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[Dragoonlordz]

nevar00 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

I won't be canceling my pre-order.

For those who want to boycott, boycott the DLC (if that's your issue). If people don't buy the DLC, but buy the game, it demonstrates to the marketing teams and publisher that people do support the ME games, but do not support the practice of day 1 DLC handled in such a manner. It sends a clearer message.

Except that isn't the entire issue.

A lot of people feel that we are getting an incomplete game.  The Protheans were built up to be a huge part of the lore of the game.  Finding a living one should have been a huge part of the series.  Instead it was brushed off as DLC.  

My problem with people using that phrase is that your not getting an incomplete game, You may get a game that due to factors such as this lowers your enjoyment of it and would have increased enjoyment if present but it is still a complete game. Yes it is mere semantics but it is an extreme case of implication by using that term rather than finding another more appropriate phrase or word which is more inline with how it really is.  

[spirosz]

I don't hear anything.

[Candidate 88766]

AgentWhale wrote...

I won't be buying it. I don't know if that constitutes a boycott.

Seems a lot of you don;t care about these issues, and this will affect me, because if you guys keep spending money on all this **** gaming will get more and more expensive, with more and more nickel and dime tactics by EA;s marketeers.

*sigh*

I feel so helpless.

Gaming is going to get more expensive anyway.

Firstly, you have inflation.
Secondly, given the current economic climate, even large businesses may start to suffer and so need to raise prices.
Thirdly, games are going to get more expensive to develop due to better hardware - gamers will rightly demand better graphics, physics and AI, and this will increase the cost of games.

Gaming is going to get more expensive no matter what you do. You may as well enjoy ME3. Given that the Xbox version of ME3 alone already has over 800,000 pre-orders in NA and Europe, you and a few hundred people here boycotting is meaningless. Even if a few thousand boycott, it will make no difference. Zilch.

If you want to take a stand against something, it seems worth doing it against something more important than the price of videogames. 

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 24 février 2012 - 08:16 .

[Loreshield]

There are pretty good points on BOTH sides of the argument, but ultimately, personally?

No. I'll get this SOB on launch.

[Pappi]

No way, looking forward to playing the game.

[Daywalker315]

AgentWhale wrote...

I won't be buying it. I don't know if that constitutes a boycott.

Seems a lot of you don;t care about these issues, and this will affect me, because if you guys keep spending money on all this **** gaming will get more and more expensive, with more and more nickel and dime tactics by EA;s marketeers.

*sigh*

I feel so helpless.

Inflation + piracy + used games cutting into profits = DLC. Simple as that. Games became $60 back in 2005 with the new era of consoles and have stayed that way. Inflation since then should rightfully make those games about $73 now if they were tracking with the inflation of most every other product. I feel like the industry has done well to keep games at $60 even though their profits are being cut into and budgets are forced to be higher due to higher wages and cost of creating content going up. If that means they get creative with ways to make a little extra money off of dedicated consumers, so be it. I'd rather have optional DLC and them be able to make enough money to make more of it (or a new game) than see my favorite studios shutter or create poor games due to lack of funds.

[Daywalker315]

Also, hell no I won't be boycotting. Signature proves that. I only wish I could speed up time.

[nevar00]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

I won't be canceling my pre-order.

For those who want to boycott, boycott the DLC (if that's your issue). If people don't buy the DLC, but buy the game, it demonstrates to the marketing teams and publisher that people do support the ME games, but do not support the practice of day 1 DLC handled in such a manner. It sends a clearer message.

Except that isn't the entire issue.

A lot of people feel that we are getting an incomplete game.  The Protheans were built up to be a huge part of the lore of the game.  Finding a living one should have been a huge part of the series.  Instead it was brushed off as DLC.  

My problem with people using that phrase is that your not getting an incomplete game, You may get a game that due to factors such as this lowers your enjoyment of it and would have increased enjoyment if present but it is still a complete game. Yes it is mere semantics but it is an extreme case of implication by using that term rather than finding another more appropriate phrase or word which is more inline with how it really is.  

Except it isn't always that easy.  There are a LOT of things that can be removed from Mass Effect, leaving the skeleton of just the single most important characters and missions that revolve around stopping the Reapers.  The Human/Batarian and Quarian/Geth conflicts, the Council, every squadmate from ME2... just because those can be missing doesn't mean we are still getting the complete experience

Take Star Wars for example.  You could still have the very basic rebels vs empire story without Han Solo and Darth Vader.  That doesn't mean you aren't still missing two massive pieces of the series. 

The Protheans in the first two games were built up to be extremely important.  As I said finding a living one should be as big if not bigger than Legion in ME 2.  Either the Bioware staff really screwed up, or they tried screwing us (and have succeeded for the most part as I'm still getting the CE despite how I feel about it).

