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[Cody211282]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I always laugh when consumers with the time and money to sink into a $60, 50+ hour luxury item complain of 'exploitation' when asked to pay another $10 on an extension product.

It's about as believable as people who complain of oppression when they're booted from a forum.

you didnt watch the vid did you.

but felt the right to comment anyway



back to the topic though....
the guys spot on,but maybe a little too much confidence in the gaming "community" to think enough will not buy it.

My own reasons for not buying it are different,but still he has a huge point,who likes being milked ?

Cows get pissy if you don't milk them.

[Wardka]

He's absolutely right, but it's a sort of "duh" thing, and what I've been saying all along. The effort may be futile, but for me it's more a matter of sticking to my own principles than any sort of real activism. It doesn't feel ethically right to support EA's business decisions, so I can't in good conscience do it, even if it makes me miss out on a game I'd really like to play.

I don't begrudge other people the game, though. I wish more would take a stand, but that's entirely up to them.

[Furtled]

Xerxes52 wrote...
On a related note, I wonder how long it will be until the gaming industry gets a good consumer watchdog group. It's getting to the point where we need one.

Gamers in the US and Canada already have one in the form of The Entertainment Consumers Association, sadly they don't have anything set-up in Europe.

[bwg888]

I greatly enjoyed reading this, though is wasn't quite an economic revelation in general, but it kinda was for the game industry. As in, the industry has been around long enough where all of this now applies. I've thought about it before, and I just can't bring myself to hate someone for supplying where there's a demand. Lol, I think I'll just stop there though, it's not my major or anything, so I don't know how to put the rest in actual technical terms. Makes sense though

Modifié par bwg888, 24 février 2012 - 07:38 .

[legion999]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I always laugh when consumers with the time and money to sink into a $60, 50+ hour luxury item complain of 'exploitation' when asked to pay another $10 on an extension product.

It's about as believable as people who complain of oppression when they're booted from a forum.

you didnt watch the vid did you.

but felt the right to comment anyway
back to the topic though....
the guys spot on,but maybe a little too much confidence in the gaming "community" to think enough will not buy it.

My own reasons for not buying it are different,but still he has a huge point,who likes being milked?

What video?

[Cody211282]

legion999 wrote...

AJRimmsey wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I always laugh when consumers with the time and money to sink into a $60, 50+ hour luxury item complain of 'exploitation' when asked to pay another $10 on an extension product.

It's about as believable as people who complain of oppression when they're booted from a forum.

you didnt watch the vid did you.

but felt the right to comment anyway
back to the topic though....
the guys spot on,but maybe a little too much confidence in the gaming "community" to think enough will not buy it.

My own reasons for not buying it are different,but still he has a huge point,who likes being milked?

What video?

It was on the first page.

[Mr. C]

I appreciate the non-condescending tone of the author.
I've liked TB for awhile now, but boycotting the entire game seems to be a bit of an over-reaction. It would make more sense to boycott all future DLC instead. People, including myself, will buy ME3 regardless, but I'm not paying extra for content that should have been included in the base game. Hell, I've still not gotten LOTSB or Arrival; for different reasons, but still.

[Mister Mida]

And nothing new was said.

[TheOptimist]

AJRimmsey wrote...

TheOptimist wrote...

Ugh. He still misses the point that
this content would never have been in the original game. If DLC didn't
exist, we'd never have gotten the Prothean at all, he'd be one more item
to have hit the cutting room floor. But atleast he's not yelling about
'deserving' to get DLC for free.

err you are the one missing the point,its a PROTHEAN

unless you havent played 1 and 2,in which case its excusable

What does that have to with anything?  The point is he would never have been in the game if not for DLC. He wasn't cut out, he's something you can add in for $10.  And I've played through both 1 and 2 multiple times.  Still not seeing the big fuss.  And if it IS a big deal that they have an optional Prothean squadmate, why aren't you thanking them for releasing the DLC so quickly, instead of *****ing about how he should have been free?

[Dean_the_Young]

AJRimmsey wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

I always laugh when consumers with the time and money to sink into a $60, 50+ hour luxury item complain of 'exploitation' when asked to pay another $10 on an extension product.

It's about as believable as people who complain of oppression when they're booted from a forum.

you didnt watch the vid did you.

but felt the right to comment anyway

I have this amazing ability to read articles and posts by posters who claim of being oppressed.

