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[Aggie Punbot]

Say goodnight, Manual.

[nickkcin11]

Rudy Lis wrote...

nickkcin11 wrote...

Are people seriously complaining over the lack of a manual?

Manuals could be different. I still remember Fallout 1 manual, IMHO very "immersive".
And you can put them in PDF form and save the trees, bees, snales, whales for future annihilation hunt cuisine research program.

That was a long ass time ago. I thought we were comparing the lack of manuals to games made in this milennium, then decade, then year.
As I recall, games like Wasteland (basically an older Fallout) used a manual type thing to add more content while not making the actual game too large (In a memory sense. Words currently fail me but hopefully you get the point). That isn't really a problem anymore.

[Rudy Lis]

AlanC9 wrote...

Honestly, I prefer having the lore presented in-game if you can do it. Sure, Dragon Age could have had a manual as big as an Ultima, but I prefer game the way it is.

Agree on that.
Plus, I think simulation games should have manual. Or very thorough tutorial. Because not all of gamers have RL experience in certain areas.
Of course entry levels could be option-adjusting, like in Il-2, for example, but good tutorial never hurts.

AlanC9 wrote...

Actually, boxes would be nice, even if there's nothing in them. Much more fun to find a box under the Christmas tree than a card in your stocking.

Box mades of plastic or paper. Both ways it killing planet!

/irony.

nickkcin11 wrote...

That was a long ass time ago. I thought we were comparing the lack of manuals to games made in this milennium, then decade, then year.
As I recall, games like Wasteland (basically an older Fallout) used a manual type thing to add more content while not making the actual game too large (In a memory sense. Words currently fail me but hopefully you get the point). That isn't really a problem anymore.

I still think that manual is game dependant issue. Casual games with low entry level could have built-it tutorial and "help" section. The more serious game is, the higher entry level gets, so you need more studying.
Plus, I think, some sort of manual or "lore" pages, appearing while game is loaded, could only increase immersion. And I don't think it's bad.

Modifié par Rudy Lis, 24 février 2012 - 11:30 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Rudy Lis wrote...

kongenial wrote...

Manual? - Too expensive. Prolonged support? - Too expensive.

If it continues at this rate you will not be able to buy a physical copy rather than an empty box with just a code in it to be activated and downloaded through various tools. Gotta love it. 

Box? Box too expensive. Just code.

You go into a store to buy a game, nothing on shelves, just a man or woman at a desk (if lucky). You tell them name of game, they tell you price, swipe your card across desk and out prints a phone number on the receipt. You ring that phone number and they give you a code, that code you put into client on your computer or console and at which time it downloads and you can play.

 

Alternatively you can just buy online.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 24 février 2012 - 11:28 .

[AtreiyaN7]

TS2Aggie wrote...

Say goodnight, Manual.

*snicker*

[hellsjarhead]

I love game manuals lol toilet reading material but I guess I can live without, although I'm a bit disappointed I must say.

[AlanC9]

Rudy Lis wrote...
Agree on that.
Plus, I think simulation games should have manual. Or very thorough tutorial. Because not all of gamers have RL experience in certain areas.
Of course entry levels could be option-adjusting, like in Il-2, for example, but good tutorial never hurts.

YYeah -- either you need a tone of flight school levels or a real manual. Strategy games probably need manuals too.

[The Executioner]

All i can say is i don't like it and i'm glad i preordered the guide.

[Rudy Lis]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

You go into a store to buy a game, nothing on shelves, just a man or woman at a desk (if lucky). You tell them name of game, they tell you price, swipe your card across desk and out prints a phone number on the receipt. You ring that phone number and they give you a code, that code you put into client on your computer or console and at which time it downloads and you can play.

Too expensive. Just kiosk. Like those bank terminals. Who needs human salesperson if we still don't talk IRL anymore, just guddamn online!

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Alternatively you can just buy online.

No, think about challenge! About people health! You have to go to kiosk, you have to walk, to dress up (well, you can go in underwear, actually). Good morning stroll rarely hurts.

AlanC9 wrote...

YYeah -- either you need a tone of flight school levels or a real manual. Strategy games probably need manuals too.

SimCity or Capitalism require them too. Not sure if they fit "strategy" genre, for me strategy it's not some CnC alike RTS, it's something more like Hearts of Iron.
And Wargames. They NEED manuals.

[Eternal Phoenix]

No manual for 360?