Had the Prothean been in the game or downloadable to all from the start and had generic human male marine companion #3 Vega been the Day 1 DLC, there would have been almost no backlash.

Modifié par nevar00, 24 février 2012 - 08:20 .

[royard]

Davidicus wrote...

Anaraky wrote...

Yes, but I decided a while back to not buy from Bioware and EA anymore so it isn't a knee-jerk reaction. The way a company treats its customers is actually kind of a big deal to me. That doesn't seem to be the popular opinion though.

It's a popular opinion amongst forum-dwellers who have nothing better to do than to complain (not saying you're one, but that's the fact). When push comes to shove, as evidenced by this thread, most people will make a rational decision of buying content based on its quality and how much they want it, not based on the company/publisher that's making it. While the latter are definitely factors, in most cases, they should not be determining factors in a purchase of an entertainment product (in my opinion).

Well.  Back in the days cosmetic products never bothered with the "no animal testing" silly thing.  Now a lot of them do.  Apparently people do care about those things beyond bare quality. 

[TwistedComplex]

Looking forward to amazon selling it for 20$ a week after launch when everyone realizes it's Dragon Age 2 vol. 2.





PS: I still won't buy it

[casedawgz]

Nope. Most likely gonna buy all the DLC. I've replayed ME2 like 12 times, its more than justified the cost of all the dlc at this point. I have no doubt I will feel the same way about the next game.

[Daywalker315]

nevar00 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

I won't be canceling my pre-order.

For those who want to boycott, boycott the DLC (if that's your issue). If people don't buy the DLC, but buy the game, it demonstrates to the marketing teams and publisher that people do support the ME games, but do not support the practice of day 1 DLC handled in such a manner. It sends a clearer message.

Except that isn't the entire issue.

A lot of people feel that we are getting an incomplete game.  The Protheans were built up to be a huge part of the lore of the game.  Finding a living one should have been a huge part of the series.  Instead it was brushed off as DLC.  

My problem with people using that phrase is that your not getting an incomplete game, You may get a game that due to factors such as this lowers your enjoyment of it and would have increased enjoyment if present but it is still a complete game. Yes it is mere semantics but it is an extreme case of implication by using that term rather than finding another more appropriate phrase or word which is more inline with how it really is.  

Except it isn't always that easy.  There are a LOT of things that can be removed from Mass Effect, leaving the skeleton of just the single most important characters and missions that revolve around stopping the Reapers.  The Human/Batarian and Quarian/Geth conflicts, the Council, every squadmate from ME2... just because those can be missing doesn't mean we aren't getting the complete game still.

Take Star Wars for example.  You could still have the very basic rebels vs empire story without Han Solo and Darth Vader.  That doesn't mean you aren't still missing two massive pieces of the series. 

The Protheans in the first two games were built up to be extremely important.  As I said finding a living one should be as big if not bigger than Legion in ME 2.  Either the Bioware staff really screwed up, or they tried screwing us (and have succeeded for the most part as I'm still getting the CE despite how I feel about it).

Had the Prothean been in the game or downloadable to all from the start and had generic human male marine companion #3 Vega been the Day 1 DLC, there would have been almost no backlash.

Correct, there wouldn't have been much backlash. But that was never their plan. Personally, I'm grateful I got such a cool addition to my collector's edition copy. I feel appreciated as a customer for supporting them.

However, just because you feel like a single Prothean will be important doesn't make it so. ME3 is a story about taking down the Reapers. One single Prothean will not play an active role in this. His people already got their asses kicked 50,000 years ago. One of them isn't going to win the war. If it's important to YOU to have him to learn a little more about the Protheans with his crazy African voice, you're more than welcome to buy it and play it. Without it, however, your ability to kick Reaper ass (or let them kick yours) won't change one bit.

I direct you to this most recent tweet from Casey Hudson:
"The Prothean DLC character is really cool, but not at all critical to the main story. #ME3 centers on the Reapers, not the Protheans."

[DaJe]

yes.
I wait for a complete version. No interest in sorting through crap mountains of DLC.

[Daywalker315]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Looking forward to amazon selling it for 20$ a week after launch when everyone realizes it's Dragon Age 2 vol. 2.





PS: I still won't buy it

Have fun with that.

[Dragoonlordz]

nevar00 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

nevar00 wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

I won't be canceling my pre-order.

For those who want to boycott, boycott the DLC (if that's your issue). If people don't buy the DLC, but buy the game, it demonstrates to the marketing teams and publisher that people do support the ME games, but do not support the practice of day 1 DLC handled in such a manner. It sends a clearer message.

Except that isn't the entire issue.

A lot of people feel that we are getting an incomplete game.  The Protheans were built up to be a huge part of the lore of the game.  Finding a living one should have been a huge part of the series.  Instead it was brushed off as DLC.  

