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[roged49]

Why couldn't multiplayer be DLC? *swares for extended periods* Casual gamers, social networking *rolls eyes*


If multiplayer wasn't included, would this DLC have been in the from Day 1? Id imagine so.

Could those ineligible for the digital copy of Battlefiled 3 atleast get this DLC free? Like really?

[Cody211282]

[quote]robmokron wrote...

[quote]Cody211282 wrote...

[quote]FemaleMageFan wrote...

[quote]Cody211282 wrote...

[quote]FemaleMageFan wrote...

[quote]Cody211282 wrote...

[quote]FemaleMageFan wrote...

[quote]Cody211282 wrote...

[quote]FemaleMageFan wrote...

oh i get it people are mad that they are not getting content for free? -____-That is silly in my opinion bioware can sell THEIR intellectual property how they like. It is up to the fans to decide whether they want to get it or not bioware are not forcing anyone. It's like ordering ponchos and the server tells you if you can get a bigger plate if you pay $2 more and you go on a rampage but you are clearly not forced to pay $2 more.[/quote]

No people are pissed because this stuff is normaly free if you buy the game new. Plus it smalls of "Wardens Keep" all over again.

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but it isn't this time. We should be be grateful that we are even given free content. The bottom line is that content costs money. I have no problem paying for this.

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Ya and I already shelled out $60 for it, why should I have to give them another 10? The publishers asking for more money for something that should have been in the game in the first place a bit more then im willing to put up with.

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Youdon't have to if you do not want. That is what DLC is about additional content right? You can even get the DLC after a month and treat this like a post DLC. Problem solved

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The point is they took this out of the dev of the main game to make it DLC, as far as I'm concered that capcom levels of screwing the customer.

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The core team is not working onthe DLC. A different team is and i suggest in most game development companies different people are in charge of DLC. Just like  how fernando Melo is in charge of dragon age 2 DLC. If the DLC team is able to work on content the same time as the core team is able to work on its content i say why not? I bet people would not react the same if this DLC was finished and bioware waited a whole month to publish it. That chart posted explains how the development cycle works(in a general sense though cause i doubt if the bioware development cycle is as basic as that)

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Your still missing my point, I am paying for a product twice with this model, if they are working on it and its good to go at day one it should be included in the game because that's what your paying for, your paying for the work they have put into it up to that point(your also paying for what should be a complete game without to many bugs but thats diffrent topic).

Hell thats like saying the people in charge of side missions were working on a diffrent team then the people in charge of the main plot, so now you get to pay for each one of them.

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No you paying for whats on the disk, NOT what they were working on during the development. by that logic. With Star wars old republic, i should have gotten, mass effect 2, mass effect 3, Dragon age 2 and maybe eevn origins...

I WAMNT MY FREE GAMES!! RAGE!!!!!!!

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Good friken lord talk about taking things to far. Do I really need to add in "for the certain game your paying for" in the bolded space. Your looking for a fight or just dumb ether way your a waste of my time at the moment.

[quote]robmokron wrote...

[quote]Cody211282 wrote...

[quote]robmokron wrote...

.....
to all the complainers, and the people among these people who are
considered hardcore fans, you dun goofed for not pre ordering the CE in
time. instead of going tomorrow to pre order your game for 5 bucks at a
store, you should have went months ago. Its been said before, this was
created while the final game was bug fixing, and ti was "intergrated" to
feel like it part of the final game, however, it is not.[/quote]

Paying
money for something you dont know is going to be worth it is friken
insane, it's a sad thing that basicly to get a game anytime near launch
you have to shell out money blindly.

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wrong, they annouced what the CE had in it. Secondly, most HARDCORE fans wouldnt really care, just want the collectors.

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The game you fool, your paying money for a game that noones played and you cant get any sort of idea of what its like yet. And how is it hardcore to follow blindly, thats how cults start.

Modifié par Cody211282, 24 février 2012 - 09:23 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Multiplayer is no incentive to buy the game new... at all... for 360 gamers that don't have a Gold subscription.

I beleive the technical term for silver is "Second-class citizen"


My gold runs out on the 1st 

I've been second class for a long time, greatly benefitted from it as has freed up what money would of spend on feature I never use for purpose of buying few more games each year. 

