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Request To Bioware: Postpone First DLC until End of Year


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Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Not buying the game that EA have decided to milk the cow with is enough. That way, instead of boycotting the entire company and their other great games, they know that it's that part of their business practice that has upset people.

A much more direct and clean way to deal with the situation. Boycotting the company and everything they produce is a stupid and irrational stance.


I'm afraid I have to call bullsh!t on this, Gibb.  The most ethical way to oppose an unethical company is to own nothing made by them, to dispose of what you already may have and go to the competition.

Cherry-picking whilst enjoying everything else the company makes takes away any right to outrage you think you may have.  Calling this minor DLC robbery, unethical and wrong while still owning a half-dozen EA games makes you a hypocrite, plain and simple.  To be a paragon of virtue you must be willing to make the sacrifice.

It's kinda along the lines of buying five pairs of jeans made through the sweatshop labour of children and returning one pair as a "moral stand". That makes you a damned hypocrite.  Period.  And so does the "outrage" over this DLC.

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 25 février 2012 - 12:04 .


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As said earlier and will say again just for emphasis.. No.

Don't kid yourself about this reaction, all this fuss is not about day 1 DLC for most people, they were content with it all this time until they learned about what race it was then started throwing a hissy over it.


Oh, agreed.  But I think it's gone beyond a mere hissyfit.  It's starting to look like a concerted effort to get it without paying for it, for no other reason than some misplaced sense of entitlement.  

Nothing unethical about that, is there?  /sarcasm

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The scale of your boycott should reflect the scale of the offense. This is treating your customers fairly poorly, not helping to prop up a dictator, or using child labour, or anything really bad that would call for a company wide boycott.

Not buying the game is a fairly proportionate response. I'm just going to buy the game later.

Modifié par Wulfram, 25 février 2012 - 12:07 .


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JakeMacDon wrote...
So - I propose that no one get this content.  That way, first day games - CE or SE are - aside from some swag in the box, getting precisely the same experience.  


*sigh*

If you don't want it, don't buy it. Kindly don't take it upon yourself to decide for everyone, thankyou.

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JakeMacDon wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Not buying the game that EA have decided to milk the cow with is enough. That way, instead of boycotting the entire company and their other great games, they know that it's that part of their business practice that has upset people.

A much more direct and clean way to deal with the situation. Boycotting the company and everything they produce is a stupid and irrational stance.


I'm afraid I have to call bullsh!t on this, Gibb.  The most ethical way to oppose an unethical company is to own nothing made by them, to dispose of what you already may have and go to the competition.

Cherry-picking whilst enjoying everything else the company makes takes away any right to outrage you think you may have.  Calling this minor DLC robbery, unethical and wrong while still owning a half-dozen EA games makes you a hypocrite, plain and simple.  To be a paragon of virtue you must be willing to make the sacrifice.

It's kinda along the lines of buying five pairs of jeans made through the sweatshop labour of children and returning one pair as a "moral stand". That makes you a damned hypocrite.  Period.  And so does the "outrage" over this DLC.


Terrible analogy. A correct one would be that there is a company that uses many different means of clothing manafacturing. One day, they choose to use sweat shop labour and sell you that particular pair of jeans so as to save/make money. Returning these jeans and saying "This **** is unnacceptable" gives the clear and distinct impression that you do not approve of how they went about creating this pair of jeans; consequently steering them in the right direction (ideally). Enjoying their other clothing lines that are sold legitmately and fairly while boycotting their **** pulling is in no way hypocritical. It's the best way to handle the situation.

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Theres a reason I dont spend much time in these forums post game launch, full of crazies and lunatics.

PS. I want to point out I'm not calling this specific thread starter a crazy just the commenting that the community is full of them

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muse108 wrote...

Theres a reason I dont spend much time in these forums post game launch, full of crazies and lunatics.


Indeed. I have heard some daft things on these boards, but actually suggesting that everyone have the decision taken out of their hands just because the OP thinks they should is, well.... arrogance doesn't really cover the depth of it.

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I don't get it.

If the DLC is ready for launch, how will withholding it benefit anyone?

Besides, it was advertised as part of the CE so withholding it would be highly unfair to those who bought that edition.

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Candidate 88766 wrote...

I don't get it.

If the DLC is ready for launch, how will withholding it benefit anyone?

Besides, it was advertised as part of the CE so withholding it would be highly unfair to those who bought that edition.


You probably don't get it because the OPs point doesn't make any sense.