My problem with people using that phrase is that your not getting an incomplete game, You may get a game that due to factors such as this lowers your enjoyment of it and would have increased enjoyment if present but it is still a complete game. Yes it is mere semantics but it is an extreme case of implication by using that term rather than finding another more appropriate phrase or word which is more inline with how it really is.  

Except it isn't always that easy.  There are a LOT of things that can be removed from Mass Effect, leaving the skeleton of just the single most important characters and missions that revolve around stopping the Reapers.  The Human/Batarian and Quarian/Geth conflicts, the Council, every squadmate from ME2... just because those can be missing doesn't mean we aren't getting the complete game still.

Take Star Wars for example.  You could still have the very basic rebels vs empire story without Han Solo and Darth Vader.  That doesn't mean you aren't still missing two massive pieces of the series. 

The Protheans in the first two games were built up to be extremely important.  As I said finding a living one should be as big if not bigger than Legion in ME 2.  Either the Bioware staff really screwed up, or they tried screwing us (and have succeeded for the most part as I'm still getting the CE despite how I feel about it).

Had the Prothean been in the game or downloadable to all from the start and had generic human male marine companion #3 Vega been the Day 1 DLC, there would have been almost no backlash.

You are getting a complete game, a complete game is one that has been produced and works as intended.

Unfortunately there would still be a backlash as this is BSN after all. The content the Prothean provides as far as lore and aspects might cover are in the game, this was hinted at from Jennifer @ Bioware. Your moaning about having him tag along with you as a squad mate and interacting with the character rather than the lore and exposition he provides. Once again...

Possible Spoiler Content 

>Random Guy (of little importance) There's a theory going around that whatever you could've learned from this Prothean is already part of the core game, you don't need the DLC to get that content. What you do need this DLC for is to bring him along for the ride.
I'm inclined to believe this, to be honest. But we won't know for certain until the game comes out.

>Jessica (Bioware) No spoilers from me, but you may be on the right train of thought with that

[IBPROFEN]

The only DLC I had a problem with was the AP packs,one that tick me off was the one with garrus why do I have to pay to fix his armor. IMO that was a waste of money period, but ppl gobbled them up.
I agree that DLC is and should be always optional meaning it isn't needed to complete the game itself.
As for CO-OP in ME3 its going to have DLC know EA it will be 3 to 5 map packs for 15.99 as most multiplayers are now days. So I will not be buying them either(haven't on my FPS games). Its just a waste.
Why not sell a mod tool set for the games instead and let the community mod the games for free it worked very well in early COD and Novalogic games. the example that fits here would be VooDoo Medic(COD/UO) that how the zombies got put in later games by devs.

[Daywalker315]

TheStoner wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

gorgogorn wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

I won't be canceling my pre-order.

For those who want to boycott, boycott the DLC (if that's your issue). If people don't buy the DLC, but buy the game, it demonstrates to the marketing teams and publisher that people do support the ME games, but do not support the practice of day 1 DLC handled in such a manner. It sends a clearer message.

This!

That rational approach on BSN tends to bounce off people like rubber vs glue.

I have no personal intention of boycotting anything as this does not offend me in the slightest, I consider it their right to distribute their products how they wish, people have the right to choose to accept and buy the product on offer or not. I hate entitlement and principle of "they owe us", I detest that approach in fact. 

The product on offer is the complete product, the only factual way it would not be complete is if physically impossible to reach the end without something or glitch in coding. This is not the case here.

Do you even know what entitlement is? Someone who actually thought they were entitled to the dlc they would literally demand the dlc. Not complain not try to boycott but demand. An entitlement is something people try to get laws passed to obtain this is nothing like that.

In fairness, a lot of people have been demanding they get the DLC for free or they will cancel their pre-order. That sounds a lot like a sense of entitlement. Or at least extortion.

[Wulfram]

I'm doing a wussy half assed "boycott" of the main game - I'll buy it, but only when it's cheaper.

I don't buy DLC anyway, not at Bioware DLC prices, so it's hard for me to say I'm boycotting that. If it got a 75% off sale, I might consider it.

[slimgrin]

The only DLC I might get is if they added really good co-op maps. Defintiely won't be paying for any sp DLC.

[Unpleasant Implications]

The Enforcer OS wrote...

Personally, No, I intend to buy the game, and any Single player DLC.

I will not be buying any MP DLC or playing the mode until local support is added. Otherwise I'll buy everything I can.

Since I started in the Shepard Trilogy I'll see it through, but I imagine this will be the last Bioware game I purchase, unfortunately.

Pretty much this, except only because none of Bioware's other games really appealed to me except Sonic Chronicles.

Modifié par Unpleasant Implications, 24 février 2012 - 08:32 .

[Pupuppu]

Buying it - used and investing elsewhere. Showing some appreciation to EA marketing efforts.