Father, I am disappoint.

[Deathbringer769]

Chris Priestly wrote...

The manual is included in game for all players for ease of use. This allows players to find the manual if they wish at any point that they need this.

I fail to see how this is a bad thing?

Of course you don't. Anything to cut costs and save money must be a good thing. <_<

[Mahrac]

Deathbringer769 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

The manual is included in game for all players for ease of use. This allows players to find the manual if they wish at any point that they need this.

I fail to see how this is a bad thing?

Of course you don't. Anything to cut costs and save money must be a good thing. <_<

right, because not being able to loose teh manuel is bad for us

[Guesswhotoo]

I love how guy says he only read one of my posts and then claims to know what i'm about. classy.

if you really wanna know why this bothers me, might i suggest reading the first 3 pages? very informative - and then you wont have to say i'm idiotic.

Modifié par Guesswhotoo, 25 février 2012 - 01:02 .

[Il Divo]

Haven't manuals been non-existent for like the last two years or so?

[AtreiyaN7]

Guesswhotoo wrote...

I love how guy says he only read one of my posts and then claims to know what i'm about. classy.

if you really wanna know why this bothers me, might i suggest reading the first 3 pages? very informative - and then you wont have to say i'm idiotic.

Who, me? 

• I'm a female, not a "guy."
• I didn't say you were idiotic. I said your initial post was idiotic. There's a big distinction.
• In my much lengthier response, I indicated that I wasn't going to bother with the rest of your posts because your initial post left such a bad impression. Why on Earth should I wade through the rest of your drivel?
• I notice that you didn't bother to respond to my lengthy response - probably because you can't actually defend
  yourself other than to respond with childish insults.
• I don't care why it bothers you at this point. I pointed out that I was a fan of manuals back in the day but that these are different times.
• Oh, that lengthy response of mine is on page 8 for the record. But feel free to ignore it and continue in making thinly-veiled references to me that include no actual defense/good explanation of your initial post or a refutation of the points that I later made.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 25 février 2012 - 01:18 .

[Il Divo]

Guesswhotoo wrote...

I love how guy says he only read one of my posts and then claims to know what i'm about. classy.

if you really wanna know why this bothers me, might i suggest reading the first 3 pages? very informative - and then you wont have to say i'm idiotic.

I read 'em. It's pretty bad.  

[Bendok]

Chris Priestly wrote...

The manual is included in game for all players for ease of use. This allows players to find the manual if they wish at any point that they need this.

I fail to see how this is a bad thing?

Cant read it on the toilet.

Thats about the only downside.lol

[Il Divo]

Bendok wrote...

Cant read it on the toilet.

Thats about the only downside.lol

Or upside, depending on how you look at it. That's how I originally lost my Morrowind GOTY edition manual.

Modifié par Il Divo, 25 février 2012 - 01:13 .

[Nathan Redgrave]

hotdogbsg wrote...

The state of anger that BSN is in lately, I took this as a serious complaint for a few seconds.

Shame on you.

[G3rman]

Considering the rest of your posts are just you complaining about how games suck without paper manuals, there really isn't much new information to glean on.

Broken record.

[ediskrad327]

i am more annoyed by the fact that modern videogaming loves to make microscopic letters in the games (Crysis 2 being a good example of this)

Modifié par ediskrad327, 25 février 2012 - 01:15 .

[Il Divo]

ediskrad327 wrote...

i am more annoyed by the fact that modern videogaming loves to make microscopic letters in the games (Crysis 2 being a good example of this)

It's obviously a deal with the companies which make eye glasses. They pay Bioware to do it, so more people have trouble seeing.

[Legion64]

Fallout 3 manual. Man that baby had everything you needed to play Fallout 3. No wonder it was called "Vault Dwellers survival guide". I keep that manual on my shelf in a case. So beautiful.

[MarchWaltz]

Chris Priestly wrote...

The manual is included in game for all players for ease of use. This allows players to find the manual if they wish at any point that they need this.

I fail to see how this is a bad thing?

Personally, I am an old school gamer, meaning all the games I played long ago came with great books. I read them while I was taking ****s. This is sadly not the case anymore. Games are coming with thinner manuels, I finish them off before pushing out the first dump.

I remember the morrowind manuel took me a while.

Man, those were the times.

This is the reaosn why I am getting the collectors edition guide. For my **** reading.

[didymos1120]

Yeah...we didn't need to know all that.