Well with exception these days I only use my PC for gaming but that little Microsoft xbox360 is gathering dust quite nicely. Hoping to build a house form amount of dust someday that it is collecting.

Im in the works of building a [expensive] gaming rig, but i can't get over the ease of use and convienience of console gaming.

That said... paying for XBL is highway robbery, you might even get away with calling it extortion.

360 is the only platform that has you pay for playing a game you've already purchased (online)....

I just don't support that.  PC and PS3 don't have you do that at all... and they both get Mass Effect 3.  So those "1st and 2nd class citizens" are just "getting screwed by M$"... for lack of a better term.

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 24 février 2012 - 09:25 .

[Scary Shepard]

Cody211282 wrote...

Considering it was being made at the same time the game was being worked on I would say someone decided to take it out, move it to a DLC team to take care of and then not even bother to try to hide it.


I honestly think most people are missing what I'm upset about.

Let me indulge in my car metaphor again.

When I bought my Golf 2 years ago, the nice people at Volkswagen were also offering an additional enhancement to the car called ACC, which would give me variable suspension. When the car was being developed, needless to say the ability to have such technology in the car was also being developed at some expense.

If I was to take it, it would have cost me £1000 extra. However, I did not for one second think that I was entitled to it, simply because I was paying for the initial product. Nor did it occur to me that simply because it was developed along with the car itself, that it was somehow "removed" from the initial design along the way. It was always intended to be optional.

It was an accessory. Additional. I declined because I didn't want it. It didn't devalue the car for me in any way: I still love it to pieces.

This DLC was developed alongside ME3. ME3 will still be functional regardless of whether you buy it- that decision is yours alone to make.

If upon finshing ME3 I decide "wow, this game sure would have felt incomplete without that DLC" then I will gladly retract everything I've said. I'd also eat my hat at the same time mind.

[robmokron]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Multiplayer is no incentive to buy the game new... at all... for 360 gamers that don't have a Gold subscription.

I beleive the technical term for silver is "Second-class citizen"


My gold runs out on the 1st 

I've been second class for a long time, greatly benefitted from it as has freed up what money would of spend on feature I never use for purpose of buying few more games each year. 

Well with exception these days I only use my PC for gaming but that little Microsoft xbox360 is gathering dust quite nicely. Hoping to build a house form amount of dust someday that it is collecting.

Im in the works of building a [expensive] gaming rig, but i can't get over the ease of use and convienience of console gaming.

That said... paying for XBL is highway robbery, you might even get away with calling it extortion.

360 is the only platform that has you pay for playing a game you've already purchased (online)....

I just don't support that.  PC and PS3 don't have you do that at all... and they both get Mass Effect 3.  So those "1st and 2nd class citizens" are just "getting screwed by M$"... for lack of a better term.

Look the fact is that your paying 60 dollars for what was being developed for Mass Effect 3. From Ashes was after development, they just wanted to have it out on day 1 so that you wouldnt beat mass effect 3 then have to replay the game to see prothy

[Namevah]

Cody211282 wrote...
Considering it was being made at the same time the game was being worked on I would say someone decided to take it out, move it to a DLC team to take care of and then not even bother to try to hide it.

Until someone actually unearths proof that this was the case (which I sincerely hope we get), it's only speculation. Personally, I can't get angry at speculation. Rather, I'm unwilling to jump to conclusions before we have all the information.

[Cody211282]

Scary Shepard wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Considering it was being made at the same time the game was being worked on I would say someone decided to take it out, move it to a DLC team to take care of and then not even bother to try to hide it.


I honestly think most people are missing what I'm upset about.

Let me indulge in my car metaphor again.

When I bought my Golf 2 years ago, the nice people at Volkswagen were also offering an additional enhancement to the car called ACC, which would give me variable suspension. When the car was being developed, needless to say the ability to have such technology in the car was also being developed at some expense.

If I was to take it, it would have cost me £1000 extra. However, I did not for one second think that I was entitled to it, simply because I was paying for the initial product. Nor did it occur to me that simply because it was developed along with the car itself, that it was somehow "removed" from the initial design along the way. It was always intended to be optional.

It was an accessory. Additional. I declined because I didn't want it. It didn't devalue the car for me in any way: I still love it to pieces.

This DLC was developed alongside ME3. ME3 will still be functional regardless of whether you buy it- that decision is yours alone to make.

