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[tobajas]

I dont quite get where your getting the info that Shepard is a Lieutenant Commander since their all calling him Commander since the first game and ranks are usually told in full or they some times say LT Commander, also in the demo they call both Ashley and Kaiden for Lieutenant Commander which proves my point that the full rank is said as they are called Lieutenant Commander while Shepard is called Commander.

Also it is often hinted at that a spectre superseeds any previous military ranks while some spectres like shepard choses to still remain to some part in their previous military. Another thing is that spectres probably rank themselves by how long they have been a spectre like how in the first game Saren when spoken to by Nihlus he speaks like talking to a ranking officer. This is all speculation but Shepards rank apears to be higher then Ashley's or Kaidens.

Also hackett used to be admiral of the fifth fleet but if he is like in the ranks of today which seems likely he's been promoted from Admiral to Admiral of the fleet which is the highest naval rank in the US army.
Here in Sweden we have Admiral as the highest in the navy, while we have a position which roughly translates as the Commander-In-Chief who commands over the naval, army and air force here in Sweden.

Modifié par tobajas, 28 février 2012 - 01:50 .

[DPSSOC]

DeadPoolMK wrote...
So I guess my question is this: considering all that Shepard's done for the galaxy, why hasn't he/she received a single promotion in all that time?

Starting very shortly (1 month) after Battle of Citadel you were:
Dead
Terrorist
Fugitive
Prisoner

Much as Shep may deserve a promotion s/he hasn't been in a position to receive one.

[Genraku]

I was under the impression that Shepherd was always a full commander, since hew as slated to be the XO of the SR1 Normandy under Anderson at the beginning of Me1,granted there isn't anything preventing a LT. Commander from being XO.

Who knows, maybe they'll hand-wave it away saying Anderson simply reinstated Shep at the rank of Commander if his previous rank was anything else.

[DPSSOC]

Genraku wrote...

I was under the impression that Shepherd was always a full commander, since hew as slated to be the XO of the SR1 Normandy under Anderson at the beginning of Me1,granted there isn't anything preventing a LT. Commander from being XO.

Commander isn't an actual rank in the Alliance military.  There are Lieutenant and Staff Commanders but there isn't a straight up Commander.  Shepard's referred to as Commander because 1 it sounds better and 2 the Lieutenant and Staff are really only necessary for clarification.  If you were addressing both a Lieutenant and Staff Commander and weren't familliar with their names, or simply chose not to use them, you'd specify but if it were a Staff Commander and a Corporal or Lieutenant the clarification is unnecessary.

[DeadPoolX]

Re: Hackett and rank -- As I said before, my concept of their rank stripes may not be accurate. I was merely extrapolating what little information there is regarding visual rank insignia.

Like some have said, Hackett may have unique insignia because he's a Fleet Admiral. Once again, no one really has any real idea, because the simple lack of standardization in rank stripes/insignia by BioWare is confusing.

Re: Shepard's rank of LCDR -- If you look at the Mass Effect Wiki entry on Shepard, you'll see he's listed as a Lieutenant Commander.

I agree that it's odd NO ONE seems to refer to him as "Lieutenant Commander" and only "Commander." It's made worse by the fact there is no "Commander" rank, simply "Lieutenant Commander" and then "Staff Commander." In both cases, however, the rank could be abbreviated to "Commander."

Modifié par DeadPoolMK, 28 février 2012 - 05:37 .

[CerberusSoldier]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

anmiro wrote...

My point was that Major does not out rank Lt. Commander. They are both O-4 in the officer rank structure. I am going to assume that Shepard will still be the Commander of the Normandy in ME3, if thats the case and Kaiden is a member of his crew, it doesnt matter who has the higher rank, because Shepard has the higher station.

Except that the system Alliance does not use whatever ranking system you are refrencing there. From the codex:

OFFICERS

• 2nd Lieutenant
• 1st Lieutenant
• Staff Lieutenant
• Lieutenant Commander
• Staff Commander
• Captain/Major
• Rear Admiral/General
• Admiral
• Fleet Admiral

Shepard may command the Normandy, but he doesn't have any right to give orders to Kaidan, who could leave the ship at any time. Not only does he outrank Shepard, he's also a Spectre.

