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[Farbautisonn]

I like the article. I think its balanced and interesting.

However for EA it must be like a kick in the groin. Because whilst "the industry" that tries to test our love for games is being mentioned in general terms, the author singles out EA again as a company with a somewhat... tarnished... reputation. Being named the prima facae figurehead of the people who suck gamers dry and exploit the loyalty of gamers... isnt really what EA needs. Its a reputation they have been trying to dodge for years.

[Monochrome Wench]

Larac wrote...

TheOptimist wrote...

Ugh. He still misses the point that this content would never have been in the original game. If DLC didn't exist, we'd never have gotten the Prothean at all, he'd be one more item to have hit the cutting room floor. But atleast he's not yelling about 'deserving' to get DLC for free.

WRONG

It was in the leaked "OLD Scripts"
It was always pat of the story, Bioware Lied to you.

Lee

WRONG

It was in the leaked "OLD Scripts"
It was part of the old story, which they decided didn't work so they removed it
Bioware didn't lie to you

[Moonshadow_Dark]

Farbautisonn wrote...

I like the article. I think its balanced and interesting.

However for EA it must be like a kick in the groin. Because whilst "the industry" that tries to test our love for games is being mentioned in general terms, the author singles out EA again as a company with a somewhat... tarnished... reputation. Being named the prima facae figurehead of the people who suck gamers dry and exploit the loyalty of gamers... isnt really what EA needs. Its a reputation they have been trying to dodge for years.

Unlike Activision. They ENJOY looking like the villian.

[Farbautisonn]

SkyeHawk89 wrote.... You people should be grateful you even get something..

-No. We should expect to get what we pay for. And we should expect to get that at the same quality and style as we are used to. At the very least.

If you start ignoring your core competances and your core clientbase in the middle of a global fiscal recession then you are basically daring your core clientbase to leave you. Thats not a very good idea.

[KMYash]

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

I don't understand some people. I will buy anything Mass Effect related depending what it is. I think for C.E things should be kept exclusive. You people should be grateful you even get something. The more The Better. If you sent a complete game with no DLC it would get boring fast.

Well not everyone can afford the CE version either way I don't think I've seen anyone fault people who bought CE. One of my main things is the price of the DLC, which I know isn't the craziest price out there but it something I'm uncomfortable with.  If you were to break it down the CE edition would be providing From Ashes for cheaper than ten dollars considering all the stuff you're getting with it.

I do have a problem with you saying that we should be grateful for getting something. Ideally the company should be grateful to have a lot of people buying their game. 

Also I happen to remember a few preDLC day games that STILL aren't boring. So saying a complete game w/o DLC would get boring fast is wrong.

[nickkcin11]

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

I don't understand some people. I will buy anything Mass Effect related depending what it is. I think for C.E things should be kept exclusive. You people should be grateful you even get something. The more The Better. If you sent a complete game with no DLC it would get boring fast.

Almost the way I feel. I thought I was going to get screwed over by not being able to receive the character or the more likely scenario, they would make it DLC (which is what happened).  The CEs were too rare and sold out too fast to have exclusive DLC content. That's unfair. And no, a game without DLC isn't necessarily bad. Or boring. But DLC does add a replay value.

Modifié par nickkcin11, 25 février 2012 - 01:24 .

[Farbautisonn]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Unlike Activision. They ENJOY looking like the villian.

-EA makes Actvision, Microsoft and Bethsoft look like amateurs. And EA still has a worse rep. Origin, Westwood, Bullfrog. Some of us are old enough to remember those names and those games. Some of us remember the IPs. Some of us can see the difference in the IPs from back when they were innovative and interesting, to now where the story is a flimsy excuse for pew pew. Case in point, Syndicate.

And then we come here and find that "our" company, Bioware, the market gold standard for storydriven games, moves away from story and toward pew pew. EA style. 

That is not very reassuring.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Unlike Activision. They ENJOY looking like the villian.

-EA makes Actvision, Microsoft and Bethsoft look like amateurs. And EA still has a worse rep. Origin, Westwood, Bullfrog. Some of us are old enough to remember those names and those games. Some of us remember the IPs. Some of us can see the difference in the IPs from back when they were innovative and interesting, to now where the story is a flimsy excuse for pew pew. Case in point, Syndicate.

And then we come here and find that "our" company, Bioware, the market gold standard for storydriven games, moves away from story and toward pew pew. EA style. 

That is not very reassuring.

I knew EA was bad news when they kept releasing the same football game twice a year for $60. Tom Brady looks freaking amazing but the crowd looks awful. What, are we playing the Superbowl in Runescape?

[Elvis_Mazur]

From now on it's: BioMoney.

[nickkcin11]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Unlike Activision. They ENJOY looking like the villian.

-EA makes Actvision, Microsoft and Bethsoft look like amateurs. And EA still has a worse rep. Origin, Westwood, Bullfrog. Some of us are old enough to remember those names and those games. Some of us remember the IPs. Some of us can see the difference in the IPs from back when they were innovative and interesting, to now where the story is a flimsy excuse for pew pew. Case in point, Syndicate.