If upon finshing ME3 I decide "wow, this game sure would have felt incomplete without that DLC" then I will gladly retract everything I've said. I'd also eat my hat at the same time mind.

But the ACC probably also cost extra becuase the parts are higher quality, plus they are replacing something with a higher quality product then what is alreay there instead of adding something new to it. This would be like hearing that being able to roll down your windows cost extra(with rolling them back up being a bit more as well).

Now I know that the game isn't incomplete. I know this peice of DLC is a side thing(or at least I really really hope) but so are the side quests, extra weapons, fish tank, and vangaurd class. I don't need them to complete the game but that doesn't mean it's not part of what was part of the game and since it was being worked on durring the same time should be added in.

Also I like talking to you more then the other one, I think he might be rabbid.

[Cody211282]

Dry County wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...
Considering it was being made at the same time the game was being worked on I would say someone decided to take it out, move it to a DLC team to take care of and then not even bother to try to hide it.

Until someone actually unearths proof that this was the case (which I sincerely hope we get), it's only speculation. Personally, I can't get angry at speculation. Rather, I'm unwilling to jump to conclusions before we have all the information.

Well when they came out saying what was in the CE they said DLC, that means that they were sure that it would be done by day 1, and to me that does point to it was being worked on as the rest of the game was as well. Ether that or this game as been done for much much longer then I thought and would give me DA2 flashbacks.

[wrdnshprd]

LumpOfCole wrote...

There seems to be a lot of confusion about how there could possibly be paid DLC for the first day of a game's release. Hopefully this will help explain it better.

http://i.imgur.com/m77S3.png 

If you get 403 errored, try this link: http://www.reddit.co...oversy_and_how/

the issue is not whether the development process is right or wrong.  its the fact that the DLC is being released ON THE SAME DAY AS LAUNCH.

explain to me how that process would prevent them from making the day 1 DLC a new game incentive instead- i.e. like Zaeed or Shale. 

right, it woudnt.

so what if multiplayer was added this time around.  that does not excuse them from restricting access to story driven content (regardless of how important it is) from a portion of the playerbase at launch, simply to monetize it .. and thats EXACTLY what they did.

this is why people are upset.

[Red Son Rising]

MrJoshua wrote...

People saying insinuating Bioware/EA is being selfish for charging for Day 1 DLC is funny to me.
Isn't it more of that the fanbase is being selfish wanting it for free?

I have no problem with what has happened with the DLC thing, except for the fact they leaked everything way to early with the CE description a while back. Also, if Prothy isn't an important part of the game that will be disappointing.

But the money thing doesn't bother me at all.
You don't have to buy it.
If you cant afford to buy the DLC, you probably shouldn't be spending your limited funds on a video game in the first place.

posts like this redeem my opinion of forums and gamers as reasonable ppl. +1000%

Cody211282 wrote...

Paying money for something you dont know is going to be worth it is friken insane, it's a sad thing that basicly to get a game anytime near launch you have to shell out money blindly.

and just like that..

so i guess ppl like this know whats in every game they buy before they buy it. somehow. didnt know it was a new thing for ppl to pay full price for a game on launch day theyve never played before either. thought thats how it works

wrdnshprd wrote...
the issue is not whether the development process is right or wrong.  its the fact that the DLC is being released ON THE SAME DAY AS LAUNCH.

explain to me how that process would prevent them from making the day 1 DLC a new game incentive instead- i.e. like Zaeed or Shale.  

right, it woudnt.

so what if multiplayer was added this time around.  that does not excuse them from restricting access to story driven content (regardless of how important it is) from a portion of the playerbase at launch, simply to monetize it .. and thats EXACTLY what they did.

this is why people are upset.

or ppl are upset cause they think whining about it will get something for free [i hope it doesnt]

Modifié par Red Son Rising, 24 février 2012 - 09:48 .

[Mr. Gogeta34]

robmokron wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Multiplayer is no incentive to buy the game new... at all... for 360 gamers that don't have a Gold subscription.

I beleive the technical term for silver is "Second-class citizen"


My gold runs out on the 1st 

I've been second class for a long time, greatly benefitted from it as has freed up what money would of spend on feature I never use for purpose of buying few more games each year. 