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[*]  Thats a flat out lie a Comannding officer and captain can tell anyone on board a  ship what to do because they are under the command of the Commanding officer who is also the captian . now Bioware can screw around with other stuff . but one thing they should have gotten straight was the military ranks . Oh and spectre status means nothing on board a military ship . when Kaiden or Ashley as well Liara , Joker , Garrus , James Vega , and the crew are under the command of Commander Shepard . Shepard is the commanding officer and Captain of the SR 2 and he is in charge . 

[CerberusSoldier]

DeadPoolMK wrote...

Re: Hackett and rank -- As I said before, my concept of their rank stripes may not be accurate. I was merely extrapolating what little information there is regarding visual rank insignia.

Like some have said, Hackett may have unique insignia because he's a Fleet Admiral. Once again, no one really has any real idea, because the simple lack of standardization in rank stripes/insignia by BioWare is confusing.

Re: Shepard's rank of LCDR -- If you look at the Mass Effect Wiki entry on Shepard, you'll see he's listed as a Lieutenant Commander.

I agree that it's odd NO ONE seems to refer to him as "Lieutenant Commander" and only "Commander." It's made worse by the fact there is no "Commander" rank, simply "Lieutenant Commander" and then "Staff Commander." In both cases, however, the rank could be abbreviated to "Commander."

  


He gets the rank of Commander at the end of the earth part in ME 3 when the SR 2 picks him up from Anderson.  

[DeadPoolX]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

DeadPoolMK wrote...

Re: Hackett and rank -- As I said before, my concept of their rank stripes may not be accurate. I was merely extrapolating what little information there is regarding visual rank insignia.

Like some have said, Hackett may have unique insignia because he's a Fleet Admiral. Once again, no one really has any real idea, because the simple lack of standardization in rank stripes/insignia by BioWare is confusing.

Re: Shepard's rank of LCDR -- If you look at the Mass Effect Wiki entry on Shepard, you'll see he's listed as a Lieutenant Commander.

I agree that it's odd NO ONE seems to refer to him as "Lieutenant Commander" and only "Commander." It's made worse by the fact there is no "Commander" rank, simply "Lieutenant Commander" and then "Staff Commander." In both cases, however, the rank could be abbreviated to "Commander."

  


He gets the rank of Commander at the end of the earth part in ME 3 when the SR 2 picks him up from Anderson.  

There is no Commander rank, only Lieutenant Commander and Staff Commander.  While both can be shortened to simply "Commander" there's no indication of which Anderson was directly referring to in this case. 

Even before, in ME1, Anderson called Shepard "Commander" and not "Lieutenant Commander," despite the latter being his rank at the time.

[CerberusSoldier]

Genraku wrote...

I was under the impression that Shepherd was always a full commander, since hew as slated to be the XO of the SR1 Normandy under Anderson at the beginning of Me1,granted there isn't anything preventing a LT. Commander from being XO.

Who knows, maybe they'll hand-wave it away saying Anderson simply reinstated Shep at the rank of Commander if his previous rank was anything else.

   


No he was never the rank of Commander it seems as in 3 he finally gets the rank of Commander from the alliance. they screwed up anyway by calling him Commander in 1 and 2 when did not even hold the rank of Commander .

[DeadPoolX]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

Genraku wrote...

I was under the impression that Shepherd was always a full commander, since hew as slated to be the XO of the SR1 Normandy under Anderson at the beginning of Me1,granted there isn't anything preventing a LT. Commander from being XO.

Who knows, maybe they'll hand-wave it away saying Anderson simply reinstated Shep at the rank of Commander if his previous rank was anything else.

   


No he was never the rank of Commander it seems as in 3 he finally gets the rank of Commander from the alliance. they screwed up anyway by calling him Commander in 1 and 2 when did not even hold the rank of Commander .

