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[Nicator]

MewtwoJosh wrote...
The only thing you can't defeat 1v1 are the Guardians.

Actually you can. You just have to, and here comes the big surprise, charge them. The timing can be off, so they'll just melee you when you appear in front of them, but most of them time their shields will be knocked back, exposing their heads. It's very much possible to kill up to two guardians at once this way.

[Hoki]

count_4 wrote...

Hoki wrote...
I did not know this about nova.. that sounds like a very good idea.
Wish I would have gotten double nova now.. is there a way to respecialize?

Not in the demo.
As for not knowing: Try actually reading the texts in the Powers screen next time. 

magnuskn wrote...
Just tried another silver and, well, we died during wave six. Because one of my teammates ran frontally into a turret and we all died trying to rescue him.

 

You do realize that the stupidity is more on your part than on his, right?

Is there a way to delete my character or do I need to create another account?
I'm not getting any luck with unlocking anything other than human female vanguard.

[Delta_V2]

Nicator wrote...

MewtwoJosh wrote...
The only thing you can't defeat 1v1 are the Guardians.

Actually you can. You just have to, and here comes the big surprise, charge them. The timing can be off, so they'll just melee you when you appear in front of them, but most of them time their shields will be knocked back, exposing their heads. It's very much possible to kill up to two guardians at once this way.

Yep, I do that on a regular basis w/ my vanguard.  Charge, followed by two headshots with my scimitar = two dead guardians.  Only problem is when charge doesn't stagger them.  Be prepared to look like an idiot when you charge the same guy four times trying to knock his shield out of the way.

[Deaddude56]

KROGAN SMASH! I headbutt the crap outta everything!

[PHILtheCANADIAN]

My vangaurd has gotten over 75,000 points on silver


every gold game I played I was on top also, but I've never beaten it because my team mates don't do as well

edit: also, gaurdians are easy to take out. Just use shockwave

Modifié par PHILtheCANADIAN, 25 février 2012 - 12:47 .

[Jestina]

A lot of morons replied, knowing zero about vanguard I see. And yes, I can play vanguard...better than the nova spamming tards i've seen that die constantly.

Modifié par Jestina, 25 février 2012 - 01:11 .

[Nicator]

Jestina wrote...

A lot of morons replied, knowing zero about vanguard I see. And yes, I can play vanguard...better than the nova spamming tards i've seen that die constantly.

Well you sure proved them all wrong. Randomly throwing around with insults and asserting your personal expierience as valid evidence sure great are indicators of your intellectual superiority.

[Jestina]

Nicator wrote...

Jestina wrote...
A lot of morons replied, knowing zero about vanguard I see. And yes, I can play vanguard...better than the nova spamming tards i've seen that die constantly.

Well you sure proved them all wrong. Randomly throwing around with insults and asserting your personal expierience as valid evidence sure great are indicators of your intellectual superiority.

I posted the results of one of my silver games yesterday, so go blabber to someone that cares.

[Kusy]

Nonsense. Krogan Soldier speced only for melee combat is perfectly usable on Gold. On Bronze and Silver you get most kills because you just pounce from one enemy to the other and one hit them.

Actually, the only thing on Bronze that you can't kill with one heavy melee is an Atlas and a Guardian.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 25 février 2012 - 01:43 .

[ndw542]

How does one derive such satisfaction and such a sense of superiority from a video game? I mean, sure, I can understand being proud of doing well, but is such snarky doucheness really justified by dominating the second-highest difficulty of a demo?

[Melra]

Wut...? Sounds like a L2P issue, as usual...

[dw99027]

Nova effectively reduces your Charge cooldown by more than a second just by making you invulnerable for its duration. It should be used with impunity, just not ALWAYS.

[redBadger14]

Jestina wrote...

A lot of morons replied, knowing zero about vanguard I see. And yes, I can play vanguard...better than the nova spamming tards i've seen that die constantly.

The people that die constantly are the ones that don't know how to play Vanguard period. Its not the Charge/Nova combo, which is the best thing to do as a Vanguard. 

I have my Vanguard at level 20, specced with Charge 6 (100% restore), Nova 6 (Pierce upgrade), Shockwave 4, Alliance 6 (Weapon Weight reduction), and Fitness 4. He is equipped with a Scimitar V shotgun and a Shuriken VIII SMG, with around 175% power recharge speed.

So, my Nova not only knocks back enemies, but it demolishes shields, barriers, *and* armor. Plus, my Charge is upgraded with a massive power damage/force increase after a Charge, making Nova even more powerful. 

Turrets I can Charge then Nova and kill them before they even get a shot off, and any enemies nearby will take massive damage from the Nova, giving me that window of time for Charge to cooldown without taking damage, and then when its ready Charging into someone else to bring my Barriers all the way back up. Its also all about the timing; using Nova right after a Charge isn't the best thing to do, but rather waiting a second or two to Nova will also mean less time before you need to Charge (in regards to the cooldown). If you time Charge and Nova combos perfectly, you can Charge and Nova back to back alternating constantly, without taking damage (because enemies are stunned) while dealing out massive damage yourself. In some cases, you can take on an Atlas one-on-one using soley Charge and Nova and your shotgun and take it out rather quickly. You of course have to move around though or else the Atlas will grab and squish you.