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Request denied.

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NO

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I'm basically getting my game for free on amazon anyway so I don't spend 10 bucks on dlc and I brought almost every dlc pack on ME2 so I don't mind buying it

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Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Terrible analogy.
 

 

No - apt.  Those asserting that EA is performing a "criminal" act at worst and an "unethical" act at the least and demanding they get their "entitled" content for free are not taking a moral or ethical stand.  The moral/ethical stand would be to refuse to partake in anything such a near-criminal and unethical company produces - not call it wrong and then demand it anyway as some kind of right.

That is beyond hypocritical.

 
A correct one would be that there is a company that uses many different means of clothing manafacturing. One day, they choose to use sweat shop labour and sell you that particular pair of jeans so as to save/make money. Returning these jeans and saying "This **** is unnacceptable" gives the clear and distinct impression that you do not approve of how they went about creating this pair of jeans; consequently steering them in the right direction (ideally). Enjoying their other clothing lines that are sold legitmately and fairly while boycotting their **** pulling is in no way hypocritical. It's the best way to handle the situation.


Semantics.  You do not send an unambiguous message by saying "I'm wearing everything this company makes except their unethical hankerchief.  That's just wrong, because this was made by Asian children in some sh!thole.  The rest is okay though."  

The company will unsurprisingly ignore your "protest" and go on going on.  If I follow the actual "logic" of this current DLC stupidity, it would be more along the lines of

"I'm wearing all the other products you make, but this hankerchief was made by near-slave labour so I want it for free.  Take that, evil corporate jerks."  

or

"I'm protesting Apple's treatment of Foxconn employees by not using my iPad for a whole day." and continuing to use your desktop, laptop, and iPod, while also proclaiming yourself another victim of Apple's dodgy practices, then pat yourself on the back for being part of a righteous crusade.  Which you can then post to Facebook using your iPhone.

A real ethical stand would be to return those products and buy a PC until they clean up their act, not to demand their next iPod for free in recompense because they "burned" you - which they did not actually do.  

Making a gesture is meaningless - and demanding you get the product of the so-called unethical act for free is not sending a message or chastising anyone.  It simply showcases your own greed and "ethical" shallowness.

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JaegerBane wrote...

muse108 wrote...

Theres a reason I dont spend much time in these forums post game launch, full of crazies and lunatics.


Indeed. I have heard some daft things on these boards, but actually suggesting that everyone have the decision taken out of their hands just because the OP thinks they should is, well.... arrogance doesn't really cover the depth of it.


Read the rest of what I've written since.

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Candidate 88766 wrote...

I don't get it.

If the DLC is ready for launch, how will withholding it benefit anyone?

Besides, it was advertised as part of the CE so withholding it would be highly unfair to those who bought that edition.


Please, read the rest of what I've written since. 

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@BlackStar2011, RogueComplex and Digby and everyone who comes in and just slaps down a quick denial...

Please read the rest of what's be written since. 

Thanks.

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 25 février 2012 - 02:49 .


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Oh for the love of....These threads are getting more and more ridiculous.

This time it's "i don't want to pay the same amount as the CE buyers but it's unfair they get treated better!" um why? They made the investment in support of a franchise they love and deserve any extras they get free. SE buyers are buying just that. The game as standard as it comes. You need to pay for the extras if you want them. Nobody cheated you or decieved you or whatever else you may think. The game and DLC is their property and they have a right to do as they wish with it and sell it how they wish.

If you had an item you sold on Ebay while selling extras that came with it seperately some people may complain that you are trying to make more money but you are within your rights to do so. It's YOURS. Nobody can decide how you sell your own property but you.

Same works for business and their individual creations,franchises,products etc.

Saying people who buy CE and SE should get the same thing is detrimental to those who make the investment for a CE. Personally i'd be a bit pissed off if my CE was exactly the same game as the SE since i paid more for it and specifically ordered the CE for the extra content and not just "swag" in the box.

All it boils down to is the same nonsense that came out of the DA2 signiture edition. Some people pre ordered it on time and some did not and those that did not cried about not getting the free stuff that those that did got.

You didn't want to pre order the CE and pay extra but you want the same stuff for free that the CE got but you can't have it so you make another delusional thread that makes no sense saying CE should have to pay for the same DLC you do even though they already paid for it since they paid more than SE owners.

Take a look in the mirror and honestly ask yourself if you are saying this stuff because you are right or because you want something for free?

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Oh for the love of....These threads are getting more and more ridiculous.