Well with exception these days I only use my PC for gaming but that little Microsoft xbox360 is gathering dust quite nicely. Hoping to build a house form amount of dust someday that it is collecting.

Im in the works of building a [expensive] gaming rig, but i can't get over the ease of use and convienience of console gaming.

That said... paying for XBL is highway robbery, you might even get away with calling it extortion.

360 is the only platform that has you pay for playing a game you've already purchased (online)....

I just don't support that.  PC and PS3 don't have you do that at all... and they both get Mass Effect 3.  So those "1st and 2nd class citizens" are just "getting screwed by M$"... for lack of a better term.

Look the fact is that your paying 60 dollars for what was being developed for Mass Effect 3. From Ashes was after development, they just wanted to have it out on day 1 so that you wouldnt beat mass effect 3 then have to replay the game to see prothy

May want to reread what the topic was there...  (Multiplayer/Gold/Silver)

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 24 février 2012 - 09:46 .

[Cody211282]

Red Son Rising wrote...

MrJoshua wrote...

People saying insinuating Bioware/EA is being selfish for charging for Day 1 DLC is funny to me.
Isn't it more of that the fanbase is being selfish wanting it for free?

I have no problem with what has happened with the DLC thing, except for the fact they leaked everything way to early with the CE description a while back. Also, if Prothy isn't an important part of the game that will be disappointing.

But the money thing doesn't bother me at all.
You don't have to buy it.
If you cant afford to buy the DLC, you probably shouldn't be spending your limited funds on a video game in the first place.

posts like this redeem my opinion of forums and gamers as reasonable ppl. +1000%

Cody211282 wrote...

Paying money for something you dont know is going to be worth it is friken insane, it's a sad thing that basicly to get a game anytime near launch you have to shell out money blindly.

and just like that..

so i guess ppl like this know whats in every game they buy before they buy it. somehow. didnt know it was a new thing for ppl to pay full price for a game on launch day theyve never played before either. thought thats how it works

I'm just saying I like to be informed of what I'm getting ito before comitting $60 I cant get back, how the hell is that a bad thing?

[LumpOfCole]

It wouldn't excuse them from monetizing on core game content, but this is extra content made outside of the budget and plan for the core game.

From my point of view, and from playing the multiplayer myself, multiplayer is a much much more valuable incentivized inclusion than Zaeed was.

[MrAnthonyDraft]

Xivai wrote...

saturos2 wrote...

People fail to reailzie that the prothean has been in development since the early stages of the game, and was cut out to be day 1 dlc.

Didn't read the post or link.

Might be answered already in the later posts, but I didn't read more then 2 pages of this thread at the moment of typing this post.

The Collectors Edition of the game had an aditional character and bonus mission for free to it. It was already known that there will be a bonus character since they've released that trailer with CE goodies.

[Scary Shepard]

Cody211282 wrote...

But the ACC probably also cost extra becuase the parts are higher quality, plus they are replacing something with a higher quality product then what is alreay there instead of adding something new to it. This would be like hearing that being able to roll down your windows cost extra(with rolling them back up being a bit more as well).

Sorry, that was poorly put. My point was that it added a new feature (variable suspension, sport mode and so on) rather than improving an existing one.

Cody211282 wrote...

Now I know that the game isn't incomplete. I know this peice of DLC is a side thing(or at least I really really hope) but so are the side quests, extra weapons, fish tank, and vangaurd class. I don't need them to complete the game but that doesn't mean it's not part of what was part of the game and since it was being worked on durring the same time should be added in.

You miss my point. By your logic any DLC that appears post-release is morally acceptable simply because it wasn't developed at the same time as the main game. Just because the DLC was developed in parallel doesn't mean it will therefore detract from vanilla ME3.

Cody211282 wrote...

Also I like talking to you more then the other one, I think he might be rabbid.

Why thankyou. :happy:

Modifié par Scary Shepard, 24 février 2012 - 09:47 .

[Draconis6666]

Cody211282 wrote...

Scary Shepard wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Considering it was being made at the same time the game was being worked on I would say someone decided to take it out, move it to a DLC team to take care of and then not even bother to try to hide it.


I honestly think most people are missing what I'm upset about.

Let me indulge in my car metaphor again.

When I bought my Golf 2 years ago, the nice people at Volkswagen were also offering an additional enhancement to the car called ACC, which would give me variable suspension. When the car was being developed, needless to say the ability to have such technology in the car was also being developed at some expense.