You see, reading is this skill in which people can understand the little marks that people put onto paper or a technological equivalent, these marks conveying 'meaning' and 'intent'...

[LiZaRdChaSE]

that was a great read

[Wardka]

Mr. C wrote...

I appreciate the non-condescending tone of the author.
I've liked TB for awhile now, but boycotting the entire game seems to be a bit of an over-reaction. It would make more sense to boycott all future DLC instead. People, including myself, will buy ME3 regardless, but I'm not paying extra for content that should have been included in the base game. Hell, I've still not gotten LOTSB or Arrival; for different reasons, but still.

I don't really think it's an overreaction. The only language EA is willing to speak with its customers is Dollarese, so if you feel strongly enough about one or more issues the only reasonable thing to do is to not give them any money. TB obviously does, and so do I. It's not a terribly big deal anyway - there are far too many games being released to ever have the chance to play, and I'm sure TB has even less time to play games than most of us.

[AkiKishi]

Looks like the mods have woken up.

[Cody211282]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Looks like the mods have woken up.

Run fools, they hunger.

[Matt251287]

That guy flouts his economics degree but only states the bleeding obvious.

Not to mention the transparancy of journalism-101, notice a trend - play devils advocate. Hardly a compelling read.
 
 

We all know that if people didn't buy it, they'd stop making it;

But we still have French Cars
and Reality TV
and Justin Bieber.

The anger is because once a Studio gets marketing-driven in this way, it becomes artisticaly serile. They'll achieve greater sales than ever untill the franchise is all used up. But the less-numerous true gamers will have jumped ship long ago.

I will buy ME3 (for the moment) but not 'From Ashes'

[AlexXIV]

Don't get me wrong, what's wrong with gamers you can see at the preorders. Over a million preorders without even knowing what the game is like. You could as well ask them to rip you off. Basically gamers don't really have a healthy consumer behavior. Gamers are borderline addicts.

[AkiKishi]

AlexXIV wrote...

Don't get me wrong, what's wrong with gamers you can see at the preorders. Over a million preorders without even knowing what the game is like. You could as well ask them to rip you off. Basically gamers don't really have a healthy consumer behavior. Gamers are borderline addicts.

That's why they give pre-order bonuses and limit CE's so even if the game sucks they already have your money.

I've never been that way so lucky me I guess.

[AJRimmsey]

AlexXIV wrote...

Don't get me wrong, what's wrong with gamers you can see at the preorders. Over a million preorders without even knowing what the game is like. You could as well ask them to rip you off. Basically gamers don't really have a healthy consumer behavior. Gamers are borderline addicts.

borderline ?

I have seen smackheads who want to see what they are buying before paying

[Draconis6666]

If your going to look at DLC from an economic standpoint its honestly quite rediculous to try and claim that Video game companies are "ripping people off" like alot of people do. This argument ignores key elements of economics like supply and demand, and more that that it ignores Inflation. Video games are a luxury good, which is traditionally the markets most impacted by inflation, however over the last 15 or so years Video game prices have not risen considerably. In fact if you look at the $ value of a video game now vs what it cost in 1999 your actually paying LESS value for your game than you were then, back when you didn't even get DLC and the content just got cut out completely.

This makes the argument a little murky if your only point is that they are ripping people off, if thats true then they were ripping people off well before DLC. Even then the argument is somewhat odd, since when you give a video game company say $10 for a 3 hour DLC that you can play multiple times your getting far more for your money than paying $10 for a movie ticket to see a 2 1/2 hour movie once.

The issue is that people have come to expect different things from different forms of entertainment. Consumers have been somewhat spoiled by the low cost of video games in relation to other luxury markets, which leads some people to feel that these companies exploring other ways to increase their revenue, something they are obligated to do since they are publicly traded companies with shareholders. That they are somehow ripping you off, when the truth is they have every right to charge you more for the whole game, Games cost more to make now than they ever have, and yet you pay less for the game now than you ever did before and yet still people complain that they have the OPTION to CHOSE to buy additional content.

[AkiKishi]

Draconis6666 wrote...

If your going to look at DLC from an economic standpoint its honestly quite rediculous to try and claim that Video game companies are "ripping people off" like alot of people do. This argument ignores key elements of economics like supply and demand, and more that that it ignores Inflation. Video games are a luxury good, which is traditionally the markets most impacted by inflation, however over the last 15 or so years Video game prices have not risen considerably. In fact if you look at the $ value of a video game now vs what it cost in 1999 your actually paying LESS value for your game than you were then, back when you didn't even get DLC and the content just got cut out completely.

