mill? yeah gamers royally screwed CD Projekt even with all the free DLC  and that' s pretty sad

[spankybus]

LumpOfCole wrote...

There seems to be a lot of confusion about how there could possibly be paid DLC for the first day of a game's release. Hopefully this will help explain it better.

http://i.imgur.com/m77S3.png 

If you get 403 errored, try this link: http://www.reddit.co...oversy_and_how/

Your point is valid, so long as ME3 launches without any development issues. Issues that could have been avoided if they had more resources during the development life cycle of the game. Art glitches, serious bugs, etc.

Otherwise, they have chosen to offer their payer base one game with issues...and added insult t injury by asking for most cash for additional content.

My reaction would be, why can't I have a game that works properly from day one and then buy your DLC pack later, when it's been done right as well?

Of Course, if both game and DLC are flawless, then my point is mute, yes?

Lof course, if both games are flawless and without fault, then 

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Whacka wrote...

You DO realize that people will ignore the info you have posted and will continue to bash it all, right?

Anyway, you make valid points. Since I study Game Development, I partially know how it works.

"I study game development"

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. 

Are you a gameologist?

I hereby volunteer for this job.

[nitefyre410]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

It's 1/6th of the cost of the main game.  Unless people talking about the leak have misled me, it's nothing like 1/6th of the price.  It's 3/4 the cost of ME2.

When the main game comes down to the price I'm now willing to pay for it, it'll be half the cost of the main game.  Which is utterly ridiculous.

Gameplay length isn't the only factor that goes into pricing--there's also production costs.  Obviously, this sh*t's not sold at cost (PROFITS!), and undoubtedly they know that it'll have less sales than the main game.  Thus, percent profit per unit sold needs to be higher.

Ridiculous prices or not, and whether I agree with them aside, it's not like the final price was thrown out at a whim.

But you know what'd be really good for them right now?  A sale.  Make it so that, for a few days or so, the number of points required to purchase stuff is dropped.  This'll be a big opportunity for them, especially since they've never had a sale on the PC before.

Slicing their product into smaller slices to extract more money makes them jerks.  And they've lost this fan's loyalty.

Okay, then.  This DLC thing is losing them sales.  Once they start losing enough sales, they'll back off a bit and perhaps even reverse the policy.  Again, economics.

In addition, they're not "slicing their producs into smaller pieces" here--the process behind DLC is different.  Prothy probably wouldn't have made it into the game at all if he weren't DLC.

I'm not agreeing with them or making excuses for them, here.  In fact, I don't like this whole day one DLC thing, either.  I'm just offering my perspective as to why I'm not freaking the hell out over it.

Yet, anyway.  I have my limits, too.  Undoubtedly, I'll be forced to draw the line within the next few years.

 

Well unfortunately for  some of the good folks at  Bioware...I have to draw my line at  this point.  I understand why  Prothy may not have made it in the game and why he was DLC . They could just cut him out completely  or  Released like a month later given the Collectors Editions buyers the code in the box while charging everyone else the  $10... that would have been accpetable... this...  Day 1....   Can't do it.  

Sucks for the hardworkers a Bioware  - so I going to buy the new game... might even drop the 10 bucks  for Prothy or I might get a Chipotle Burritto  have not made my mind up yet..  either way after March 6th... all my future Bioware purchase will be used.

Modifié par nitefyre410, 24 février 2012 - 08:58 .

[Dragoonlordz]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Well unfortunately for  some of the good folks are Bioware...I have to draw my line at  this point.  I understand why  Prothy may not have made it in the game and why he was DLC . They could just cut him out completely  or  Released like a month later given the Collectors Editions buyers the code in the box while charging everyone else the  $10... that would have been accpetable... this...  Day 1....   Can't do it.  

Sucks for the hardworkers a Bioware  - so I going to buy the new game... might even drop the 10 bucks  for Prothy or I might get a Chipotle Burritto  have not made my mind up yet..  either way after March 6th... all my future Bioware purchase will be used.

Would of been far more moaning on this issue if the SE players had to wait a month while others played it using CE.

Patience is a virtue many lack on here.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 24 février 2012 - 08:45 .

[Matt251287]

Xivai wrote...
I'm just collecting and relaying the informaiton into a coherent whole for others to decide.

Is English your first language?

Xivai wrote...
A purveyor of truth, and no one says people like the truth.