If I was to take it, it would have cost me £1000 extra. However, I did not for one second think that I was entitled to it, simply because I was paying for the initial product. Nor did it occur to me that simply because it was developed along with the car itself, that it was somehow "removed" from the initial design along the way. It was always intended to be optional.

It was an accessory. Additional. I declined because I didn't want it. It didn't devalue the car for me in any way: I still love it to pieces.

This DLC was developed alongside ME3. ME3 will still be functional regardless of whether you buy it- that decision is yours alone to make.

If upon finshing ME3 I decide "wow, this game sure would have felt incomplete without that DLC" then I will gladly retract everything I've said. I'd also eat my hat at the same time mind.

But the ACC probably also cost extra becuase the parts are higher quality, plus they are replacing something with a higher quality product then what is alreay there instead of adding something new to it. This would be like hearing that being able to roll down your windows cost extra(with rolling them back up being a bit more as well).

Now I know that the game isn't incomplete. I know this peice of DLC is a side thing(or at least I really really hope) but so are the side quests, extra weapons, fish tank, and vangaurd class. I don't need them to complete the game but that doesn't mean it's not part of what was part of the game and since it was being worked on durring the same time should be added in.

Also I like talking to you more then the other one, I think he might be rabbid.

It also doesnt mean that it SHOULD be added in. Not everything worked on during the production of a game makes it into the game. They arent obligated to give you everything they worked on during the development, and in fact in amost no case wil you get that. There is tons of stuff that is worked on during development that is never even seen becasue its cut for one reason or another. You're right everything you mention is optional to the game and any of it could be cut, but if its cut so that the game can be finished by its deadline so that you can buy it in stores on the date they say you will be able to. Then worked on separately to be completed during the phase of development where it is no longer possible to add content to the main game build, (which is why you get day 1 patches etc) there is no obligation for them to provide you that content for free.

When you pay them the $60 for the game your paying them for their work during the game's development cycle your not paying for their work developing something else that has its own development cycle. If they chose to give that to you as free DLC then thats their option as a business. you feel they should include it, they feel otherwise. Thats all it comes down to really, they decided that they think you should have to pay for their work outside normal development and some people disagree. That doesnt make them wrong and it doesnt make you wrong either, the nature of the consumer market is that both sides can be right.

If you as a consumer think it should be included you can chose to tell them that you think its not worth what they are asking you to pay for it and refuse to pay. That doesnt mean they are wrong either though, they are still entitled to sell their work however they want. As long as people are willing to pay them for it then they are right from their standpoint. Consumerism is not a black and white thing where one side is wrong and the other is right.

[robmokron]

wrdnshprd wrote...

LumpOfCole wrote...

There seems to be a lot of confusion about how there could possibly be paid DLC for the first day of a game's release. Hopefully this will help explain it better.

http://i.imgur.com/m77S3.png 

If you get 403 errored, try this link: http://www.reddit.co...oversy_and_how/

the issue is not whether the development process is right or wrong.  its the fact that the DLC is being released ON THE SAME DAY AS LAUNCH.

explain to me how that process would prevent them from making the day 1 DLC a new game incentive instead- i.e. like Zaeed or Shale. 

right, it woudnt.

so what if multiplayer was added this time around.  that does not excuse them from restricting access to story driven content (regardless of how important it is) from a portion of the playerbase at launch, simply to monetize it .. and thats EXACTLY what they did.

this is why people are upset.

it actually is a new purchase incentive.. for CE

[Red Son Rising]

Cody211282 wrote...

Red Son Rising wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Paying money for something you dont know is going to be worth it is friken insane, it's a sad thing that basicly to get a game anytime near launch you have to shell out money blindly.

and just like that..

so i guess ppl like this know whats in every game they buy before they buy it. somehow. didnt know it was a new thing for ppl to pay full price for a game on launch day theyve never played before either. thought thats how it works

I'm just saying I like to be informed of what I'm getting ito before comitting $60 I cant get back, how the hell is that a bad thing?

seems pretty straight forward to me. ME3 CE got free day one dlc, standard editions dont. if you want more content pony up the cash and get the dlc you want. either way its gonna cost money, BW doesnt owe ppl free anything

[Scary Shepard]

robmokron wrote...

it actually is a new purchase incentive.. for CE

How? The CE is both more expensive and at the time of writing is nigh-impossible to obtain on consoles.