And then we come here and find that "our" company, Bioware, the market gold standard for storydriven games, moves away from story and toward pew pew. EA style. 

That is not very reassuring.

This is actually true.
I've never had a problem with Microsoft as a game publisher though. With Xbox live and stuff, yeah, they're a pain in the ass. But when it comes to game publishing they are willing to make a game that isn't just 100% action and cliches. They don't make devs cut corners. Take a look at Halo 3 and Halo Reach. Forge and Theator mode were probably a waste of money from a pure profit outlook. But they made a core group of fans really happy. And they published ME1 which doesn't feel like it's a mass market game at all. It's all story before gameplay. Which is the balance that I wish more people took.

[PrinceLionheart]

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

I don't understand some people. I will buy anything Mass Effect related depending what it is. I think for C.E things should be kept exclusive. You people should be grateful you even get something. The more The Better. If you sent a complete game with no DLC it would get boring fast.

The big problem is that once a company knows you eat their DLC up, they'll start stripping down stuff that really should be in  the main game. Capcom is the worst offender of this IMHO.

[Rulycar]

$10,000 on Farmville?
What prevents that from being profiteering?

[Aaleel]

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

I don't understand some people. I will buy anything Mass Effect related depending what it is. I think for C.E things should be kept exclusive. You people should be grateful you even get something. The more The Better. If you sent a complete game with no DLC it would get boring fast.

This kind of mentality is exactly why businesses do some of the things they do, because they know there are people who think that they're the privileged ones to be spending their hard earned money.

When in actuality, businesses are the pivileged ones when people chose to spend their hard earned money on their product. 

[Red Son Rising]

Aaleel wrote...

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

I don't understand some people. I will buy anything Mass Effect related depending what it is. I think for C.E things should be kept exclusive. You people should be grateful you even get something. The more The Better. If you sent a complete game with no DLC it would get boring fast.

This kind of mentality is exactly why businesses do some of the things they do, because they know there are people who think that they're the privileged ones to be spending their hard earned money.

When in actuality, businesses are the pivileged ones when people chose to spend their hard earned money on their product. 

the only ppl that lose in this situation are the gamers who think theyre 
1: too [blank] to pay for day one dlc
2: too [blank] to walk into gamestop and preorder the CE
3: too [blank] to use origin to play on pc

anyway you cut it [insert almost anything in the blanks] gamers lose. the devs get paid regardless because [tada] some ppl dont care about other gamers and just wanna have fun with a game they enjoy

[Il Divo]

Aaleel wrote...

SkyeHawk89 wrote...

I don't understand some people. I will buy anything Mass Effect related depending what it is. I think for C.E things should be kept exclusive. You people should be grateful you even get something. The more The Better. If you sent a complete game with no DLC it would get boring fast.

This kind of mentality is exactly why businesses do some of the things they do, because they know there are people who think that they're the privileged ones to be spending their hard earned money.

When in actuality, businesses are the pivileged ones when people chose to spend their hard earned money on their product. 

I don't see either group as being privileged. Business provides service- I either consider service worth the price or I don't. There is no privilege to it.

[Comsky159]

If you're buying the DLC then however much you grumble about ethics stands irrelevant; you're an accessory to this sales approach.
If you are boycotting then I applaud your principles as an honest consumer.

Personally I really want this DLC and I'm going to buy the collectors edition. Bioware should count themselves fortunate that so many are willing to sell their souls for this game.

To EA...well...just **** you.

[TCBC_Freak]

I agree with the guy at Forbes. I love his car analogy. I've been making it and other here on the forums and else where for years, it's about time someone else with a real chance to get heard thought it up. We need to keep this towards the top of the forum and point anyone arguing the DLC thing here. Maybe the discussion can start to be real and not about petty junk once we get people thinking clearly about what the real problem is or isn't.

[Ravenmyste]

JaegerBane wrote...

Eragondragonrider wrote...

So True, think the Skyrim CE reached that peak though 150 was just way to much.

To be fair, the Skyrim CE was probably the daftest thing Bethesda have ever released. £130 for a plastic dragon statue, a book, and a CD, plus the £25 game.

There was no way on planet earth that such a release made any sense.

yeah i saw that looked at  and said to my self why would i buya plastic statue was the stupist thing i ever saw

[Moonshadow_Dark]

nickkcin11 wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Unlike Activision. They ENJOY looking like the villian.

-EA makes Actvision, Microsoft and Bethsoft look like amateurs. And EA still has a worse rep. Origin, Westwood, Bullfrog. Some of us are old enough to remember those names and those games. Some of us remember the IPs. Some of us can see the difference in the IPs from back when they were innovative and interesting, to now where the story is a flimsy excuse for pew pew. Case in point, Syndicate.

And then we come here and find that "our" company, Bioware, the market gold standard for storydriven games, moves away from story and toward pew pew. EA style. 