Seriously now man, stop it you're killing me.

Xivai wrote...
The debate here is this thread is if it is or isn't apart of the base game. I've proven long ago it isn't.

I don't see how anybody, especialy you, can speculate on that.

Xivai wrote...
I'm not an expert,

I'm glad we're clear.

Xivai wrote...
Edit
They have nothing to be mad about. It's like buying a truck and being told if you want you can get an satelite radio put in for a small additional charge. If they got mad it wasn't in the truck they were shown or told up front it wasn't there and never would be. It's not mandatory to drive the truck.

The question is, do we really want game-marketing to become like buying a new-car?

With game developers playing car salemen?

If anything that analogy makes this seem 10 times worse than it does already (and i just keep thinking of Stan from Monkey-Island =P )

Xivai wrote...
Neither is this dlc, it's got such a neligible impact in game. It's just there for you as a consumer to sweaten the deal with something extra.

Not having read the leaked script i cannot comment, but there's two sides to this coin;


If the Prothean is important to the story (because y'know, it's a Prothean.), then it is highly unethical for it to be 'extra' content.

If there's a living Prothean in the greater storyline and somehow it's not even important to the plot, that's just dumb on so many levels.

ME3's respecibility is taking a hit in both scenarios.
 
 
Those last two points make it clear that that the content was written after the marketing.
Rather than content that makes sense being written by the story guys, and then marketed.

^ That is what i'm really vexed about, and they have the nerve to be so transparant about it.

[Cody211282]

FemaleMageFan wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

FemaleMageFan wrote...

oh i get it people are mad that they are not getting content for free? -____-That is silly in my opinion bioware can sell THEIR intellectual property how they like. It is up to the fans to decide whether they want to get it or not bioware are not forcing anyone. It's like ordering ponchos and the server tells you if you can get a bigger plate if you pay $2 more and you go on a rampage but you are clearly not forced to pay $2 more.

No people are pissed because this stuff is normaly free if you buy the game new. Plus it smalls of "Wardens Keep" all over again.

but it isn't this time. We should be be grateful that we are even given free content. The bottom line is that content costs money. I have no problem paying for this.

Ya and I already shelled out $60 for it, why should I have to give them another 10? The publishers asking for more money for something that should have been in the game in the first place a bit more then im willing to put up with.

[Some Dude]

Watching my fellow gamers tear each other apart over $10 makes me a sad panda

[Knightstar2001]

DragonRageGT wrote...

I wonder if someone would do a charter like that about CDProjekt Red which has released ALL The Witcher 2 DLC's for free, including a major 2.0 revamp difficulty patch and a coming Enhanced Edition when the X-box version is released.

I love how people keep bringing this up as if they are doing something that no one has done before or as if they are doing it because they care so much about gamers. It's not.
Bioware did it before them with thier port of ME2 to PS3. It included new stuff like the comic, had all the story DLC up to that point for free as well.
They are including it as a reason for it to still be charged 60 dollars even thought it has been out on the PC for about 7 monthes already and is only just now getting released on the 360 instead of being released at the same time as the pc.

[Scary Shepard]

Whilst I've always understood this is a sensitive issue from a moral perspective, as far as I can see video games are simply joining a long list of other consumer goods where the core product can be enhanced and upgraded (providing the consumer pays for it) if they would so desire.

I've used this metaphor previously, but damn it I'm going to do it again. If I were to go out and purchase a car, I wouldn't demand that the best sound system should be installed for free, or that I should get leather trim just because as a consumer, I'm entitled to the best version of a product regardless of what I pay for it. The car is still functional in its intended role regardless of how many additional mod-cons I buy.

There's no end of goods this applies to: computers, kitchen appliances, TVs, garden equipment, even children's toys. All can have attachments/modifications/accessories bought for them from the manufacturer, if the consumer so wishes.

Why should a game be treated differently, simply because it's digital media?

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Multiplayer is no incentive to buy the game new... at all... for 360 gamers that don't have a Gold subscription.

[Cody211282]

Some Dude wrote...

Watching my fellow gamers tear each other apart over $10 makes me a sad panda

Just because someone has the same hobby as me doesn't mean we are on the same side, especially when their mentality of "buy anything that X puts out" leads to me having to buy the game peice by peice.

[slimgrin]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

Still don't like EA.

This. EA can take a flying leap.