Modifié par Scary Shepard, 24 février 2012 - 09:58 .

[Draconis6666]

MrAnthonyDraft wrote...

Xivai wrote...

saturos2 wrote...

People fail to reailzie that the prothean has been in development since the early stages of the game, and was cut out to be day 1 dlc.

Didn't read the post or link.

Might be answered already in the later posts, but I didn't read more then 2 pages of this thread at the moment of typing this post.

The Collectors Edition of the game had an aditional character and bonus mission for free to it. It was already known that there will be a bonus character since they've released that trailer with CE goodies.

Which was nowhere close to the early stages of the game, the prothean was in the game as a major plot element in a very early version of the script. At some point he was removed from that plot centrality and then ended up cut and turned into DLC, so yes he was indeed planned as DLC during production but thats not uncommon at all. Kasumi was cut during production of ME 2 and turned into DLC. 

You can claim that they cut it specificaly to be DLC, but there is no actual evidence to prove that. The sad part of the entire argument is that if you cut content then decide to turn it into DLC later after production you have to go through the entire production cycle for the DLC after release which takes time and people complain that the DLC takes too long to come out. If you plan ahead and do pre production work during normal development people accuse you of cutting it out to sell to them. As a developer there is really no way to win this argument, either way people complain.

[Cody211282]

Scary Shepard wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

But the ACC probably also cost extra becuase the parts are higher quality, plus they are replacing something with a higher quality product then what is alreay there instead of adding something new to it. This would be like hearing that being able to roll down your windows cost extra(with rolling them back up being a bit more as well).

Sorry, that was poorly put. My point was that it added a new feature (variable suspension, sport mode and so on) rather than improving an existing one.

Cody211282 wrote...

Now I know that the game isn't incomplete. I know this peice of DLC is a side thing(or at least I really really hope) but so are the side quests, extra weapons, fish tank, and vangaurd class. I don't need them to complete the game but that doesn't mean it's not part of what was part of the game and since it was being worked on durring the same time should be added in.

You miss my point. By your logic any DLC that appears post-release is morally acceptable simply because it wasn't developed at the same time as the main game. Just because the DLC was developed in parallel doesn't mean it will therefore detract from vanilla ME3.

Cody211282 wrote...

Also I like talking to you more then the other one, I think he might be rabbid.

Why thankyou. :happy:

Your veiw of DLC and mine are a bit diffrent and I'm totoaly ok with that, I just think it's wrong for something that was made at the same time to cost moeny since I'm already paying for it. Then again I am also again the "true end of the game" DLC like Arivial and to a lesser extent LotSB, those both felt like they were ripped out and should have been in the main game.

I'm perfectly fine with them coming back to a project and releasing a cool side quest here or there, like BDTS or GoA to add on to the game. But stripping out story and stuff you have already worked on to jack up the price of the game rubs me wrong.

[Cody211282]

Red Son Rising wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Red Son Rising wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Paying money for something you dont know is going to be worth it is friken insane, it's a sad thing that basicly to get a game anytime near launch you have to shell out money blindly.

and just like that..

so i guess ppl like this know whats in every game they buy before they buy it. somehow. didnt know it was a new thing for ppl to pay full price for a game on launch day theyve never played before either. thought thats how it works

I'm just saying I like to be informed of what I'm getting ito before comitting $60 I cant get back, how the hell is that a bad thing?

seems pretty straight forward to me. ME3 CE got free day one dlc, standard editions dont. if you want more content pony up the cash and get the dlc you want. either way its gonna cost money, BW doesnt owe ppl free anything

Please see my other posts so I dont have to have the same debate on that again, and I'm talking about the ones with Scary Shepard.

[Drake-Shepard]

Cody211282 wrote...

Scary Shepard wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Considering it was being made at the same time the game was being worked on I would say someone decided to take it out, move it to a DLC team to take care of and then not even bother to try to hide it.


I honestly think most people are missing what I'm upset about.

Let me indulge in my car metaphor again.

When I bought my Golf 2 years ago, the nice people at Volkswagen were also offering an additional enhancement to the car called ACC, which would give me variable suspension. When the car was being developed, needless to say the ability to have such technology in the car was also being developed at some expense.