 

I do hope you're referring to a generalized "you" and not me specifically.  If you take the time to read the rest of the thread you will see my actual intent.

For the record, I have already long since ordered my CE copy of ME3.  I guess I'm one of those bastard 1%-ers.  I see nothing particularly wrong with what Bioware has done because I see no real evidence they've done that which they are being accused.  I do see a lot of very hypocritical nonsense being flung about, however.

 
This time it's "i don't want to pay the same amount as the CE buyers but it's unfair they get treated better!" um why? They made the investment in support of a franchise they love and deserve any extras they get free. SE buyers are buying just that. The game as standard as it comes. You need to pay for the extras if you want them. Nobody cheated you or decieved you or whatever else you may think. The game and DLC is their property and they have a right to do as they wish with it and sell it how they wish.

 

'Zackly.

 
If you had an item you sold on Ebay while selling extras that came with it seperately some people may complain that you are trying to make more money but you are within your rights to do so. It's YOURS. Nobody can decide how you sell your own property but you.

Same works for business and their individual creations,franchises,products etc.

 

A cogent point and true, except when it comes to games... we may buy games, but we don't technically own any of them. The game is content.  EA, Bethesda, Blizzard and every other software company out there has something called a EULA that specifically tells you flat-out that they are selling you a licence for that game that grants you the right to access that content - to play it.  You do not now, nor have you ever, owned a single game sitting on your shelf.  Not one.  You got 20 games sitting there - you have 20 licences to play them.  Not a bit of content on that disc belongs to you.  Technically, neither does the box, manual or the DVD either.  You don't own the operating system with which you play.  Even if it crashes and takes all your vital financial records and all the rest - you're screwed, and the company that makes that OS owes you nothing, their crappy coding or not, because you already agreed to the licence.  Insisting you have rights to any of the content Bioware sells you is nonsense.  They own it when they make it, they own it when they sell it to you, they own it when you play it and they own it sitting there in the box on your desk.  Hell, technically, you don't even have rights to that custom Shepard you made.  Your only right is to buy it or not buy it.  Period.

 
Saying people who buy CE and SE should get the same thing is detrimental to those who make the investment for a CE. Personally i'd be a bit pissed off if my CE was exactly the same game as the SE since i paid more for it and specifically ordered the CE for the extra content and not just "swag" in the box.

 

Agreed.  But I'm not actually advocating what you've described here.  All I'm really saying is that until you actually play the damn game and know for certain this DLC changes everything, folks have no right to demand anything from Bioware.  Certainly not to get the DLC for free.

 
All it boils down to is the same nonsense that came out of the DA2 signiture edition. Some people pre ordered it on time and some did not and those that did not cried about not getting the free stuff that those that did got.

You didn't want to pre order the CE and pay extra but you want the same stuff for free that the CE got but you can't have it so you make another delusional thread that makes no sense saying CE should have to pay for the same DLC you do even though they already paid for it since they paid more than SE owners.

Take a look in the mirror and honestly ask yourself if you are saying this stuff because you are right or because you want something for free?


Well, I don't.  It's already included.  Nor did I say that CE owners would pay twice, but simply wait a bit longer. Everyone plays the game without the DLC.  Then everyone could come at this DLC from the same perspective.  This topic got your attention, didn't it?  You say how silly a perfectly reasonable (and it is, as it only requires some patience) suggestion is, and now you can take it and contrast it with the nonsense being burbled everywhere else.

That's all I'm actually trying to do.  It's not perfect, but I think it's worth a shot.

I also liked DA2, (and liked Merrill!) which is pretty much considered tantamount to blasphemy in these forums, so I'm certainly no stranger to controversy. ;)

Modifié par JakeMacDon, 25 février 2012 - 03:40 .


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Ugh, this thread is still going on?

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Short answer: NO

Long answer: NO


Their will be other DLC's to buy. This thread is special. : |

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No. There are other things in the CE besides the DLC.

* Soundtrack -- this is worth something, too.
* Artwork -- the book is worth something.
* whatever else comes with it.

The "From Ashes" DLC doesn't come with that stuff. Sorry.

If they're going to make the DLC stuff exclusive to the CE they need to make a lot more CEs available than they did. That's the bottom line. Sorry. I don't agree.

When you limit something like this a bunch of people with a bunch of money jump online and preorder a bunch and then flip them on ebay for twice what they paid for them. Making the game content via DLC day one available online undercuts that market somewhat.