All Anderson did was tell Shepard that he was reinstated, which doesn't imply a promotion in any way.  Like I said before, there's no way to really tell what Anderson meant when he said "Commander" because that rank doesn't exist in the Alliance military; only Lieutenant Commander and Staff Commander.

[CerberusSoldier]

DeadPoolMK wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

DeadPoolMK wrote...

Re: Hackett and rank -- As I said before, my concept of their rank stripes may not be accurate. I was merely extrapolating what little information there is regarding visual rank insignia.

Like some have said, Hackett may have unique insignia because he's a Fleet Admiral. Once again, no one really has any real idea, because the simple lack of standardization in rank stripes/insignia by BioWare is confusing.

Re: Shepard's rank of LCDR -- If you look at the Mass Effect Wiki entry on Shepard, you'll see he's listed as a Lieutenant Commander.

I agree that it's odd NO ONE seems to refer to him as "Lieutenant Commander" and only "Commander." It's made worse by the fact there is no "Commander" rank, simply "Lieutenant Commander" and then "Staff Commander." In both cases, however, the rank could be abbreviated to "Commander."

  


He gets the rank of Commander at the end of the earth part in ME 3 when the SR 2 picks him up from Anderson.  

There is no Commander rank, only Lieutenant Commander and Staff Commander.  While both can be shortened to simply "Commander" there's no indication of which Anderson was directly referring to in this case. 

Even before, in ME1, Anderson called Shepard "Commander" and not "Lieutenant Commander," despite the latter being his rank at the time.

   


Check the character creation page in the demo he is listed as CDR which stands for Commander not Lt CDR . yeah well that is even wrong as well not having the ranks right . I hope and pray they stay away from  military ranks in their next game since they have idea on how they work or how to use them . Even Star Trek got the ranks correct and proper . but hey like Skyrim I am sure this game will get a pass on its bad things . They have no idea how to do a chain of command properly.  they suck at the small details in a game

[DeadPoolX]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

DeadPoolMK wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

DeadPoolMK wrote...

Re: Hackett and rank -- As I said before, my concept of their rank stripes may not be accurate. I was merely extrapolating what little information there is regarding visual rank insignia.

Like some have said, Hackett may have unique insignia because he's a Fleet Admiral. Once again, no one really has any real idea, because the simple lack of standardization in rank stripes/insignia by BioWare is confusing.

Re: Shepard's rank of LCDR -- If you look at the Mass Effect Wiki entry on Shepard, you'll see he's listed as a Lieutenant Commander.

I agree that it's odd NO ONE seems to refer to him as "Lieutenant Commander" and only "Commander." It's made worse by the fact there is no "Commander" rank, simply "Lieutenant Commander" and then "Staff Commander." In both cases, however, the rank could be abbreviated to "Commander."

  


He gets the rank of Commander at the end of the earth part in ME 3 when the SR 2 picks him up from Anderson.  

There is no Commander rank, only Lieutenant Commander and Staff Commander.  While both can be shortened to simply "Commander" there's no indication of which Anderson was directly referring to in this case. 

Even before, in ME1, Anderson called Shepard "Commander" and not "Lieutenant Commander," despite the latter being his rank at the time.

   


Check the character creation page in the demo he is listed as CDR which stands for Commander not Lt CDR . yeah well that is even wrong as well not having the ranks right . I hope and pray they stay away from  military ranks in their next game since they have idea on how they work or how to use them . Even Star Trek got the ranks correct and proper . but hey like Skyrim I am sure this game will get a pass on its bad things . They have no idea how to do a chain of command properly.  they suck at the small details in a game

Yeah, it says CDR, but that doesn't mean anything in this case because the rank itself, in so far as the Alliance military is concerned, does not exist. 

If they were using modern Navy rank structure, I'd agree with you, but they aren't.  I wish they were since it'd make everything a lot easier to understand.  I don't know why BioWare felt the need to concoct some weird amalgamation of Navy and Army/Air Force/Marine ranks, but they did and all it does is make matters more confusing.