If I was to take it, it would have cost me £1000 extra. However, I did not for one second think that I was entitled to it, simply because I was paying for the initial product. Nor did it occur to me that simply because it was developed along with the car itself, that it was somehow "removed" from the initial design along the way. It was always intended to be optional.

It was an accessory. Additional. I declined because I didn't want it. It didn't devalue the car for me in any way: I still love it to pieces.

This DLC was developed alongside ME3. ME3 will still be functional regardless of whether you buy it- that decision is yours alone to make.

If upon finshing ME3 I decide "wow, this game sure would have felt incomplete without that DLC" then I will gladly retract everything I've said. I'd also eat my hat at the same time mind.

But the ACC probably also cost extra becuase the parts are higher quality, plus they are replacing something with a higher quality product then what is alreay there instead of adding something new to it. This would be like hearing that being able to roll down your windows cost extra(with rolling them back up being a bit more as well).

Now I know that the game isn't incomplete. I know this peice of DLC is a side thing(or at least I really really hope) but so are the side quests, extra weapons, fish tank, and vangaurd class. I don't need them to complete the game but that doesn't mean it's not part of what was part of the game and since it was being worked on durring the same time should be added in.

Also I like talking to you more then the other one, I think he might be rabbid.

thank you. your car analogy makes sense
I was trying to think of a way to explain to my friend clearly. If he doesnt understand this..he never will.

Obviously its not 100% yet..have to wait and play the game. I expect a legion like character that adds alot to the game but the things he explains could of been explained in another way without the character. The writers are good at their jobs... theres 100+ different way they can pass information/content to us if needed.

Or another way to look at it...is the true cost of the game could be 'base game+ day 1 dlc'. They put x amount of investment into a game and it should cost x+ profit amount, which happens to cost more then the average new game. Which is fine...you pay for what you get...but if a game costs more then people shout conspiracy. The added dlc price structure may simply  reflect the true price of the game, whilst allowing new customers that arent that interested an option to buy a stripped down none dlc version of the game. effective price structuring

This is all fine...but for fans, even if the prothean character is not essential, they should of been made aware of this before making their pre-order (atleast they told us with enough time to cancel).

Some people are not as well off and luring them in with the pre-order price and then saying btw your a fan soo this extra dlc is something you will defo want is a low. It's liek going paintballing when the rep tells you that 200 balls is more then enough but then you need to buy 1000.

I have mixed feelings about this. I will play me3 with dlc and decided on weather i will fully trust bioware/ea

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Cody211282 wrote...

Your veiw of DLC and mine are a bit diffrent and I'm totoaly ok with that, I just think it's wrong for something that was made at the same time to cost moeny since I'm already paying for it. Then again I am also again the "true end of the game" DLC like Arivial and to a lesser extent LotSB, those both felt like they were ripped out and should have been in the main game.

I'm perfectly fine with them coming back to a project and releasing a cool side quest here or there, like BDTS or GoA to add on to the game. But stripping out story and stuff you have already worked on to jack up the price of the game rubs me wrong.

Your assuming that was the reason it was stripped out of the story though which isnt always true, every game ever made since the creation of gaming has had story elements stripped out and removed during construction ussualy due to production time constraints. Sure they could have put Arrival and LoTSB into the main ME 2 game, but how long was it after ME 2's release before those 2 DLC were finished? would you have wanted to wait that length of time for the content of those DLC to be completed before you were able to buy the game at all?

What that kind of DLC basicaly does is allows us to not get anymore games like KOTOR II, where development deadlines caused the ending to be chopped up and turned into a pathetic representation of the original idea. That game has tons of content that was in stages of completion that was just cut and removed for time deadlines. The HK factory, the droid planet, etc. DLC like arrival and lotsb are just companies abilities to now go back and finish that content and give it to you.

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or ppl are upset cause they think whining about it will get something for free [i hope it doesnt]

im expecting to get what was advertised.. if you look at the sticky, bioware advertised the game as 'complete, right out of the box'.

well if a CE buyer gets access to story content out of the box  that the SE player has to pay extra for, the SE is not exactly comple is it.

no it isnt.. you can try to tell yourself that it is.. more power to you... it doesnt make the above statement any less true.