So, while your methods may very well work for you, it's not very effective for anyone else. The most effective method is making frequent use of Charge and Nova, without becoming overzealous with Charging into masses of enemies. You claiming it doesn't work is just plain wrong, because clearly it works for everyone else who knows how to effectively use Charge and Nova combos without dying. Maybe you can't do it right. I don't know.

So, don't go around acting like you know everything about Vanguard when you clearly don't. There are methods that work and don't work, and Charge/Nova combos are proven to be very, very effective and have a very low death rate for those who know how to work the combo.

[magnuskn]

Jestina wrote...

A lot of morons replied, knowing zero about vanguard I see. And yes, I can play vanguard...better than the nova spamming tards i've seen that die constantly.

So, your way of playing is now the One True Way and everybody else is just wrong? 

Or maybe taking different evolutions breeds different playstyles. Half Nova Vanguards have different priorities.

Note however, that I am not taking issue with you saying that people should play smart. I disagree with your assessment that using Nova sparingly is the way to go for every flavor of Vanguard.

[Jestina]

Well, you're not smart to inform everyone new to the class to spam charge/nova. You should instruct them properly, otherwise they are basically useless when they no longer have a glitch to exploit.

[magnuskn]

Jestina wrote...

Well, you're not smart to inform everyone new to the class to spam charge/nova. You should instruct them properly, otherwise they are basically useless when they no longer have a glitch to exploit.

Uh, and now you are assuming that invulnerability while charging/nova'ing is a glitch? What is it with you lately? Do we need intra-Vanguard warfare, besides having Butthurt11 and some others dumping on our class?

[Jestina]

Well what are they going to do if they can't use the nova crutch in the release version?

So we now instruct people by saying...oh just spam this and you'll be okay?

[magnuskn]

No, we say "That is how the class works". If the developers listen to the incessant whining of other classes and change how Vanguards work, then we tell new players how the class works *then*. But telling them now that using Charge/Nova is badwrongfun! is not the way to go, if properly specced.

And, hey, I am not trying to tell you that your way of playing is wrong, please don't misunderstand. I am often enough sitting back and sniping with my scoped pistol, during extraction and hacking missions. I am not leaving my teammates to die to get a few more kills. But with Half Nova, doing Charge/Nova/Nova is completely viable. Doesn't mean that it is an Iwin-Button and the only way to play, but it's not a wrong playstyle.

Of course it doesn't work until you've actually leveled Charge and Nova to a decent level, so *new* new players should play a bit more circumspect.

Modifié par magnuskn, 25 février 2012 - 06:51 .

[Omega-202]

Charge,Heavy Melee and Nova with minimal gun use are the way to go with the Vanguard. Anyone who indicates otherwise has no idea what they're talking about.

A smart and quick player who knows what they're doing will be able to kill faster than any other class and have no problem surviving.

And to Jestina: nobody cares about your performance on Silver. I haven't lost a Silver round on my Vanguard since last week and I've only been beat out for points once. Charge/Nova works even on Gold, no problem. The immunity frames are not a glitch or a crutch, they're there by design.

[magnuskn]

See, that is the wrong way to discuss, Omega. Jestina has a way of playing which works for her, so it's fine. We have another way of playing, which also is fine. We don't need to be slinging petty insults to and fro, really we don't.

[Jestina]

It's a crutch if that is all you rely on, and doesn't mean you know the class...if that's all you do.

[magnuskn]

Oh, whatever. Beat each other up if you want. :-/

[Nicator]

Jestina wrote...
I posted the results of one of my silver games yesterday, so go blabber to someone that cares.

All that self-righteous anger and indignation of yours gave me the impression that you do care. You must be a good actor then, being able to get so convincingly emotional for the sake of absolutely nothing.
I have had games with Infiltrators who coulödn't use a sniper rifle, but that's a rather inadequate reason to call everyone who doesn't spec their infilatrator for CQC a moron, is it now?

[redBadger14]

Jestina wrote...

It's a crutch if that is all you rely on, and doesn't mean you know the class...if that's all you do.

I think magnuskn said things perfectly that I may have left out. I don't know how you can keep calling Charge and Nova a crutch; why else would we have the abilities? Its senseless to not use them, but at the same time its pointless to use them senselessly. There's a proper technique to do something, especially where Charge/Nova combos are concerned. 

Vanguard is the close-quarters designated class, and to be successful you need to use all the powers in a way that makes you successful. If people here are doing that in different ways, what's to argue about? There is no crutch, its how the class is played. I could just as easily say your way of playing is a crutch because you are staying back more so you don't take as much damage; but I won't, because that's a viable way of playing the class, so long as you use your abilities in a way that makes sense to help the team.

So don't go around calling people stupid for doing things that work. It's needless.

And magnus is also right, Charge and Nova won't work properly until you have leveled it more, at least to 5 on each. So yeah, newbies won't be able to effectively implement the Charge/Nova combos, but they will once they have leveled enough.

[Jestina]

Button spamming is a crutch for people with little skill. I don't rely on that myself so your logic is way off.