[CerberusSoldier]

DPSSOC wrote...

Genraku wrote...

I was under the impression that Shepherd was always a full commander, since hew as slated to be the XO of the SR1 Normandy under Anderson at the beginning of Me1,granted there isn't anything preventing a LT. Commander from being XO.

Commander isn't an actual rank in the Alliance military.  There are Lieutenant and Staff Commanders but there isn't a straight up Commander.  Shepard's referred to as Commander because 1 it sounds better and 2 the Lieutenant and Staff are really only necessary for clarification.  If you were addressing both a Lieutenant and Staff Commander and weren't familliar with their names, or simply chose not to use them, you'd specify but if it were a Staff Commander and a Corporal or Lieutenant the clarification is unnecessary.

   


Its stupid and ilogical but hey since Bioware has no idea on how to do the chain of Command right than I as a player have no desire or interest in following the orders of the fake ass military known as the alliance in 3 . well the ranks are wrong and a complete and utter joke . so since i see it as a joke I will treat Hackett and anderson as a joke . Thank god for developers like Infinity Ward and EA's Danger Close who understand and respect the military ranks and chain of command . Bioware should stick to fantasy games since their idea of mlitary command is so stupid its not even funny .

[DeadPoolX]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

Genraku wrote...

I was under the impression that Shepherd was always a full commander, since hew as slated to be the XO of the SR1 Normandy under Anderson at the beginning of Me1,granted there isn't anything preventing a LT. Commander from being XO.

Commander isn't an actual rank in the Alliance military.  There are Lieutenant and Staff Commanders but there isn't a straight up Commander.  Shepard's referred to as Commander because 1 it sounds better and 2 the Lieutenant and Staff are really only necessary for clarification.  If you were addressing both a Lieutenant and Staff Commander and weren't familliar with their names, or simply chose not to use them, you'd specify but if it were a Staff Commander and a Corporal or Lieutenant the clarification is unnecessary.

   


Its stupid and ilogical but hey since Bioware has no idea on how to do the chain of Command right than I as a player have no desire or interest in following the orders of the fake ass military known as the alliance in 3 . well the ranks are wrong and a complete and utter joke . so since i see it as a joke I will treat Hackett and anderson as a joke . Thank god for developers like Infinity Ward and EA's Danger Close who understand and respect the military ranks and chain of command . Bioware should stick to fantasy games since their idea of mlitary command is so stupid its not even funny .

In general, I agree with you.  However, BioWare did create the ME universe, so they have the right to make whatever screwed up rank system they desire.

In addition, ME takes place in "the future" so it's possible that the ranks could be merged or rearranged in some manner by this time.  I don't see why anyone would really want to do this, but ranks have fallen out of use, been eliminated or changed in the past, so it's definitely possible.

[Callsign_Jester]

They could have hired me as a military structural advisor for the price of free 99. Just saying. But yeah it is a tad obnoxious trying to wrap your head around, so I choose to ignore it when it makes my brain hurt.

[DPSSOC]

CerberusSoldier wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

Genraku wrote...

I was under the impression that Shepherd was always a full commander, since hew as slated to be the XO of the SR1 Normandy under Anderson at the beginning of Me1,granted there isn't anything preventing a LT. Commander from being XO.

Commander isn't an actual rank in the Alliance military.  There are Lieutenant and Staff Commanders but there isn't a straight up Commander.  Shepard's referred to as Commander because 1 it sounds better and 2 the Lieutenant and Staff are really only necessary for clarification.  If you were addressing both a Lieutenant and Staff Commander and weren't familliar with their names, or simply chose not to use them, you'd specify but if it were a Staff Commander and a Corporal or Lieutenant the clarification is unnecessary.

   


Its stupid and ilogical but hey since Bioware has no idea on how to do the chain of Command right than I as a player have no desire or interest in following the orders of the fake ass military known as the alliance in 3 . well the ranks are wrong and a complete and utter joke .