This makes the argument a little murky if your only point is that they are ripping people off, if thats true then they were ripping people off well before DLC. Even then the argument is somewhat odd, since when you give a video game company say $10 for a 3 hour DLC that you can play multiple times your getting far more for your money than paying $10 for a movie ticket to see a 2 1/2 hour movie once.

The issue is that people have come to expect different things from different forms of entertainment. Consumers have been somewhat spoiled by the low cost of video games in relation to other luxury markets, which leads some people to feel that these companies exploring other ways to increase their revenue, something they are obligated to do since they are publicly traded companies with shareholders. That they are somehow ripping you off, when the truth is they have every right to charge you more for the whole game, Games cost more to make now than they ever have, and yet you pay less for the game now than you ever did before and yet still people complain that they have the OPTION to CHOSE to buy additional content.

Yes they are ripping you off. It's a backdoor way of increasing the price of games because they know the mass market will do a big StuffU if they tried to do it transparently by increasing the base price by £10.

[LinksOcarina]

AlexXIV wrote...

Don't get me wrong, what's wrong with gamers you can see at the preorders. Over a million preorders without even knowing what the game is like. You could as well ask them to rip you off. Basically gamers don't really have a healthy consumer behavior. Gamers are borderline addicts.

Are we talking about the pre-orders for Mass Effect 3 specificially with that number?

If so, the only reason I even pre-ordered the game, besides the fact that I wanted to finish the trilogy I have already invested in, was the extra character. No idea who it was, and honestly it didn't matter who either; the point for me was the additional lore, storyline, and squad customization it brings.

But that is me, and I see myself as being a  typical fan and consumer in that regard,they made a product that appeals to me, and I decided to act upon it.

[TheStoner]

Draconis6666 wrote...

If your going to look at DLC from an economic standpoint its honestly quite rediculous to try and claim that Video game companies are "ripping people off" like alot of people do. This argument ignores key elements of economics like supply and demand, and more that that it ignores Inflation. Video games are a luxury good, which is traditionally the markets most impacted by inflation, however over the last 15 or so years Video game prices have not risen considerably. In fact if you look at the $ value of a video game now vs what it cost in 1999 your actually paying LESS value for your game than you were then, back when you didn't even get DLC and the content just got cut out completely.

This makes the argument a little murky if your only point is that they are ripping people off, if thats true then they were ripping people off well before DLC. Even then the argument is somewhat odd, since when you give a video game company say $10 for a 3 hour DLC that you can play multiple times your getting far more for your money than paying $10 for a movie ticket to see a 2 1/2 hour movie once.

The issue is that people have come to expect different things from different forms of entertainment. Consumers have been somewhat spoiled by the low cost of video games in relation to other luxury markets, which leads some people to feel that these companies exploring other ways to increase their revenue, something they are obligated to do since they are publicly traded companies with shareholders. That they are somehow ripping you off, when the truth is they have every right to charge you more for the whole game, Games cost more to make now than they ever have, and yet you pay less for the game now than you ever did before and yet still people complain that they have the OPTION to CHOSE to buy additional content.

I am sorry to say that I am starting to find it hard to take you seriously. You are treating the issue almost as a spin doctor. You talk about economics and ignore that game have a vastly higher consumer base and can now ake more money off video games than before.

[Draconis6666]

TheStoner wrote...
 I am sorry to say that I am starting to find it hard to take you seriously. You are treating the issue almost as a spin doctor. You talk about economics and ignore that game have a vastly higher consumer base and can now ake more money off video games than before.

Whats your point?  that doesnt mean anything at all your saying that they should be obigated to charge you less as a consumer simply because they can sell to more people which isnt true. If anything the fact that there are more people who demand the good means that they are able to raise the price of the good. Higher demand should = higher prices but instead you pay the same monetary value or close to it that you did 10 years ago even though demand has increased.

You act like these companies are raking in billions of dollars a year and yet most of them are struggling to even show profit on an annual basis. Yet you accuse them of ripping you off for a luxury good that when you have oil companies raking in profits of 10 billion dollars in the first quarter alone

[robmokron]

awesome , just plain awesome sauce from outer space

[CerberusSoldier]

I'm buying it but the whining over this needs to end none of you cry babies run EA or control the ME Ip .