That is not very reassuring.

This is actually true.
I've never had a problem with Microsoft as a game publisher though. With Xbox live and stuff, yeah, they're a pain in the ass. But when it comes to game publishing they are willing to make a game that isn't just 100% action and cliches. They don't make devs cut corners. Take a look at Halo 3 and Halo Reach. Forge and Theator mode were probably a waste of money from a pure profit outlook. But they made a core group of fans really happy. And they published ME1 which doesn't feel like it's a mass market game at all. It's all story before gameplay. Which is the balance that I wish more people took.

Xbox LIVE gets a free pass because it was nothingcompared to the fiasco that was Windows 98.

OH GOD WINDOWS 98! WHY ARE YOU SO CRUEL!?!

[Ravenmyste]

nickkcin11 wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Unlike Activision. They ENJOY looking like the villian.

-EA makes Actvision, Microsoft and Bethsoft look like amateurs. And EA still has a worse rep. Origin, Westwood, Bullfrog. Some of us are old enough to remember those names and those games. Some of us remember the IPs. Some of us can see the difference in the IPs from back when they were innovative and interesting, to now where the story is a flimsy excuse for pew pew. Case in point, Syndicate.

And then we come here and find that "our" company, Bioware, the market gold standard for storydriven games, moves away from story and toward pew pew. EA style. 

That is not very reassuring.

This is actually true.
I've never had a problem with Microsoft as a game publisher though. With Xbox live and stuff, yeah, they're a pain in the ass. But when it comes to game publishing they are willing to make a game that isn't just 100% action and cliches. They don't make devs cut corners. Take a look at Halo 3 and Halo Reach. Forge and Theator mode were probably a waste of money from a pure profit outlook. But they made a core group of fans really happy. And they published ME1 which doesn't feel like it's a mass market game at all. It's all story before gameplay. Which is the balance that I wish more people took.

wow  you just rang the nostalgia bell for me i remember all those studios before and after ea grabbed westwood and killed it..

[Ravenmyste]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

nickkcin11 wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Unlike Activision. They ENJOY looking like the villian.

-EA makes Actvision, Microsoft and Bethsoft look like amateurs. And EA still has a worse rep. Origin, Westwood, Bullfrog. Some of us are old enough to remember those names and those games. Some of us remember the IPs. Some of us can see the difference in the IPs from back when they were innovative and interesting, to now where the story is a flimsy excuse for pew pew. Case in point, Syndicate.

And then we come here and find that "our" company, Bioware, the market gold standard for storydriven games, moves away from story and toward pew pew. EA style. 

That is not very reassuring.

This is actually true.
I've never had a problem with Microsoft as a game publisher though. With Xbox live and stuff, yeah, they're a pain in the ass. But when it comes to game publishing they are willing to make a game that isn't just 100% action and cliches. They don't make devs cut corners. Take a look at Halo 3 and Halo Reach. Forge and Theator mode were probably a waste of money from a pure profit outlook. But they made a core group of fans really happy. And they published ME1 which doesn't feel like it's a mass market game at all. It's all story before gameplay. Which is the balance that I wish more people took.

Xbox LIVE gets a free pass because it was nothingcompared to the fiasco that was Windows 98.

OH GOD WINDOWS 98! WHY ARE YOU SO CRUEL!?!

hehe i know right bring back windows 3.1

[BaronIveagh]

I agree with the author, and, unlike most people, have cancelled all my EA orders and joined TB. I would see you all stand up and say no, but sadly, I think that many of you will do as the author points out and give in.

Modifié par BaronIveagh, 25 février 2012 - 05:23 .

[B33ker]

HonestJoe wrote...

The controversy surrounding the From Ashes DLC has attracted
the attention of a multitude of online sources. The latest to weigh in is Paul
Tassi at Forbes.com, with an article entitled:

Why the Exploitation of Gamers is Our Own Damn Fault.

In it he gives an insightful interpretation of EA’s
marketing policy, and the mindset of the gamer community in general.

Regardless of your opinion regarding this DLC, I recommend
taking the time to look it over. It may cause you to rethink how you view the
issue.



www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2012/02/24/why-the-exploitation-of-gamers-is-our-own-damn-fault-2/

That article pretty much says what I've said for years now (and in other threads on this very forum).  Unless we as consumers say no, and stop buying the stuff they're nickle and diming us on, nothing will ever change.

We have the power to force change, but we never use it, not in the quantity needed to get corporations to care.  So what if 100,000 people don't buy ME3 because of the launch day DLC, there are over 1,000,000 who will buy it without even thinking, and they'll buy up every piece of DLC that gets put out as well.  As a result, EA has no reason to change their practices and they'll keep it up as long as they can.  They don't care as long as they get our money, which is only logical since they are in business to make money.  The problem we should have is how they're getting it from us.

Problem is, to get change, you're going to have to go without.  This current generation has no clue how to do that.  They're too used to getting what they want without thinking about what it's costing them, and others.