 
Ok I've seen this before and I have to ask; how does Bioware get a chain of command they made up wrong?  I understand how it could be jarring to those with knowledge of the military but the simple fact is that the Systems Alliance is not any existing military organization; it's a collaborative effort between muiltiple nations, each of which has it's own rank structure.  With that in mind is it really surprising that the Alliance doesn't use a rank structrure you're familliar with?

[DeadPoolX]

DPSSOC wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

Genraku wrote...

I was under the impression that Shepherd was always a full commander, since hew as slated to be the XO of the SR1 Normandy under Anderson at the beginning of Me1,granted there isn't anything preventing a LT. Commander from being XO.

Commander isn't an actual rank in the Alliance military.  There are Lieutenant and Staff Commanders but there isn't a straight up Commander.  Shepard's referred to as Commander because 1 it sounds better and 2 the Lieutenant and Staff are really only necessary for clarification.  If you were addressing both a Lieutenant and Staff Commander and weren't familliar with their names, or simply chose not to use them, you'd specify but if it were a Staff Commander and a Corporal or Lieutenant the clarification is unnecessary.

   


Its stupid and ilogical but hey since Bioware has no idea on how to do the chain of Command right than I as a player have no desire or interest in following the orders of the fake ass military known as the alliance in 3 . well the ranks are wrong and a complete and utter joke .

 
Ok I've seen this before and I have to ask; how does Bioware get a chain of command they made up wrong?  I understand how it could be jarring to those with knowledge of the military but the simple fact is that the Systems Alliance is not any existing military organization; it's a collaborative effort between muiltiple nations, each of which has it's own rank structure.  With that in mind is it really surprising that the Alliance doesn't use a rank structrure you're familliar with?

I don't think the real issue is whether or not BioWare is wrong (like you said, they created the ME universe, so they can make whatever they want), but rather so very inconsistant. 

Shepard is supposed to be a Lieutenant Commander, yet everyone refers to him as Commander.  However, there's no plain Commander rank, just Lieutenant Commander and Staff Commander (both of which could be shortened to Commander in conversation).  It's made even more confusing in the character creator where it lists Shepard's rank as CDR -- no L or S in front of it. 

Finally, there's Ashley and Kaidan.  If Kaidan was the VS, Anderson distinctly refers to him as "Staff Commander Alenko" in ME2.  Likewise, if Ashley is the VS, you'll hear him call her "Lieutenant Commander Williams" several times in ME3.

I'd just like BioWare to keep consistant.  If they're going to make up ranks, then don't let your writers turn it into a confusing mess.

[Eclipse_9990]

Who cares about their ranks. My Shepard is still a Spectre.

[xtorma]

Shepard is bad ass first class....i am sure thats in the rank structure somewhere.

[Callsign_Jester]

DeadPoolMK wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

CerberusSoldier wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

Genraku wrote...

I was under the impression that Shepherd was always a full commander, since hew as slated to be the XO of the SR1 Normandy under Anderson at the beginning of Me1,granted there isn't anything preventing a LT. Commander from being XO.

Commander isn't an actual rank in the Alliance military.  There are Lieutenant and Staff Commanders but there isn't a straight up Commander.  Shepard's referred to as Commander because 1 it sounds better and 2 the Lieutenant and Staff are really only necessary for clarification.  If you were addressing both a Lieutenant and Staff Commander and weren't familliar with their names, or simply chose not to use them, you'd specify but if it were a Staff Commander and a Corporal or Lieutenant the clarification is unnecessary.

   


Its stupid and ilogical but hey since Bioware has no idea on how to do the chain of Command right than I as a player have no desire or interest in following the orders of the fake ass military known as the alliance in 3 . well the ranks are wrong and a complete and utter joke .

 
Ok I've seen this before and I have to ask; how does Bioware get a chain of command they made up wrong?  I understand how it could be jarring to those with knowledge of the military but the simple fact is that the Systems Alliance is not any existing military organization; it's a collaborative effort between muiltiple nations, each of which has it's own rank structure.  With that in mind is it really surprising that the Alliance doesn't use a rank structrure you're familliar with?

I don't think the real issue is whether or not BioWare is wrong (like you said, they created the ME universe, so they can make whatever they want), but rather so very inconsistant. 

Shepard is supposed to be a Lieutenant Commander, yet everyone refers to him as Commander.  However, there's no plain Commander rank, just Lieutenant Commander and Staff Commander (both of which could be shortened to Commander in conversation).  It's made even more confusing in the character creator where it lists Shepard's rank as CDR -- no L or S in front of it. 

Finally, there's Ashley and Kaidan.  If Kaidan was the VS, Anderson distinctly refers to him as "Staff Commander Alenko" in ME2.  Likewise, if Ashley is the VS, you'll hear him call her "Lieutenant Commander Williams" several times in ME3.

I'd just like BioWare to keep consistant.  If they're going to make up ranks, then don't let your writers turn it into a confusing mess.

That, in a nutshell. 

They can make up whatever rank structure they want, it is after all, their game. BUT lets just keep it consistant no matter how off the wall it may seem to some (myself included).

[Foxtrot_212]

Personally I think Shepard's Promotion was still in the processing stage after the battle of the Citadel. I mean it was what, two months after the battle that he died? Who's to say they sent the Normandy out for a final few missions against the Geth before recalling?

[limpan21]

One thing i dont get is the inconsistency on the uniforms, in ME1 "captain" anderson is wearing 3 golden stripes on his uniform, while rear admiral Kahoku (quest giver in the citadel council area) only have 1 gold stripe and admiral hacket has 4 gold stripes.

So unless im missing something "Captain Anderson" is already a full Admiral in ME1, furthermore shouldnt a Rear Admiral/General have 2 stripes (with Captain/Major beeing 1 gold stripe?) Otherwise theres a gap in the whole stripe buissness as there is only 3 ranks with the "admiral" affix (rear admiral >admiral >fleet admiral) and as Rear admiral Kahuku only have 1 gold stripe there shouldnt be any 4 stripe admirals at all in the game (unless theres a secret 3 stripe rank)

Btw Shephard has 3 silver stripes which puts him in the right place in the whole "stripe on the shoulder's" rank system (if 2nd lieutenants dont get stripes at all and if 1 gold stripe is Captain/Major meaning Kahuku was wearing someone elses uniform, possibly it got mixed up at the dry cleaners)

Still in all official wording in the game (orders to cmd Shephard from Hacket, how Shephard himself present himself to alliance soliders and allies etc etc) Shephard never ever uses Lieutenant Commander Shephard.

I personally think they dusted off the old rank of full commander after Shephard saved the citadel and promoted him "offscreen" before he got blitzed by the collectors, i mean otherwise its just massive gaps all over the place in the story and in how Shephard is presented/presents himself.

Modifié par limpan21, 16 janvier 2013 - 09:33 .

[Lyncoln-Ap]

 Concerning the messed ranks depiction take a look at this: http://social.biowar...8689/2#15443336
Concerning Shepard's rank, it is very unlikely that he didn't get a promotion after the battle of the citadel. This and the fact that he was never referred as Lieutenant Commander after Mass Effect 1, and the other Lieutenant-Commanders (Ashley and James) were sometimes referred both as "Lieutenant" and "Lieutenant-Commander", I am pretty sure Shepard is a Staff Commander by the time of Mass Effect 3. Bioware just forgot to state explicitly it anywhere.

Modifié par Lyncoln-Ap, 19 janvier 2013 - 10:13 .

[FlyinSquirrel]

In all honesty, i'd say that what screwed shepard over is his death. That would be enough of an explanation to quell my curiosity, but kudos on your observation for sure.

Modifié par FlyinSquirrel, 22 janvier 2013 - 01:51 .

[jasperrdm1]

So this whole thread is Bioware did no use the USA military ranks, and did not have a good QA person to go over their fake ranks to point out the problem? Or am I missing something?